CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #3

[mtnlites]

... I'm talking about **getting ready** for locks... how do you get ready?


IMO

There are quite a few things you're meant to do to prepare your scalp and hair for locks: don't use conditioner for 2 weeks before application, trim split ends, slowly stop washing your hair so that it "trains" your hair to accept fewer washings in the future, use a shampoo that is residue free, use only natural or organic products on your hair in the weeks prior to getting the locks, etc.

 

[Starkville]

I think that all families are quirky, but the longer I live, the more I see how pervasive some form of abuse is (and was) in families that I have heard about. For mine, it was psychological abuse by an alcoholic father. So, as much as we tried, as adults, to get past it, we were all permanently affected by the sadness and regret of the family dysfunction. And we could all be as snide and mean as he was. I wish that when people decide to have a family, they would think long and hard about what that really means and how fragile and unique each individual's happiness and well being are. And what a responsibility it is, to see to the needs of everyone involved. JMO

You’re right. I think every family has some sort of dysfunction, some flaw. I joke with my mom friends that no matter how we try, we’re going to f*ck something up and damage our kids in some way. My parents messed up some things and I’m a wee bit damaged. It’s okay, I’m well and whole and have never doubted we were loved immensely, but there are still some little scars.

And when I hear or read about families like the Turpins or Harts or even remember some of my friends’ parents, I realize it’s all relative.

 

[Sleuth99]

There are quite a few things you're meant to do to prepare your scalp and hair for locks: don't use conditioner for 2 weeks before application, trim split ends, slowly stop washing your hair so that it "trains" your hair to accept fewer washings in the future, use a shampoo that is residue free, use only natural or organic products on your hair in the weeks prior to getting the locks, etc.

Thanks... the phrasing got me intrigued. Appreciate this [emoji1476]


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[11223344]

He would have been 7 in 2006.

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You are right. I keep mixing up my dates. I subtracted the years. Lol. But, maybe he remembers? At least real birthdates

 

[Whiteorchids]

Remind me: Which was the photographer, Jen or Sarah?

Also, I grew up with all kinds of animals, including chickens. Is there some technique for house training a chicken that I have never heard of? The ones I was around pretty much poop at will. The only time we ever had them in the house was when there were young chicks or biddies as we called them. They were kept in a large cardboard tp box and the paper had to changed daily. Ugh, the smell, though... This was just until they were big enough to go to the outdoor coop.

It was Jen she had an expensive set up

 

[jiminy]

Ya see!! Sierra had a lot of "bandanas" on in many pictures and that stood out to me immediately. That's why I was wondering did she and WHO did her hair. Wee see Jeremiah and Devonte cut each other's hair but I don't see anyone working on Sierra's hair and I knew the scarf was not a style. [emoji849] sticks out very much because loving and healthy minded mothers keep their children's hair looking good or find someone else (let someone else) do it if they can't (an aunt, friend, other parent, etc). It's very striking and the Black community will immediately take notice if it's a Black girl cause we don't do matted hair as a sign of love.


IMO

Yes - and it's not like YouTube is short of hair tutorials and care tips if you don't have anyone to ask.

Edit: Gah, I'm miles behind. That's what happens when you get distracted between thinking something and hitting enter!

 

[LonelyChild]

What I am about to say I have to admit today was the first time I considered maybe this possibility.* Does anyone think maybe sexual abuse or incest was going on and maybe the mothers just found out about it? Or maybe one of the mothers was sexually abusing one of the kids and the other mother found out and it caused a fight? Idk my minds all over the plsce tbh. The possibility of what led up to this we will never tho this is just me trying to comprehend why anyone would do this but I often have to remind myself I'm not a murder or killer so I wouldn't wver be able to comprehend their thoughts anyway.

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[Whiteorchids]

Here’s an article posted a few hours ago with a little more info.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...v-plunged-off-a-cliff/?utm_term=.0e23b50b21e7

 

[justchrissy47]

Um, a chicken on the head while eating waffles.

Have to wonder how many bird droppings took place during this photo shoot.

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IMO....totally posed. The only cutlery they have is the forks in their hands. No knives to cut the waffles?

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[Sleuth99]

What I am about to say I have to admit today was the first time I considered maybe this possibility.* Does anyone think maybe sexual abuse or incest was going on and maybe the mothers just found out about it? Or maybe one of the mothers was sexually abusing one of the kids and the other mother found out and it caused a fight? Idk my minds all over the plsce tbh. The possibility of what led up to this we will never tho this is just me trying to comprehend why anyone would do this but I often have to remind myself I'm not a murder or killer so I wouldn't wver be able to comprehend their thoughts anyway.

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I think that falls under not being victim-friendly for the children so I think it's best not to explore that until we find something that indicates such.


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[DatelineFan]

No but it was mentioned that they had food issues before adoption, so maybe their control stemmed from wanting to control that. Who knows.

Mentioned by whom?

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[bluesneakers]

Mentioned by whom?

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By the moms. Maybe it's true or maybe it's the perfect cover story.

 

[LonelyChild]

I think that falls under not being victim-friendly for the children so I think it's best not to explore that until we find something that indicates such.


IMO

Ok I didnt realize that wasnt allowed. Sorry like I said just trying to come up with why this happened but its most likely just that the moms were afraid cause cps came knocking yet again. I just dont know why if cps had been involved so many times before why this time the moms felt more threatend? They had to have been hiding more than just devonte asking for food and hannah going there in the middle of the night. That was all I meant by that.

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[LonelyChild]

Mentioned by whom?

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I think the moms were the ones who said that. At this point tho idk how much of what the moms said was true. They seemed to lie alot.

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[katydid23]

The wine glasses and martini glasses don't bother me, maybe because my kids used to love to drink out of them. We used to buy that sparkling apple juice in a champagne bottle for celebrations---graduations etc. They loved to drink it out of wine glasses. My daughter took a selfie and posted it, so of course a few parents were asking if I was give our 14 yr old champagne at the party. lol I felt like saying Yes, why not, just for the lulz.

I do see how the staged photos, like the chicken and waffles, can be very fun and creative. But i tis hard to look at the pix, and not think of the accusations of forced starvation, and driving off cliffs.

 

[11223344]

Wasn’t it mentioned that *Jen and Sarah claimed* they had food issues before adoption?

So I wrote a long post on this and I think I deleted it. But I'll just say that on reports of where they came from, they went hungry possibly born addicted, parents addicts, some molested, around guns, Devonte having "drank alcohol by age of 4" in article about travon martin- this all according to Jen.
With that background, the last thing you do is withhold food, love, affection, or attention. Ever. Or shame them, grab them, hurt them. Not only RAD but PTSD. And all of them needed to be in special services, medically, psychologically, behaviorally, occupationally, and as a family. Why child services wasn't called again when children were pulled? Why family was not followed to make sure services were implemented especially the amount of children in that home, turned the case over to Minnesota from Texas. Why these women from the start refused any services? Because there were already issues there. They were already hurting the first three before getting the other three, already overwhelmed, could have stopped process, could have asked for help right then. These kids needed and deserved so much more.
Nor specifically, do you inappropriately take pics of your kids in their underwear drinking out of wine glasses.

 

[Silver~Bell]

I know I’ve seen reference to the kids having special needs or disabilities. I don’t have a source right now but I know I read it somewhere. I did not see any specifics though. I’m just speculating. IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

In this article, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...art-family-that-plunged-off-california-cliff/ some people (including West Linn neighbor) are quoted as saying the moms (not that I trust them) said some of the kids were "drug babies" and so forth.

This article also has an anonymous former friend say she saw SARAH hurt one of the girls right in front of her. I was surprised to see an article with anything negative in it from the Seattle Times. I hope it is okay to mention the article and put in the link.

 

[Whiteorchids]

The wine glasses and martini glasses don't bother me, maybe because my kids used to love to drink out of them. We used to buy that sparkling apple juice in a champagne bottle for celebrations---graduations etc. They loved to drink it out of wine glasses. My daughter took a selfie and posted it, so of course a few parents were asking if I was give our 14 yr old champagne at the party. lol I felt like saying Yes, why not, just for the lulz.

I do see how the staged photos, like the chicken and waffles, can be very fun and creative. But i tis hard to look at the pix, and not think of the accusations of forced starvation, and driving off cliffs.

Agreed and also if the chickens happened to poop on the waffles and if they did picked it out of the waffles certainly they wouldn’t be allowed to eat it.

 

[Whiteorchids]

In this article, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...art-family-that-plunged-off-california-cliff/ some people (including West Linn neighbor) are quoted as saying the moms (not that I trust them) said some of the kids were "drug babies" and so forth.

This article also has an anonymous former friend say she saw SARAH hurt one of the girls right in front of her. I was surprised to see an article with anything negative in it from the Seattle Times. I hope it is okay to mention the article and put in the link.

Wow best informative article I have read so far. Thank you for posting. Here’s a clip of the last paragraph of the article.

Beginning on March 15, Devonte began to come over each day asking for food. At first he asked for tortillas, which they gave to him along with some energy bars.

He began to ask for more as the days carried on, they said. He wanted six packages of tortillas and peanut butter, along with cured meats.

“It had to be nonperishable,” Dana said. “I started to get the feeling they were going to run away.”

Gradually, Devonte began to open up about his home life, Dana said.

He told them his moms were withholding food as punishment, sometimes for days at a time. Hannah had been truthful with the DeKalbs in August about abuse, he told them.

He implored the DeKalbs not to talk to his moms or call the police because he feared the siblings would be separated. The DeKalbs wondered if they were being manipulated by a teenager, or if there was, indeed, abuse, Dana said.

A few days later, Devonte asked Dana to leave food in a box at the fence line separating the families’ properties. The DeKalbs thought he could no longer risk coming over.

On Friday, March 23, Dana DeKalb called Child Protective Services at about 10 a.m. An agency official visited the Hart home later that day, arriving just minutes after Jen had pulled into the family’s driveway in the SUV, Dana said.

The door apparently went unanswered. After a few minutes, the CPS official left, Dana said.

About half an hour later, Dana saw Sarah’s car scream up their gravel driveway.

The next morning, a cinder-block wall near their garage had been knocked over. The Harts’ SUV was gone.

 

[human]

So, in one of the articles it talked about them volunteering at a farm and a food co-op thing. It's quite possible some of the photos are from other places and not in their yard at all. #19, #22

I was curious about the types of glasses used in the pics as well. Could be thought of as funny I guess, in pic #73 it threw me off that 2 boys that age would be on back deck in underwear and getting pictures taken. Why wouldn't they be in shorts? It's off. As well as the wine glasses.
The other thing was the distension of the stomach of I think it was Jeremiah and the thinness of Devonte. I may have them switched, one has face in a book, other sunglasses on.

In pic #50 Devonte has "We all matter" written on his forehead. I don't want to start a race debate here, but treading carefully...as a black male teenager being raised by white women, I question the women's knowledge or acceptance of racial disparity in society, and what was up with that.

Good point re the “ we all matter” as this has been discussed and they should know what it means.

The underwear is bizarre. What is the fixation with underwear? Kids develop modesty at a certain age. I forget what it is. And the alcohol glasses. What is the point of that?