GUILTY CA - Jessica Funk-Haslam, 13, found murdered, Rosemont, 6 March 2012

[gngr~snap]

I have been scratching my head about that one too! Usually, the comment sections of the articles would be filled up from fellow students and their parents.

What gives?

No one wants to get involved...
no one wants to be Kronked?

OR no one has heard ANYTHING because this is
intra-familial???...

If it was "mean girls" it would have been leaked by
some pre-teen IMO How does a group of bloodied girls show up at home and no one notice? Red flag
Preteens would brag about it. They also would not have taken the "weapons with them for fear of getting caught with them. IMO

An RSO would have raped her. BUT if a condom was used and it wasn't rough how would the ME know for sure? (it all started nice and got ugly)

No rape points to FEMALE adult based on the facts. IMO
Not necessarily the mother.

Mom not suspected due to physical ailments. Could they be embellished while in public? Could her limp have been exaggerated because she WAS the perpetrator and pulled something, or got injured from a "fight" ?

Could a fight between mom and daughter have turned sour?
Is it possible that it was self defense on the mother's part and staged to
look like it was done by more than one "girl"?

Why would mom immediately go to "girls did this"? Red flag IMO
She would have HAD to have KNOWN there was no male/rape
involved in her death.

If my daughter goes missing and turns up dead NO WAY
I'd automatically go to "girls did it" I'm gonna be thinking
I have to find the GUY that did this.

Did mom have a new boyfriend?
Did Jessica meet her dad at the park after the fight with mom to "talk"?
Did daddy flip out on her?

I don't get why the child's cell was left at home. red flag IMO :banghead:

 

[katydid23]

No one wants to get involved...
no one wants to be Kronked?

OR no one has heard ANYTHING because this is
intra-familial???...

If it was "mean girls" it would have been leaked by
some pre-teen IMO How does a group of bloodied girls show up at home and no one notice? Red flag
Preteens would brag about it. They also would not have taken the "weapons with them for fear of getting caught with them. IMO

An RSO would have raped her. BUT if a condom was used and it wasn't rough how would the ME know for sure? (it all started nice and got ugly)

No rape points to FEMALE adult based on the facts. IMO
Not necessarily the mother.

Mom not suspected due to physical ailments. Could they be embellished while in public? Could her limp have been exaggerated because she WAS the perpetrator and pulled something, or got injured from a "fight" ?

Could a fight between mom and daughter have turned sour?
Is it possible that it was self defense on the mother's part and staged to
look like it was done by more than one "girl"?

Why would mom immediately go to "girls did this"? Red flag IMO
She would have HAD to have KNOWN there was no male/rape
involved in her death.

If my daughter goes missing and turns up dead NO WAY
I'd automatically go to "girls did it" I'm gonna be thinking
I have to find the GUY that did this.

Did mom have a new boyfriend?
Did Jessica meet her dad at the park after the fight with mom to "talk"?
Did daddy flip out on her?

I don't get why the child's cell was left at home. red flag IMO :banghead:

I read in the comments [ posted way upthread] that she had left her cell phone at her dad's and that is why she hadn't taken it with her.
I cannot confirm if it is true of course.
They also said that mom has MS, and that is why she limps.

 

[gngr~snap]

I read in the comments [ posted way upthread] that she had left her cell phone at her dad's and that is why she hadn't taken it with her.
I cannot confirm if it is true of course.
They also said that mom has MS, and that is why she limps.

I am not "after" the mom, but MS waxes and wanes. There are good days and bad ones. A good amount of adrenaline can really get someone moving. If she wasn't wheelchair bound and didn't use a walker or braces she was not THAT bad off, still capable of subduing her child. (may have had help)

What about grandma? Have we heard about her? maybe she was fed up with her granddaughter treating her ailing daughter poorly?

Clearly the "family" had problems with Jessica. ~ or Jessica had problems with them...
moo

 

[Traceyrita]

^ she left her phone at dads that weekend, he brought it to her on Mon per that comment on the sac bee article. I have an issue with 'the person who knows the family' comment because she mentioned the mom not being able to be involved in funeral arrangements when I know personally that mom met with a funeral director about her arrangements so that part for sure is embellished. Anyway, you are correct that if she left phone at dads, she wasn't as attached to is as we all label 13 year olds to be.

 

[Traceyrita]

Also, not MS but a leg injury from birth is what I saw our lovely inside family friend quoted as saying in the article.

 

[katydid23]

I am not "after" the mom, but MS waxes and wanes. There are good days and bad ones. A good amount of adrenaline can really get someone moving. If she wasn't wheelchair bound and didn't use a walker or braces she was not THAT bad off, still capable of subduing her child. (may have had help)

What about grandma? Have we heard about her? maybe she was fed up with her granddaughter treating her ailing daughter poorly?

Clearly the "family" had problems with Jessica. ~ or Jessica had problems with them...
moo

I agree. I do see some redflags there. And if their 13 yr old came home with some hickeys, both mom and grandma may have been angry at her. Especially after the intense situation with the previous abuse and all of that.
They might have wanted her to stay away from boys.

 

[jjenny]

I agree. I do see some redflags there. And if their 13 yr old came home with some hickeys, both mom and grandma may have been angry at her. Especially after the intense situation with the previous abuse and all of that.
They might have wanted her to stay away from boys.

A 13 year old coming home with hickeys would upset many parents/grandparents.

 

[gngr~snap]

A 13 year old coming home with hickeys would upset many parents/grandparents.

IMO hickeys are given (at that age to prove something)
probably to the mother, maybe to another boy. A hickey is purposeful
and unnecessary. ~ yeah I've had em... can't say I wore them proudly though.
It may just be me but IMO it says I had sex with so n so.

 

[LinasK]

Okay, Bradshaw Rd and Lincloln Village is the place your speaking of, and yes I agree, that is an area that is the hood, or close to it. I live on the OTHER side of Hwy 50, so I guess when you mentioned Bradshaw as being a bad place I took it personal.
LV has always been a place for thugs to thrive

Yeah, that'd be the side. According to your map, HoJo's was in the Corporate Plaza, and IIRC, they lived South of the business park.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

No one wants to get involved...
no one wants to be Kronked?

OR no one has heard ANYTHING because this is
intra-familial???...

If it was "mean girls" it would have been leaked by
some pre-teen IMO How does a group of bloodied girls show up at home and no one notice? Red flag
Preteens would brag about it. They also would not have taken the "weapons with them for fear of getting caught with them. IMO

An RSO would have raped her. BUT if a condom was used and it wasn't rough how would the ME know for sure? (it all started nice and got ugly)

No rape points to FEMALE adult based on the facts. IMO
Not necessarily the mother.

Mom not suspected due to physical ailments. Could they be embellished while in public? Could her limp have been exaggerated because she WAS the perpetrator and pulled something, or got injured from a "fight" ?

Could a fight between mom and daughter have turned sour?
Is it possible that it was self defense on the mother's part and staged to
look like it was done by more than one "girl"?

Why would mom immediately go to "girls did this"? Red flag IMO
She would have HAD to have KNOWN there was no male/rape
involved in her death.

If my daughter goes missing and turns up dead NO WAY
I'd automatically go to "girls did it" I'm gonna be thinking
I have to find the GUY that did this.

Did mom have a new boyfriend?
Did Jessica meet her dad at the park after the fight with mom to "talk"?
Did daddy flip out on her?

I don't get why the child's cell was left at home. red flag IMO :banghead:

Wow! Great set of questions to keep my mind going, Gngr!
The automatic response of mom's: "girls did it" is something to think about. Maybe mom is aware that Jessica had been bullied. And maybe that is why there are not many comments in the section under the articles.
ETA: Girls are afraid to "snitch" on others, and/or feel guilty if they had been involved in previous bullying, yet not in the murder. Maybe there can be a lot of finger pointing in the school community! No one wants to publicly admit they bullied a girl that is now deceased.

 

[gngr~snap]

Wow! Great set of questions to keep my mind going, Gngr!
The automatic response of mom's: "girls did it" is something to think about. Maybe mom is aware that Jessica had been bullied. And maybe that is why there are not many comments in the section under the articles.
ETA: Girls are afraid to "snitch" on others, and/or feel guilty if they had been involved in previous bullying, yet not in the murder. Maybe there can be a lot of finger pointing in the school community! No one wants to publicly admit they bullied a girl that is now deceased.

I dunno... with a group of girls there ALWAYS seems to be a snitch. The one girl that is trying to be someone she's not. IMO guys that age hold stuff closer to the vest. If we were talking about 18 yr old girls I would not feel the same. But early teens? Run their mouths... And at the very least something of that magnitude would cause strife within the "group". Someone is scared they are next. More unrest will ensue... someone will blow up, report being threatened... MAYBE I am outta the loop but in my experience the gossip gene will persevere!
moo

 

[katydid23]

I dunno... with a group of girls there ALWAYS seems to be a snitch. The one girl that is trying to be someone she's not. IMO guys that age hold stuff closer to the vest. If we were talking about 18 yr old girls I would not feel the same. But early teens? Run their mouths... And at the very least something of that magnitude would cause strife within the "group". Someone is scared they are next. More unrest will ensue... someone will blow up, report being threatened... MAYBE I am outta the loop but in my experience the gossip gene will persevere!
moo

There were some comments saying that LE has gone to the high school and taken some DNA from some students. So maybe there are some people talking already.

I used to work in a middle school, and I totally agree about girls that age runnin their mouths. But when something really really serious happens, then they can shut down. I have seen it. We had a girl nearly die , but she recovered, thank goodness. But she took what she thought was a regular brownie but it had chocolate exlax and pot in it. She got so dehydrated and so sick. And she didnt ask for help and got really ill. And NONE of the girls would admit who made them and who gave them to her.

 

[mrsu]

Interesting about the timeline proposed. Finally a bit more information! If they think she was killed around 8-9 pm, that is quite a tight timeline. Possibly 2 hours from the time she left the house to when she was murdered? How does she have time to go all over on the transit system end up at the park, hang out for awhile and dead by 8pm. That would be taking a huge chance IMO...people could still be out running, and certainly driving around at that time?

I think the video is just as others said. Looks to be someone skate boarding. I'm curious to know more about the group of teens that was seen entering the park around 6:30pm as it's likely that Jessica was there at that time. Surely they would have seen her if it was a popular hangout. I believe they said they had video from the school of these teens? They were careful to say they were not suspects. If they haven't spoken to these teens, why wouldn't this video be released as well? If they have evidence of these teens arriving to the park, do they also have video of them leaving? After knowing what has happened to Jessica, why wouldn't this group of teens have come forward by now??

I'm not ruling out a possible group of girls yet.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am not "after" the mom, but MS waxes and wanes. There are good days and bad ones. A good amount of adrenaline can really get someone moving. If she wasn't wheelchair bound and didn't use a walker or braces she was not THAT bad off, still capable of subduing her child. (may have had help)

What about grandma? Have we heard about her? maybe she was fed up with her granddaughter treating her ailing daughter poorly?

Clearly the "family" had problems with Jessica. ~ or Jessica had problems with them...
moo

JMO - MS doesn't always come and go... Progressive MS is just that, Progressive. Though Progressive MS is more common in men than women.
I do have an Aunt with Secondary Progressive MS. Started out Relapsing/Remitting and went to Progressive.

Even if your MS is RR... Certain symptoms you have with your MS, don't always go away.
I lost feeling in the outside of my right thigh during a "relapse" a few years ago and it's never come back.
I could get a shot there and never feel it. I have ripped pants and cut myself there, without feeling it. It is 100% numb down to my knee. :waitasec:

I am definitely "not bad off." You couldn't tell I have MS unless I am having a REALLY bad day and then you won't see me out of the house.
However, I have a lot of weakness in my arms. My balance is a source of great humor around here... I have NONE. :waitasec:
I have a difficult time subduing an 8 year old when I absolutely have to do it. I doubt I could subdue a teen... and I'm in good physical shape.

Also, while it's true adrenaline can get someone going... it's also true that for a lot of people, (not me) stress can make their MS worse. :twocents:

JMO. :seeya:

 

[katydid23]

JMO - MS doesn't always come and go... Progressive MS is just that, Progressive. Though Progressive MS is more common in men than women.
I do have an Aunt with Secondary Progressive MS. Started out Relapsing/Remitting and went to Progressive.

Even if your MS is RR... Certain symptoms you have with your MS, don't always go away.
I lost feeling in the outside of my right thigh during a "relapse" a few years ago and it's never come back.
I could get a shot there and never feel it. I have ripped pants and cut myself there, without feeling it. It is 100% numb down to my knee. :waitasec:

I am definitely "not bad off." You couldn't tell I have MS unless I am having a REALLY bad day and then you won't see me out of the house.
However, I have a lot of weakness in my arms. My balance is a source of great humor around here... I have NONE. :waitasec:
I have a difficult time subduing an 8 year old when I absolutely have to do it. I doubt I could subdue a teen... and I'm in good physical shape.

Also, while it's true adrenaline can get someone going... it's also true that for a lot of people, (not me) stress can make their MS worse. :twocents:

JMO. :seeya:

When you read the list of injuries on the poor girl, it is hard for me to believe that a frail woman with MS, who is also legally blind, could have managed them. Nor do I believe she had any motive. Even if she did fight with her girl, it was only because she wanted her to 'stay safe.' She didn't want her out running around at night. So how would choking and stabbing her make any sense?

It really sounds more like a group of girls as the perps, imo. I think boys would have done something more sexual in the attack.

 

[MsFacetious]

When you read the list of injuries on the poor girl, it is hard for me to believe that a frail woman with MS, who is also legally blind, could have managed them. Nor do I believe she had any motive. Even if she did fight with her girl, it was only because she wanted her to 'stay safe.' She didn't want her out running around at night. So how would choking and stabbing her make any sense?

It really sounds more like a group of girls as the perps, imo. I think boys would have done something more sexual in the attack.

Like I said... Elizabeth Olten was both strangled and stabbed by one teen girl to see "what it felt like."

Shanda Sharer was horrendously murdered by 4 teen girls...
Beaten, stabbed, strangled... still alive in the trunk.
Then stabbed again.
Then hit with a tire iron several different times.
She still wasn't dead and it had been hours. Still in the trunk.

They finally just had to light her on fire and burn her alive.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/shanda_sharer/5.html

This is very consistent with inexperienced killers... likely teens and likely girls. The fact that they haven't talked, is odd yes.
The only mothers murdering their kids like this I can think of are the mother/boyfriend cases. Ethan Stacy for example.

 

[debirlfan]

Dumb question - are we sure the hickeys came from a boy? What I'm thinking - could they have been self-inflicted (faked, in other words)? If she was unpopular/being bullied, might she have faked the hickeys in a "ha ha, see what your boyfriend did to me" move that backfired?

Still convinced this was one or more angry girls - too up close and personal to be anything else.

 

[jjenny]

Th e "hickey" idea comes from a commenter who claimed to know the family and that father allowed her to have a boy over that gave her hickey, so if that commenter is to be believed, hickeys came from a boy.

 

[MONKEYMANN_916]

There are way too many red flags that go up, but only when mentioning mama's actions, not really on anything else, besides her leaving her phone at home....BUT, WHAT IF SHE NEVER LEFT LIKE MAMA SAID SHE DID.
Do they have evidence that she actually did get on the RT light rail and transfer to a bus? Because that in itself is a time consuming thing...

No one wants to get involved...
no one wants to be Kronked?

OR no one has heard ANYTHING because this is
intra-familial???...

If it was "mean girls" it would have been leaked by
some pre-teen IMO How does a group of bloodied girls show up at home and no one notice? Red flag
Preteens would brag about it. They also would not have taken the "weapons with them for fear of getting caught with them. IMO

An RSO would have raped her. BUT if a condom was used and it wasn't rough how would the ME know for sure? (it all started nice and got ugly)

No rape points to FEMALE adult based on the facts. IMO
Not necessarily the mother.

Mom not suspected due to physical ailments. Could they be embellished while in public? Could her limp have been exaggerated because she WAS the perpetrator and pulled something, or got injured from a "fight" ?

Could a fight between mom and daughter have turned sour?
Is it possible that it was self defense on the mother's part and staged to
look like it was done by more than one "girl"?

YES

Why would mom immediately go to "girls did this"? Red flag IMO
She would have HAD to have KNOWN there was no male/rape
involved in her death.

BIG HUGE RED FLAG, This was also the day she was found!! How could she have KNOWN that, and so soon?? HUGE RED FLAG


If my daughter goes missing and turns up dead NO WAY
I'd automatically go to "girls did it" I'm gonna be thinking
I have to find the GUY that did this.

Your opinion, which I would be also, but that it not facts

Did mom have a new boyfriend?
Did Jessica meet her dad at the park after the fight with mom to "talk"?
Did daddy flip out on her?

I don't get why the child's cell was left at home. red flag IMO :banghead:

 

[MONKEYMANN_916]

Dumb question - are we sure the hickeys came from a boy? What I'm thinking - could they have been self-inflicted (faked, in other words)? If she was unpopular/being bullied, might she have faked the hickeys in a "ha ha, see what your boyfriend did to me" move that backfired?

Still convinced this was one or more angry girls - too up close and personal to be anything else.

HHHHmmmmmm, maybe a family member, who's years of struggling to control and reign in a daughter who is motivated to push every button, finally snaps in a moment of anger and does something they regret. We as human beings gain much adrenaline and can overcome personal limitations in the state of rage and/or competitive atmosphere.