CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[JMarsh]

It makes perfect sense as to why CM never had an alibi. If he had been gambling in a casino, any casino, there would be irrefutable proof on video that he was there. The casino knows when you wipe the wrong way. Cameras are literally everywhere. CM knew this to he true and hence why he never claimed to be at the casino. IMO

I think this might possibly be in the same vein as Juanita's somewhat questionable memory loss. Chase was on probation, and though his probation report doesn't appear to restrict gambling, Chase had a bench warrant out for him, for failure to appear, when Joey and family went missing. Chase might have lied to protect his probation status--not because he murdered anyone. It always tricky to explain how one lied in the past, but are telling the truth now.

Which is another issue in favor of Chase's innocence. While on probation there is no right to privacy. LE could have searched his vehicle (maybe not his home if the lease was in Cathy's name) without a warrant. Is he really going to be driving around with dead bodies under these circumstances?

 

[Longtimenoc]

I think it likely Joey arrived in Rancho Cucamonga at 12.52 pm expecting to visit Chase at his home, when his phone pinged off the tower near Chase's residence. He called Chase to say he was there and Chase invented an excuse which he then had to convey to Cathy in case Joey called her, and Chase told him he'd meet him at Chick-fil-A when he could get there.

I think Joey waited there and Chase didn't show up. Joey called him at 3 pm to tell him to come to the house later when he was done, which was Chase's plan anyway, to go there and murder them that day.

My earlier post here shows Chase's phone pings, the reason why I don't think he went to lunch, and the phone towers next to Starbucks.
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

Thanks so much for the crucial cell data.

 

[Recidivist]

And Joey looked at the Custom account and he spoke to his bank. He never cried foul, he never changed his passwords or put a stop payment on any checks.

No point in paying for a stop payment on a check that has already been cashed.

 

[missy1974]

There are literally cameras everywhere in every casino. As much as CM might have liked to claim he was there gambling even he was smart enough to know that it wouldn’t hold water.
See what I’ve done! I’ve actually given CM credit for not being a complete idiot.
He was not in a casino and he knows it;otherwise that would have been his alibi from day one. IMO

I know my local casino's well. I do not know the casino's where Chase frequented well. Texas Red does. Either take the info and apply it, or don't. Up to you.

No one is saying he was in a casino that day... *sigh*

 

[JMarsh]

No point in paying for a stop payment on a check that has already been cashed.

Actually you can put a stop payment on all future checks to that recipient. And you can certainly freeze accounts, change passwords and alert the bank to fraud.

 

[JMarsh]

I know my local casino's well. I do not know the casino's where Chase frequented well. Texas Red does. Either take the info and apply it, or don't. Up to you.

No one is saying he was in a casino that day... *sigh*

Play nice. Be fair. This is just a discussion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[JMarsh]

Naaa if they wanted to steal it, it could have been done easily after the McStay's disappeared, just like I feel that if Chase's end goal was to take over the company, he would have put more effort into that in those months after JMO

I have a feeling that Sequieda Sr. may have liked Chase, Jr. didn't... Sr. and Jr. seemed to have their own issues and didn't get along, this would have just been another thing where they didn't see eye to eye. Sequieda Sr. seemed to be more ticked that Joey wouldn't tell him the selling price of the fountains, thus, calling him a crook. JMO based off of Sequieda Jr.'s and Carmens testimony.

Well then you have just made an argument for both Chase and Dan being innocent.

 

[mom2chloe]

I think this might possibly be in the same vein as Juanita's somewhat questionable memory loss. Chase was on probation, and though his probation report doesn't appear to restrict gambling, Chase had a bench warrant out for him, for failure to appear, when Joey and family went missing. Chase might have lied to protect his probation status--not because he murdered anyone. Now, it would be tricky to explain how he lied then, but is telling the truth now.

Which is another issue in favor of Chase's innocence. While on probation there is no right to privacy. LE could have searched his vehicle (maybe not his home if the lease was in Cathy's name) without a warrant. Is he really going to be driving around with dead bodies under these circumstances?

What’s next? CM was playing poker near the disposal site, with the guy who his sister lived with but wasn’t in a relationship with as she only rented the property from him. Was he worried about a probation violation when he wouldn’t even show up for a court date. GMAB...

 

[Recidivist]

Actually you can put a stop payment on all future checks to that recipient. And you can certainly freeze accounts, change passwords and alert the bank to fraud.

My guess would be that Joey didn't want a fraud investigation opened against Chase at that time.

 

[mom2chloe]

Actually you can put a stop payment on all future checks to that recipient. And you can certainly freeze accounts, change passwords and alert the bank to fraud.

In hindsight JM most likely would have done these exact things. Much to his dismay he didn’t realize in a timely manner what a “pet sociopath” he had.

 

[missy1974]

Thanks so much for the crucial cell data.

The problem with the cell pings are... according to Boles, there are many factors that come into play. One of them being the height or altitude of the towers. There were other towers where not the nearest tower was hit... why? because of where the tower was located, height, etc. I really really wish we had the exhibits from the testimony from early in the week. I can only visualize so much LOL

I'm not talking just specifically about the one posted in Tortoises link, I'm talking about all of them in general!

 

[JMarsh]

What’s next? CM was playing poker near the disposal site, with the guy who his sister lived with but wasn’t in a relationship with as she only rented the property from him. Was he worried about a probation violation when he wouldn’t even show up for a court date. GMAB...

First of all those pings don't place Chase anywhere near the graves. Did you listen to the testimony? Chase was going back to court to straighten the probation violation out. He was claiming he was in the hospital all that time. Maybe he wasn't only in the hospital.

 

[katydid23]

I shouldn't speak for @Texas Red , but if I understand what is being said is... in the poker rooms, the surveillance is limited, and there would not really be a record of him being there. IF Chase was going to try to MAKE UP an alibi, lying and saying he was in a poker room would have done the trick.

Just my understanding of what was posted...

I am not convinced that poker rooms do not use surveillance cams. I have seen the opposite, in fact:

Long view of the Maryland Live poker room, via one of the casino’s pan-tilt-zoom surveillance cameras. Faces in the screencap have been blurred by casino officials to protect player identities. (Courtesy photo.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...atlantic-city-casinos/?utm_term=.fccdd74744f1

 

[Texas Red]

Well he had just cashed a cheque for $2495 on the 2nd.... and since some believe that every penny he cashed was spent in a casino... maybe he was on a lucky streak?

I was at the casino today..... woman beside me playing a slot said she lost her first $450 and had just taken out another $200

It's tough to beat the Indians the % hold on their slots is as high as 10% or more. Back when I lived in Nevada there were select video poker machines where the player had the advantage providing you knew the optimum strategy. What needs to be made clear here is the casino floor was not CM's scene from everything I've read indicates he was a poker player only which is completely different than playing the casino 'house games'.

 

[JMarsh]

In hindsight JM most likely would have done these exact things. Much to his dismay he didn’t realize in a timely manner what a “pet sociopath” he had.

OK. Link to this please. Where in any of the evidence does even the DA claim that this occurred? You can't just make things up-unless you qualify that you are doing so. As you have said, please back up any assertions with evidence that supports that assertion.

 

[Texas Red]

I shouldn't speak for @Texas Red , but if I understand what is being said is... in the poker rooms, the surveillance is limited, and there would not really be a record of him being there. IF Chase was going to try to MAKE UP an alibi, lying and saying he was in a poker room would have done the trick.

Just my understanding of what was posted...

Spot on.

 

[JMarsh]

The problem with the cell pings are... according to Boles, there are many factors that come into play. One of them being the height or altitude of the towers. There were other towers where not the nearest tower was hit... why? because of where the tower was located, height, etc. I really really wish we had the exhibits from the testimony from early in the week. I can only visualize so much LOL

I'm not talking just specifically about the one posted in Tortoises link, I'm talking about all of them in general!

Kevin Boles, in his testimony before the grand jury on the indictment of Robert Pape, claimed that he was in San Bernardino and pinged a tower 30 miles away in the Arrowhead mountains. He speculated that this was due to the altitude of the tower in Arrowhead. The towers in question, during the time period that Chase is believed to have been at the gravesite, are at a much higher altitude than the surrounding towns. If Boles is to be believed, Chase may have been as far as 30 miles from those towers when he pinged them.

 

[JMarsh]

My guess would be that Joey didn't want a fraud investigation opened against Chase at that time.

Yes. But you are guessing, and there is absolutely no evidence to support that guess.

 

[citygirl]

Well you said you thought he did this (firing his lawyers) so he could have the files... you are not the only one that has said that. I'm just wondering if there is a reason why he couldn't have them if he did have a lawyer?

I never said he fired his lawyers? Just commenting on when he chose to represent himself. Not even sure when this fits in the time frame? Just know that it happened. And JMO.

 

[katydid23]

I am not convinced that poker rooms do not use surveillance cams. I have seen the opposite, in fact:

Long view of the Maryland Live poker room, via one of the casino’s pan-tilt-zoom surveillance cameras. Faces in the screencap have been blurred by casino officials to protect player identities. (Courtesy photo.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...atlantic-city-casinos/?utm_term=.fccdd74744f1

But besides that disagreement, I still do not understand what the point is. Chase made a lot of inconsistent statements about where he was and what he was doing on those specified days. NONE of them included casinos.

And I do not see why that would indicate his innocence just because he didn't lie and say he was in a casino at the time. Seems like a stretch to me. JMO