CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

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  • #901
This is where I get lost. I get the back dating. But the deleting? Does this mean he cashed the check eventually but deleted it?

The way I understand, he had to enter the check information into the QB program in order to print the check. Once the check was printed, he then deleted it from the QB register, essentially making it appear those checks were never written.
 
  • #902
But is that by today's standards? Was this possible in 2010?
I'm thinking, he probably observed JM do it many times, as they were around each other so much.
 
  • #903
How in gods name do you bash 4 peoples heads in with a portable sledgehammer and get rid of all blood evidence so there isn't a trace that a murder occurred in the home where said murder occurred?
 
  • #904
I think he had the bodies stored somewhere in or near VV.

Jumping off of your post, but there were more before your's...

When would he have taken them there? That night?
 
  • #905
How in gods name do you bash 4 peoples heads in with a portable sledgehammer and get rid of all blood evidence so there isn't a trace that a murder occurred in the home where said murder occurred?
Good question. But what if he whacked them on the head to knock them out then took them elsewhere to finish the deal? Seems he was only there for an hour maybe?Enough to subdue them and take them elsewhere? Based on the sage posters here it doesn't seem to matter where it happened? Just that it happened.
 
  • #906
Re: the deleted VM.....apparently you can delete VM while in airplane mode. It is kind of leap for me to think CM put Joey's phone in airplane mode, then deleted the messages, but it is possible.

I do believe there was something incriminating on those VMs that prompted someone (i.e. the murderer/defendant) to delete those voicemails. I just don't know how he did it.

That's interesting and I have never read that before, do you have a link or something?

I have done a lot of reading about VM's, since the same happened in the Avery Case, VM's were deleted. In that case though, the brother of the victim admits to listening to her VM's, but didn't think he deleted any.
 
  • #907
Was Chase's car ever checked for blood evidence? The Trooper?

Bashing 4 people's heads in with a portable sledgehammer and (as State says) transport them from either the house to the gravesite or from the house to the border to the gravesite WITHOUT LEAVING A SINGLE TINY DROP OF BLOOD???

He's getting off. I would have a stroke if he was found guilty with zero evidence. If I was Chase; I would sue the State of California for false imprisonment. There was nothing proven in this case and no offense to everyone but everything bought up during the trial is in the archives of this website. They pretty much just summed up that out of all of the grifters involved Chase was the easiest to convict. Most likely the Sheriff wanted to get reappointed and felt like making a bust in that case would help his re-election?
 
  • #908
Jumping off of your post, but there were more before your's...

When would he have taken them there? That night?
I am thinking it must have been, Missy. MOO. He subdued them and took them elsewhere. Seems logical but what do I know?
 
  • #909
There is testimony that CM only called JM twice. Nothing about the duration of the calls. VM's are non-existent. IIRC, the defense didn't ask about call durations either. On that, I would also conclude CM never left a VM.

If you're not content with my conclusion, feel free to flag my post.

Can you tell me who's testimony that comes from? I'll look it up, but I am pretty sure it was more than that. IIRC I did see some on his records and they were just under a minute, I will say JMO until I can find them. You are correct though, his VM's are non-existent, but so were all VM's prior to the 15th or possibly the 19th (whenever the media first started reporting on it, no later than the 19th)
 
  • #910
Is it possible that the calls he made to Joey (the 9th was his last call) could have been him listening to Joey's voicemails and then deleting them?

I don't know what would show up on Chase's call records if he was dialling Joey's number and then pressing the hash key and entering a pin number.

I don't think the length of the call would have been long enough. After I catch up and have a coffee I will see if I can find them.
 
  • #911
Good question. But what if he whacked them on the head to knock them out then took them elsewhere to finish the deal? Seems he was only there for an hour maybe?Enough to subdue them and take them elsewhere? Based on the sage posters here it doesn't seem to matter where it happened? Just that it happened.

What is he James Bond? And even if he took them somewhere else to "finish the deal" I would assume the initial wacks to the human skull would leave at least trace amount's of blood that could be recovered forever..

Are you implying he perfectly "swung" at them and caught every single one of them off guard? Possible, but what about the whole "they wound up in a shallow grave in the desert and Joseph looked to be tortured before his death."

This guy must be the most tactical, stealthy, elite criminal I've ever seen. So I guess he woke them up after the first "Whacks" dragged them to the grave.. held Joseph while he raped the wife?

The State presented the worst prosecution in California history.
 
  • #912
This is where I get lost. I get the back dating. But the deleting? Does this mean he cashed the check eventually but deleted it?

Yes, I believe he cashed that cheque the next day.
 
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Was Chase's car ever checked for blood evidence? The Trooper?

Bashing 4 people's heads in with a portable sledgehammer and (as State says) transport them from either the house to the gravesite or from the house to the border to the gravesite WITHOUT LEAVING A SINGLE TINY DROP OF BLOOD???

He's getting off. I would have a stroke if he was found guilty with zero evidence. If I was Chase; I would sue the State of California for false imprisonment. There was nothing proven in this case and no offense to everyone but everything bought up during the trial is in the archives of this website. They pretty much just summed up that out of all of the grifters involved Chase was the easiest to convict. Most likely the Sheriff wanted to get reappointed and felt like making a bust in that case would help his re-election?
You could be right. But they were buried for 3 years? Little evidence in the graves. Just bones. What could possibly be left in a house that was sold and renovated? Doesn't make sense. Too much time had passed.
 
  • #915
This is where I get lost. I get the back dating. But the deleting? Does this mean he cashed the check eventually but deleted it?

Think of it as a cheque book.... he writes it into the chequebook ledger, writes the cheque (prints it from QB's), then goes back and erases the entry into the ledger.
 
  • #916
Was Chase's car ever checked for blood evidence? The Trooper?

Bashing 4 people's heads in with a portable sledgehammer and (as State says) transport them from either the house to the gravesite or from the house to the border to the gravesite WITHOUT LEAVING A SINGLE TINY DROP OF BLOOD???

He's getting off. I would have a stroke if he was found guilty with zero evidence. If I was Chase; I would sue the State of California for false imprisonment. There was nothing proven in this case and no offense to everyone but everything bought up during the trial is in the archives of this website. They pretty much just summed up that out of all of the grifters involved Chase was the easiest to convict. Most likely the Sheriff wanted to get reappointed and felt like making a bust in that case would help his re-election?

AFAIK they still have the Trooper? His truck was checked, but only after the bodies were found. No, no traces of blood. BUT it was 4 years later.

I do agree with the lack of evidence in the house seems to maybe indicate it didn't happen there. I have always thought they went out or were lured out somehow. jmo
 
  • #917
I am thinking it must have been, Missy. MOO. He subdued them and took them elsewhere. Seems logical but what do I know?

I'm thinking of taking the bodies to VV...

I do think that they were killed elsewhere though. I just don't know where! And I can't figure out where the Trooper would have been for 4 days.
 
  • #918
The way I understand, he had to enter the check information into the QB program in order to print the check. Once the check was printed, he then deleted it from the QB register, essentially making it appear those checks were never written.

So...what’s the system of accounting where you write checks, cash them, and delete them from the register? Rather unconventional, I think? Makes it hard to do the electronic equivalent of balancing your checkbook?
 
  • #919
You could be right. But they were buried for 3 years? Little evidence in the graves. Just bones. What could possibly be left in a house that was sold and renovated? Doesn't make sense. Too much time had passed.
Kelsey Berreth was savagely murdered, by her psycho, girly-man, user boyfriend, with a baseball bat. His Rodeo Drama Queen girlfriend cleaned up almost all of the blood. LE didn't notice a thing, until her parents pointed some spots out, to them.
 
  • #920
So...what’s the system of accounting where you write checks, cash them, and delete them from the register? Rather unconventional, I think?
They’re not supposed to be deleted. That is Merritt’s special brand of accounting.
 
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