CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[citygirl]

Yeah. Like I said, he could've dropped it off the day before and went to TJ to bet on the Superbowl. I already mentioned that I parked there numerous times and never had anyone confront me. In my opinion, the security patrol was very lax. (I doubt that the owners would want to admit to the general public, in the event more people decided to use their lot, instead of paying for parking).

This is such a good point. Who knows when the car was parked there for sure? I always questioned that but didn't have a handle on the size of the parking lot. Sounded as though there were 2 areas patrolled by one person? And maybe they were parked in the more obvious area? Talk of feeling hoods to see if the motors were still warm. Was every parking attendant dedicated to doing the right thing? I wonder.

 

[Plumeria5]

Anyone else see the irony in the defense pointing a finger at DK, who just happens to be the person CM said he would murder when asked by LE?

If DK testifies and the defense points the finger at him, can they play that part of the
interview?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This whole angle of DK is such red herring! DK was a guy who fought with Joey over the website. It's such a common thing, this adversarial relationship between optimizer and client. DK seems to be rash at times, hence the "threat". However, I think even Joey didn't take it seriously -literally- since he "forgave" him. He just decided to get more control over his business and to buy DK out as a way of doing that.

The only things I can find that would have pointed to DK as a suspect were that "fight", and now there's a girlfriend who says he confessed. Yet, Joey still did work -for a long time- with him after the "fight", and there are girlfriends all over the place who have complaints about DK. Apparently, he wasn't very a very good boyfriend. In this context, the "confession" seems highly suspect.

CM is the only one for whom there is a long and connected narrative of history, relationship, disparaging comments, lies and changing of stories, omissions, pings, forged checks, DNA, bodies buried in his own stomping grounds, trucks on video looking an awful lot like his own, etc., etc., etc.

All of these things fit with Chase, not DK. Chase was known to have the physical fitness, the familiarity with the high desert, history of digging in the high desert, and with proven lack of major boundaries -a criminal. And, despite being a "very-involved father", apparently was terrible at supporting them, being there for them (how are you there for your family when in prison) etc. He smears his dead "best friend's" wife in public. An all around lousy guy.

The only thing I can say about DK is that he can be assured that, despite being the constant target of smears by the defense team, at least he doesn't have to worry about being convicted of murdering the McStay family.

Has DK ever had an interview where he disparaged Joey's wife, and their little children before or after they were all found murdered? Tia!

Every defense who picks the SODDI defense needs a scapegoat, and sadly DK is the target in this particular case.

Anybody will do as long as they can place blame on someone else, rather than the guilty one.

It's a ruse often used by defendants, and their DT.

Imo

 

[asyousay]

Is it really that difficult for you to admit the obvious? I believe that your bias is showing.

It’s a fact that Joey continued to work with DK.

Why on earth would I be biased as I don’t know anybody involved?

Joey employed questionable people but the evidence only points in one direction as much as you try and deny it.

Chase has a record spanning decades of ripping people off and doing the dirty.

 

[citygirl]

Also Michael I think the McStays bought their fab new house around Nov 09, whilst CM’s income reduced, his bank account was in dire straights and eventually closed.

JM at this time was giving more work and money to MSM then sent CM that email saying he owed 42k. That surely could have been the catalyst for theft, fraud and then eventually murder? JMO.

Keep in mind they had looked at an even cooler house in Temecula. It appeared it was a reach for them at the time but one can't help but think they may have gotten there if Chase wasn't such a liability. MOO.

 

[missy1974]

I thought I was following it. Sorry if I made the wrong inference.

The post was saying that Chase didn't have any way to buy supplies anymore because his account were closed and he had burned bridges with suppliers. So how is he going to get things needed to work

No problem, and yes you did make the wrong inference. I was clearly speaking about the change in October when they started working with MSM. The below post is what you responded to. I wasn't even talking about February. I was talking about what we could see in Joey's spreadsheets from October 2009 and previous, which @MichaelCorleone so graciously went back and grabbed a screenshot of.

They, or at least Joey, changed how he did things in October 2009 with the custom orders. Joey still made 35%, Chase made 65% minus what was paid to MSM. Feel free to ignore it, but it sure gives some clarity to exactly how Chase and MSM were being paid and how it was determined. IMO.

Thanks!

Ok... So, once they went into business with MSM, Chase was making 65% minus what was paid to MSM. Previous to MSM, the one's that I did the math on were pretty close to the 65% if not exact, but previous to MSM. So it was coming out of Chase's cut, but not being paid by Chase directly (probably because of his money issues). Of course, we learned during the Accountants testimony what he deemed Chase's expeneses... but we also heard that there were cheques that he was not given to look at.

This is what I was able to see on that screenshot:

Project is $3100 (65% is $2015) Chase gets $504 MSM $1511 = $2015
Project is $5275 (65% is $3428) Chase gets $858 MSM $2572 = $3430
Project is $4475 (65% is $2908) Chase gets $728 MSM $2181 = $2909
Project is $7200 (65% is $4608) Chase gets $1080 MSM $3600 = $4680

Those were from Oct 2-20th. So, just for those 4 projects Chase was paid $3170. But Chase shouldn't have had any expenses since at that time MSM was doing the fabricating? Or maybe he paid for the electrical/plumbing stuff? From that same screenshot, I can see 1 project in August, and 3 in July in 2009 (all of those, it shows Chases $$$ was 65%). I think it's unrealistic to believe that Chase didn't have expenses when he was making these fountains alone, no one can make fountains from thin air, and as of right now, we don't have the full picture of Chases expenses previous to October 2009. I could see that he maybe burned some bridges with suppliers or bounced some cheques and maybe this was their (Joey and Chase's) solution?

Thanks for going back to this... I have seen the spreadsheets, but they were missing the MSM columns, and I couldn't figure out why Chase's portion had dropped like that, this explains it.

 

[citygirl]

No, I was responding just to what you wrote.

What police state? The police enforce laws in every state as they are supposed to do.

They turnover what has been discovered during their investigation, and it's the prosecutor's responsibility to decide if the evidence supports an indictment.

So I'm not understanding what a police state has to do with the overwhelming amount of evidence the state has entered against this defendant?

Who believes the defendant is not afforded a defense??? Of course he is, that's why CM has a DT who is death penalty qualified representing him so that is totally contrary to what a police state represents.

Imo

And are giving their all to represent their client! I noted that CM was crestfallen when the judge so eloquently stated why he would not grant a mistrial or whatever you call it. McGee was equally as crestfallen, IMO. They believe in him and his innocence (well maybe) and are fighting the good fight. Their good fight, I should say.

 

[citygirl]

"And 4 people deserve justice"
The only way they'll receive justice is if the person that actually committed the crimes is convicted. Tainted evidence only assures justice being denied.

Texas, I appreciate your posts.What evidence do you think is tainted? Late to the discussion today.

 

[citygirl]

If Chase is being "framed" by the prosecution, heck, why don't they just fabricate witnesses that saw him doing all this? Maybe because they're using the circumstantial evidence that's there?

I'd really like to see anyone put DK (or his associates, what associates?) in Fallbrook, San Ysidro, the High Desert, and siphoning money between January 2010 and March of 2010. Show me some evidence.
His ex GF won't cut it, she has a habit of filing domestic abuse charges against BF's and was involved in prostitution (no doubt the pros will bring this up in cross). If I was a juror, I'd see it as her 5 minutes of fame and disregard her testimony. She's had plenty of time to acquire pertinent facts about this case. But some will believe witnesses that have a criminal past....
DK threatened JM about the website 1 year prior to the murders. In testimony, and CM's own words, JM had bought out DK and owed a couple thousand to him.
They were still doing business together. DK was roommates with JM for a time before Summer came into the picture. Dk was getting paid by JM to run the website. DK was the earliest person to say "where's JM"? and call PM. Yes, he's a cocky little dude, and his mouth shows little restraint, needless to say I've met many Web/IT people who think they're a bag of chips and all that.

But if you want to lay it in DK's lap.......SHOW ME THE PROOF.

BBM
I agree with you but this is where the defense team is headed . Let them put it out there as we await the prosecution's cross and rebuttal.

 

[missy1974]

I noticed the memo line kept changing on some of the checks CM was writing to himself. There was at least one that said copper. I'll have to go back and look for these. But did anyone else notice? TIA

MOO

Here is a snip of the cheque that said "copper" in the memo line.

 

[Cricket28]

I think there is a portion missing as well? That or she wasn't cross examined.(Could be why they plan on calling her?) Could it have been Mike's testimony?

CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010

Here are some tweets posted from SB's cross examination.

 

[smr]

I don't think there is any other logical explanation for the checks other than CM knew the McStays were dead that fateful Thursday evening and he wasted no time helping himself to Joey's money. There is no way to get around it.

It could be he knew they were dead, it could also be he didn't know but believed or suspected they were dead.

The killer(s) would know they were dead, but not necessarily everyone who knew they were dead was among the killers.

 

[missy1974]

CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010

Here are some tweets posted from SB's cross examination.

Thanks I found them after... reading the tweets, I recalled hearing some of it but not what @Mica was looking for.

 

[Funky funky]

It could be he knew they were dead, it could also be he didn't know but believed or suspected they were dead.

The killer(s) would know they were dead, but not necessarily everyone who knew they were dead was among the killers.

A few hours after they were missing, he knew/thought they were dead? That would be a bit of a dramatic conclusion to jump to would it not?

 

[Cricket28]

I thought I was following it. Sorry if I made the wrong inference.

The post was saying that Chase didn't have any way to buy supplies anymore because his account were closed and he had burned bridges with suppliers. So how is he going to get things needed to work on the projects?

I thought that was what the question was?

And the defense seems to be saying that Joey's answer to that dilemma was to give Chase 76 checks and tell him to sign Joey's name when necessary.

BBM

Patrick says in his book that after the disappearance, he and Gina began looking closely at CM because she knew him from the waterfall industry. According to her CM had a horrible reputation. As many will remember Gina W. was a friend of Joey's who worked for one of his suppliers. So I would say he had burned bridges with others in the business.

MOO

 

[Cricket28]

Hi Cricket I posted all the cheque details here if it makes it easier for you CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

Thank you Tortoise!!! You are the best!

 

[Cricket28]

I believe that was a cheque to MSM.

Thanks Missy.

 

[Texas Red]

Though we seem to be at either end of the spectrum in this trial, there ARE things I will agree with you on

I believe all of us here want the same thing, for the killer or killers responsible to be convicted. What it comes down to is different individuals have different interpretations of the evidence, this can be attributed to our different backgrounds, life experiences, socioeconomic status, interactions with law enforcement, just to list a few of the different reasons causing us to have different perceptions of the same set of circumstances.

So, when I defend CM, please don’t take it personal it’s not that I like the guy or have an agenda, I just happen to be very a skeptical person, this causes me to be critical in my analysis of circumstances that I don’t have first hand knowledge of.

 

[Cricket28]

Here is a snip of the cheque that said "copper" in the memo line.

Thanks again Missy!!

 

[Texas Red]

Texas, I appreciate your posts.What evidence do you think is tainted? Late to the discussion today.

I think it was yesterday, I posted my concerns, but instead of directing you to the post I'll post them here again.

I feel the prosecution is presenting a series of innuendos, and over emphasizing events such as the check writing and cashing as something only the murderer would do and hammering it into the ground, I believe they’re doing so because in reality they have no other provable evidence. We have no idea if the vehicle leaving the McStay’s home on the night of Feb. 4th was CM’s vehicle all I saw was some kooky professor rambling on about nonsense and then producing an image that he says could be a truck similar to CM’s.

The prosecution really has no idea where the murders took place, sure they contend it was at the home but in actuality they don’t know and admit it when pressed. I know from experience that the ping data can’t be relied upon because I was in the same area at the same time and the cell tower network was constantly dropping my calls and switching my phone to roaming by connecting to some distant tower.

The other problem is other potential suspects, DK was never investigated properly, I’ve heard no testimony or forensics that place him in Hawaii durning the time of the murders other than an online reservation that he made, there were no checks to see if he was actually on the plane, or where he stayed, really!

IMO, the biggest problem for the prosecution is the absence of forensics there’s not one iota of blood, DNA, hair, fingerprint, simply nothing connecting CM to the bodies, graves, or the murder scene, even if they knew where the murder scene was. The best thing going for the prosecution is their suspect CM, as can be seen from the numerous negative comments here about him, he’s certainly not going to be nominated for sainthood but if people are convicted of crimes based upon character and nothing else over half the people in America would be in prison.