CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[Bernina]

Everyone here should make it a point to listen to the judges list of evidence, which I think begins at about 1hr and 5 minutes, into the youtube. [ my video on LandC was about 1hr and 5 when he began his list, i believe.]

It is very detailed and vital information. I was very surprised. I hope the jury has been taking good notes...

I think our view of the evidence was skewed by listening to the arguments outside of the jury's presence and "dark days", it screwed up the flow.

 

[Mony Mony]

Right, he alerted others, that's because he's guilty. If he didn't alert others, guess why? Because he's guilty.

I think he is guilty because of the backdated checks. I also think he is guilty because he said he last talked to Joey when he was sitting at his desk in the office. The rest just adds to my beliefs.

Why didn't he call the cops himself? Oh right, because the dogs bowls were moved.

 

[MichaelCorleone]

OBE: I was agreeing with you

What is with all these outta body experiences?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If Chase murdered the family, why did he alert Joey's brother and insist that he go and check on the family before anyone else raises the alarm? Even the brother wasn't the least concerned and said they may be taking a vacation.

Why are so many murderers the ones to call 911 reporting or pretending they found the bodies?

Why do many ingraciate themselves in the case, including putting up fliers, if the victim is missing, going to vigils, partaking in searches or talking to the media taking centerstage?

I imagine it's all an effort of trying to cover up they are the actual murderers themselves.

Joey's family didn't live there. Everyone who did, knew if anyone knew about Joey's whereabouts it would be CM who talked to him many times a day.

If he hadn't told them then the first question everyone would have asked is why CM hadn't told anyone he couldnt get in touch with his best friend.

MSM asked CM did he know where Joey was, so he knew it was only a matter of time he would be asked.

Imo

 

[Tortoise]

Well I say we've got one week to try and get some other outfit to take over the live streaming. Because it's gone so far downhill now at Law & Crime that it's become unbearable and they're not even bothering to upload the videos now it's so low priority for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they back out completely by next week.

Anyone got any ideas? Can we find out who else applied to do the livestreaming before trial started? I want to see the rest of this trial and not in half sentences!

 

[MichaelCorleone]

Well I say we've got one week to try and get some other outfit to take over the live streaming. Because it's gone so far downhill now at Law & Crime that it's become unbearable and they're not even bothering to upload the videos now it's so low priority for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they back out completely by next week.

Anyone got any ideas? Can we find out who else applied to do the livestreaming before trial started? I want to see the rest of this trial and not in half sentences!

I feel like they just don’t care and I don’t understand that. They are running a business. I wonder if the powers that be over there know what is going on. My gripe is starting it and then pulling out and the fact that the quality is so bad. They would say “Well you’re getting it for free,” but that is on them. If they don’t want to offer it for free then make a subscription site. They surely can’t make people pay when they can’t keep it running for more than 30 second intervals though.

 

[Texas Red]

Normally a suspect is developed, arrested and charged by matching a suspect to the evidence. In this case it appears the evidence was developed and created based upon matching it to the suspect.

 

[citygirl]

Considering the YouTube from last Thursday isn’t up yet, it might be a week from now before we get today’s. I’d like to hear what the judge had to say. When it was occurring I could only hear every 5th word.

Oh Michael! It is so damn frustrating. But if you get the chance? The judge just gave an opening statement for the prosecutors. Long, detailed and well thought out.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good point. But now that I have heard all the testimony I understand. And his interview with CNN could very well be part of his demise.

I have no way of knowing how it will affect his jury when they watch it, but, just guessing, I think it is going to have a profound affect on them all.

As you know, it was this interview that convinced me, CM would be arrested, and charged one day for murdering the McStay family.

While it was bizarre during some of it....it was also very revealing about the man talking. Imo

Are they going to rest after that? I think it would be the perfect place to rest their CIC.

Imo

 

[travelbug]

I believe the last two months the prosecution definitely provided a prima facie—a sufficient case for a conviction. If the evidence against Charles Merritt isn't sufficient for a conviction, then most of the trials in this country wouldn't have enough evidence sufficient for a conviction. Seriously, think of all the cases being tried where the evidence isn't as good as this. No-body cases for example, no weapon cases, no eye-witness cases, no ear-witness cases.

I've also thought that people who don't find the evidence against Charles Merritt prima facie, then they must be expecting a 1080p video of Charles bashing each one of the McStay's heads in or a trustworthy eye-witness to the murders who has never told a lie. I rarely see any trials with that kind of direct evidence. Most trials in this country are based on circumstantial evidence—part of the law. The prosecution doesn't have to prove Charles guilty for absolute certainty. The jurors can have some doubt.

Definitely a prima facie case, IMO.

Those who are not guilty swayed, please weigh-in. What kind of evidence would you have wanted to see to be able to convict Charles Merritt?

I am still sitting on the fence. I believe it is impossible to be certain of guilt until the defense has the opportunity to refute, explain or discredit the evidence presented by the Pros. I believe in "due process", there is room for doubt until such things as phone ping accuracy, QB function, vehicle identification and DNA evidence are proven BARD.

 

[katydid23]

Normally a suspect is developed, arrested and charged by matching a suspect to the evidence. In this case it appears the evidence was developed and created based upon matching it to the suspect.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

Where were the bodies buried?

Who was hacking into the Quickbook account and forging checks, backdating them to the last date Joey was seen alive?

Who said they were 'definitely' the last person to see Joey?

Whose DNA was found on the steering wheel of Joey's trooper when it was dumped at the border?

It looks to me like this suspect was arrested because he matched the evidence. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if this will change the minds of the L&C talking heads who have a different opinion?

I highly doubt it. In most cases they seem to be pro defense. I doubt that slant will change.

Imo

 

[citygirl]

Well the two timed felon did inform Susan Blake that it appeared someone had moved the dog bowls and that someone may be taking care of the dogs.

Pretty eerie when one considers that he was the perp. This worried mother was relying on the likes of him. And he got money from her?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OBE: I was agreeing with you

Oh. Lol

Im not feeling the best today. Sorry if I misunderstood your prior post.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Pretty eerie when one considers that he was the perp. This worried mother was relying on the likes of him. And he got money from her?

Money he never had any attentions of paying back either. He conned her too after murdering her family. Unforgivable.

It shows what a soulless lowlife he truly is.

Imo

 

[citygirl]

as the judge was listing a very detailed account of all of the evidence against him, Chase was slowly shaking his head some of the time. And at the very end, when Chase turned around frowning, looking at his attorney, his face was beet red. I think his blood pressure spiked...

But prior to that I observed he was ashen. And his buddy who sat behind him gave a reassuring pat on the back. Saw it with my own two eyes. And speculating here. I'm thinking his pressure is 140/80 with meds. MOO.

 

[Mica]

I am still sitting on the fence. I believe it is impossible to be certain of guilt until the defense has the opportunity to refute, explain or discredit the evidence presented by the Pros. I believe in "due process", there is room for doubt until such things as phone ping accuracy, QB function, vehicle identification and DNA evidence are proven BARD.

Travelbug, I’m on the fence too, and also believe in due process. I’ll wait until both sides rest before I come to a conclusion.

 

[citygirl]

I'm surprised he turned down the chance of a few hours out of his cell to attend court on Friday. His chances of viewing normal life and the outside world must be down to double digits now. Mind you I suppose he will have appeals.

JMO

Surprised me too. Figured he may be busy with his attys this week?

 

[Longtimenoc]

But prior to that I observed he was ashen. And his buddy who sat behind him gave a reassuring pat on the back. Saw it with my own two eyes. And speculating here. I'm thinking his pressure is 140/80 with meds. MOO.

You are right. His head is like a courtroom barometer. When the testimony gets tricky he reddens. Its almost a shade of purple. Weird.

 

[citygirl]

The judge determined the first Faro witness was not qualified that's not the defense's problem. IMO that should have been the end of it no witness, no Faro testimony. Concerning the defense doing the same as the prosecution did IMO that would also be a violation of the discovery rules.

Dr. Rudin was not FARO.