CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[missy1974]

Was this because Joseph wouldn't divulge his percentage at the time?

Yes, which makes sense to me now lol But if they billed for what they were doing, including Chase's job's, the % shouldn't have even mattered to them, the more they billed, the less Chase got IMO But they may not have known that. I can see both sides of that... if Sequieda thought he was being screwed and Chase was getting paid for something they were doing and they weren't getting enough... but from Joey's perspective, it really was none of their business as long as they were getting paid for the work they did. JMO

 

[citygirl]

How much money total did CM receive from Susan Blake for "fountain stuff"? I listened to her testimony and she did not mention all the amounts and the checks weren't shown. Tnx.

Not sure but I heard 5 grand, then 2 hundred, then 250 .

 

[Texas Red]

Well, for me, it's not "interactions with law enforcement," that has led to my conclusion of who the guilty party is. Rather, it's been my unfortunate interactions with a couple of ex-convicts and knowing how they think. For the most part, they are ALWAYS working a situation and looking to benefit, from someone letting their guard down or foolishly trusting them.

That's understandable, this is why jury consultants are used. Does anyone know if they were used in this trial?

 

[smr]

DK threatened JM about the website 1 year prior to the murders. In testimony, and CM's own words, JM had bought out DK and owed a couple thousand to him.

Didn't a poster say the murderer had planned it "for a LOOOOOONG time"?

They were still doing business together. DK was roommates with JM for a time before Summer came into the picture. Dk was getting paid by JM to run the website.

DK probably knew about computers and Internet better than anyone else around JM.

DK was the earliest person to say "where's JM"? and call PM.

Hmmm, does that make DK more, or less, suspicious? ---Earlier I asked, if CM committed murder, why he raised alarm and urged Mike to check on his brother, the answers from several posters here was that it's typical of a murderer.

Again, double standard should not be applied.

 

[missy1974]

That's understandable, this is why jury consultants are used. Does anyone know if they were used in this trial?

We only know what L&C wants to tell us They are the only one's covering it

 

[Texas Red]

True. But MM wouldnt print Merritt a check identical to the ones he cashed. Right?

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

 

[Texas Red]

We only know what L&C wants to tell us They are the only one's covering it

Perhaps they're the real killers.

 

[missy1974]

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

I understand what you are saying, but QB's online also recorded that information, independent of the computer. We didn't hear about IP's or no one got that information from QB's, but if the times line up?

 

[Mica]

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

As I’ve previously stated, I don’t know how any evidence taken from the home can be admissible. The crime scene was not secured, was tampered with, and contaminated. Mike said they had permission to enter and remove items from the home. Dugal testified they did not. It’s unfortunate this happened.

 

[Recidivist]

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

The data wasn't retrieved from the computer. It was retrieved from the QB audit trail logs.

 

[smr]

So—why does the defense NOT ask the SB investigators about DK? (Assuming that my memory is correct.) I think that the most likely reason is that the answer would not help their case.

My impression is that the judge strictly limited the defense's questions involving Dan Kavanaugh. I remember there was a report before the trial that the Judge rejected defense's request to show something about DK, maybe the account that he made confession of the murder to his ex girlfriend (was it?).

 

[Bernina]

Not sure but I heard 5 grand, then 2 hundred, then 250 .

And from her own funds, never paid back per her testimony.

 

[MichaelCorleone]

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

Yeah, on the 4th. Mikey didn’t have the computer on the 4th.

 

[missy1974]

The data wasn't retrieved from the computer. It was retrieved from the QB audit trail logs.

IIRC it was actually retrieved from both.

 

[Cricket28]

I believe data was retrieved from the computer indicating a check was made online and then deleted but never printed. However the data retrived, IMO, can't be relied upon because the computer had been been in the possession of others and may have been tampered with.

The check made online on the eve of the 4th, then deleted, was identical to a check made online from CM's computer the next day and cashed.

MOO

 

[missy1974]

My impression is that the judge strictly limited the defense's questions involving Dan Kavanaugh. I remember there was a report before the trial that the Judge rejected defense's request to show something about DK, maybe the account that he made confession of the murder to his ex girlfriend (was it?).

BBM No, this has been allowed AFAIK. The defense even talked about in Opening Statements, in detail.

 

[Texas Red]

I understand what you are saying, but QB's online also recorded that information, independent of the computer. We didn't hear about IP's or no one got that information from QB's, but if the times line up?

We know it happened and we know what time that it happened because the QB's server couldn't have been exploited. But what we don't know is from where. In conclusion if it's not known from what location the server was accessed how can you put CM in the house that night? In order to know that the time is accurately represented on the computer we need to know if the computer has been compromised and the problem is we just don't know. If the computer data is to be relied upon it should never have been removed from the crime scene.

 

[Texas Red]

The data wasn't retrieved from the computer. It was retrieved from the QB audit trail logs.

The time was retrieved from the computer.

 

[missy1974]

The check made online on the eve of the 4th, then deleted, was identical to a check made online from CM's computer the next day and cashed.

MOO

Wasn't identical. The amount was different, the 4th it was for $4000, the 5th it was $4500.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Hi @geevee Was wondering where you were!

In Dugal's testimony, he is asked questions about listening to the VM's. The VM's that were on there, that Dugal was given access to from the cell phone company, the 2nd message mentions knowing they are missing, which indicates it was after it was in the media. Chase said he left VM's, but they were not on there. Susan and Mike also said they left VM's, but they were not on there either. Dugal said he believes there were VM's from the 4th-at least the 15th that were deleted and missing.

I do have links to the testimony if you would like it.

And Dugal bungled the whole investigation. But a broken clock is right twice a day.