CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[missy1974]

So prior to the trial he has had many years to work on completing his book. Has it been 5 years?

He was arrested in Nov '14 I believe. I don't know much about the book at all to be honest. I have stayed away from the books in this case, they just muddy the case IMO To many factual inaccuracies.

 

[QueenBofOB]

That's wonderful. But there are no guarantees with these drugs, IMO.

Maybe not. But *I* have been taking some of it myself (one that contains Poison Ivy of all things) and it's been helping ME. To each his own.

 

[Force Ten]

So prior to the trial he has had many years to work on completing his book. Has it been 5 years?

At the time of remains were found, it was 3 years. Supposedly had 7 chapters done.

 

[Bernina]

Right, that's what we have. But Jr. testifies that he doesn't know about and doesn't do the invoicing and cheques, didn't even look in the envelopes. Then we have Carmen who doesn't have a clue about what happens in the back end and does the invoicing and books but doesn't do the deposits.

So we would need Sr. to testify ... and he didn't.

Even if Chase destroyed it, Joey would have it in his QB logs as a cheque printed to MSM, or he would have had the carbon copy in his chequebook IMO It would be very simple to cross reference if it was indeed the case that Joey handed Chase a cheque written to MSM, and Chase being the thief he is, cashed it somehow and spent it like Jr. says he overheard in an argument between Chase and his dad. JMO

I would LOVE to see Sequeida Sr. testify, he sounds like an interesting man and I'm intrigued. I think we'd learn a lot about CM's work ethics and how he handles issues in the work place. We really haven't heard from anyone who had a working relationship with CM and JM.

 

[itsbrookie]

Very confusing testimony. MOO.

I completely agree. The whole back and forth about Chase coming inside versus staying outside was mind bending lol. One second I would think it was definitely Mike inside alone and the next it seemed Chase surely went in.. Very confusing.

I still can't fathom why Mike said he drove by on the 4th or the 6th. When they brought that up, why didn't he say 'now I know that that definitely wasn't true, at the time I had my dates confused'? Because he had zero reason to have driven past the house before the 9th. He had never even been to this house, IIRC he said he had to meet Chase somewhere else so Chase could show him where to go?

The only thing I can come up with is early on he blurted out an earlier drive by date to seem like a good brother out of guilt for not acting sooner.

 

[Bernina]

I wonder why Sr. wasn’t called to testify? Maybe the DT will call him.

Maybe in the State's rebuttal?

 

[KALI]

Chase Merritt is a liar and Con Man.
I seriously doubt that he wrote a book, that has yet to be discovered by ANYONE.

I had questioned whether investigators had ever had the opportunity to read his book. I'm assuming they haven't, if they had surely portions of it would've been entered into evidence for the prosecution. I imagine Chase would have written derogatory statements about Summer and her 'energetic' children that weren't being raised with the corporal punishment method, much to his dismay. (insert eye roll here)

Regardless, I hope some day it is discovered and released. It would be very insightful as to his mindset.

 

[travelbug]

Exactly. He was young, strong and healthy. He had allergies. Big deal. But some big worries as we surmise. He was fine, IMO, but feeling stress maybe? Could have been Chase, could have been Summer, could have been the whole ball of wax.

ITA I'm a lot like Joey (a people pleaser who would give you their last nickle) and some people really know how to get what they want by taking advantage of that). Then I get frustrated with myself for being such a sucker and never learning my lesson. After following this case from the beginning it seemed to me Joey was at the end of his rope after being used by so many friends, business associates, family, etc. Add to that the business disagreements with SMS, the Provecho fountain owners, trying to end his business association with DK and possibly CM (both of whom had been his "friends"), trying to keep Summer happy, handle family problems and trying to negotiate large business deals and I would be amazed if he wasn't seriously over-stressed. He had the weight of the world on his shoulders. jmho

 

[missy1974]

I completely agree. The whole back and forth about Chase coming inside versus staying outside was mind bending lol. One second I would think it was definitely Mike inside alone and the next it seemed Chase surely went in.. Very confusing.

I still can't fathom why Mike said he drove by on the 4th or the 6th. When they brought that up, why didn't he say 'now I know that that definitely wasn't true, at the time I had my dates confused'? Because he had zero reason to have driven past the house before the 9th. He had never even been to this house, IIRC he said he had to meet Chase somewhere else so Chase could show him where to go?

The only thing I can come up with is early on he blurted out an earlier drive by date to seem like a good brother out of guilt for not acting sooner.

They were brothers though... so maybe it was just coincidence that he was in the area and drove by since he was? Maybe he didn't see the Trooper there at the time so didn't stop?

I really think the only significance would be the work truck and the 4th... since they have a video of a work truck that doesn't seem to be the Trooper on video that evening. There is nothing conclusive that shows it's Merritt's truck. Some can conclude that it is ... some can conclude that it isn't.

 

[missy1974]

Maybe in the State's rebuttal?

hmmm what are the rules about rebuttal? Would the defense have to put someone on the witness stand to testify about MSM and those payments for them to come back with Sequieda Sr as a rebuttal witness?

 

[Mony Mony]

I completely agree. The whole back and forth about Chase coming inside versus staying outside was mind bending lol. One second I would think it was definitely Mike inside alone and the next it seemed Chase surely went in.. Very confusing.

I still can't fathom why Mike said he drove by on the 4th or the 6th. When they brought that up, why didn't he say 'now I know that that definitely wasn't true, at the time I had my dates confused'? Because he had zero reason to have driven past the house before the 9th. He had never even been to this house, IIRC he said he had to meet Chase somewhere else so Chase could show him where to go?

The only thing I can come up with is early on he blurted out an earlier drive by date to seem like a good brother out of guilt for not acting sooner.

Well CM did say MM was "excitable". CM unwittingly laid the foundation that explained MM confusing/fractured testimony.

 

[Bernina]

Just to add to this... I believe the project name may have been T-Junker. And there is a cheque shown in Carmen's testimony that shows a cheque that I thnk the memo line says "T-Junker Final Bal." It's actually dated 1-15-09 (I'm guessing the 09 is a mistake by Joey ... it is handwritten, and it was January lol They weren't working with MSM in Jan 09) So if it was shipped around or after that time.... and it was damaged, I doubt the shipping insurance would pay out that quickly?

Joey did tell his Dad he had a $16000 cheque he was going to deposit that day. I don't think that was the price of the fountain though, based on some spreadsheets I have looked at (fountain price was $8100, was dated 11/06/09) Would insurance pay more than the cost of the item? Or maybe Joey/Chase declared the cost as 16k when shipped?)

When I did all the UPS shipping for my father years and years ago, we had the shipping cost included when we filed claims. My father also did that with Air Freight items coming from Scandinavia + the cost of customs and any import taxes. Labor wasn't a consideration because he was the retailer of goods.
Some companies do overestimate the value to cover time lost and backlogs to replace the item. Some insure for wholesale, others for retail value.
Usually the time period depended on how quickly you could get the claims department to get the paperwork done.
Did JM ever deposit that check? I don't recall that it showed up anywhere...

 

[itsbrookie]

They were brothers though... so maybe it was just coincidence that he was in the area and drove by since he was? Maybe he didn't see the Trooper there at the time so didn't stop?

I really think the only significance would be the work truck and the 4th... since they have a video of a work truck that doesn't seem to be the Trooper on video that evening. There is nothing conclusive that shows it's Merritt's truck. Some can conclude that it is ... some can conclude that it isn't.

That would only make sense if he knew where the house was, though. I agree, the work truck is interesting.

 

[itsbrookie]

Chase Merritt is a liar and Con Man.
I seriously doubt that he wrote a book, that has yet to be discovered by ANYONE.

I 100% agree with your opinion of Chase's character. But he did want to read it to Patrick McStay so he was clearly writing something. IMO he thought he could make some more money out of Joey, even after he was found dead.

 

[missy1974]

When I did all the UPS shipping for my father years and years ago, we had the shipping cost included when we filed claims. My father also did that with Air Freight items coming from Scandinavia + the cost of customs and any import taxes. Labor wasn't a consideration because he was the retailer of goods.
Some companies do overestimate the value to cover time lost and backlogs to replace the item. Some insure for wholesale, others for retail value.
Usually the time period depended on how quickly you could get the claims department to get the paperwork done.
Did JM ever deposit that check? I don't recall that it showed up anywhere...

If the fountain originally cost $8100... if he had to have it 'remade', it was going to cost him again ... so the $16000 would actually make sense when thinking about it. Joey had already paid MSM for the original fountain... and then they rebuilt it (possibly just fixed the broken one?), but he was still going to have to pay them for it again.

No, we know nothing more about the 16k cheque, other than what Patrick said.

 

[missy1974]

That would only make sense if he knew where the house was, though. I agree, the work truck is interesting.

He says he doesn't know how he knew the address, maybe my brother gave it to me or something.

 

[Bernina]

Lol....maybe this?

Mystery SOLVED!!!!!!

 

[Bernina]

hmmm what are the rules about rebuttal? Would the defense have to put someone on the witness stand to testify about MSM and those payments for them to come back with Sequieda Sr as a rebuttal witness?

Yep.

 

[KALI]

Anyone know when this ridiculous trial is supposed to re-start?
TIA,

 

[wary]

Anyone know when this ridiculous trial is supposed to re-start?
TIA,

I believe on Tuesday.