CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #14

[missy1974]

L&C didn't include witnesses' names in these two video titles. It will be hard to remember which is which if they continue to do so.

Another reason to take good notes haha

 

[katydid23]

MM sounds angry! Just starting to listen. And sounds like defense may be going the route of Mikey did it.

Poor Mikey.

I'd be angry as well. There is always an alternate theory for the defense and in that—a different killer. Sometimes they choose family members. They make good targets because oftentimes they make statements in times of desperation from life and death situations such as "my fear is I'm looking for" quote to which the defense clings. I liked how the judge overruled McGee's objection about there being no testimony that Mike killed the family when Imes asked if he was insulted with that implication. LOL what else could they be suggesting? Glad the judge overruled that one. This testimony worked against them and just showed their desperation to get their client off, IMO.

I think this was a bad day for the defense.

Calling Mikey again was a weak move and makes them look desperate. They bragged in OS about their dynamic team of high profile experts—-so where are they?

They should be rebutting the evidence against Chase. Pointing a finger at Mikey because of a couple of off statements he made seems like they are flailing.

I think the State did s great job in cross and destroyed the defense and their attempt to create doubt by implying Mikey was involved

And when the state called them out on their pointing their finger at Mike, McGee acted all outraged, denying they were ever accusing him

And I think the jury will see it as disingenuous as I did when they objected and denied ever accusing him of being the killer

Why else would they harp on his misstatement thst he drove by the McStay home on the 4th? Or his news interview where he said his biggest fear was finding the family dead in the desert buried in shallow graves?

I think it was a bad day for the defense because they looked petty,in my opinion.

And the State did a great job in their cross—-showing that Mikes work truck had the tail pipe in front not in back

Also, in my opinion, that statement about the graves is not that damning against Mike

It is quite common for bodies to be buried in shallow graves in the desert. That area is surrounded by desert.

The jury finally gets the chance after a long break, to hear the defense put forth their case. And it seemed like a very weak case they set forth today. Very anticlimactic, it seemed to me

I don’t know where they were going with that testimony from Sgt Ryan about the Trooper key. But it seemed to end with a whimper on their part.

 

[smr]

And I think the jury will see it as disingenuous

I wouldn't underestimate the jury.

 

[smr]

Tomorrow is defense DNA expert testifying? What's with Beasely?

 

[katydid23]

I wouldn't underestimate the jury.

I don’t underestimate them at all

I think they will notice a lot of the same things that I do.

 

[katydid23]

I wouldn't underestimate the jury.

Also, just for future reference for you...

If you are going to quote someone it is important to include the entire sentence —at the very least

But you just posted the first half of my sentence, which makes it out of context and incomplete

Just a heads up because it is good etiquette to include the entire quote for clarity and correctness

 

[travelbug]

I think it is difficult to put ourselves in the same mindset as the jurors. Most of us have been following this case for 4-9 years. We have dissected just about every word and argument regarding CM, MM, DK, white trucks, shallow graves, etc. It is difficult to set aside our bias. The jury is at the opposite end of that spectrum. Everything they are hearing is new to them and they have no bias. Each juror will process the information and decide, individually, what is important. Then they will come together and discuss what they have heard. At this point in the trial I still believe it will be difficult to achieve a unanimous verdict. We don't know the jurors or what their life experiences have been, but we do know that it is difficult to get 12 strangers to see things the same way. jmho

 

[missy1974]

I think this was a bad day for the defense.

Calling Mikey again was a weak move and makes them look desperate. They bragged in OS about their dynamic team of high profile experts—-so where are they?

They should be rebutting the evidence against Chase. Pointing a finger at Mikey because of a couple of off statements he made seems like they are flailing.

I think the State did s great job in cross and destroyed the defense and their attempt to create doubt by implying Mikey was involved

And when the state called them out on their pointing their finger at Mike, McGee acted all outraged, denying they were ever accusing him

And I think the jury will see it as disingenuous as I did when they objected and denied ever accusing him of being the killer

Why else would they harp on his misstatement thst he drove by the McStay home on the 4th? Or his news interview where he said his biggest fear was finding the family dead in the desert buried in shallow graves?

I think it was a bad day for the defense because they looked petty,in my opinion.

And the State did a great job in their cross—-showing that Mikes work truck had the tail pipe in front not in back

Also, in my opinion, that statement about the graves is not that damning against Mike

It is quite common for bodies to be buried in shallow graves in the desert. That area is surrounded by desert.

The jury finally gets the chance after a long break, to hear the defense put forth their case. And it seemed like a very weak case they set forth today. Very anticlimactic, it seemed to me

I don’t know where they were going with that testimony from Sgt Ryan about the Trooper key. But it seemed to end with a whimper on their part.

I don't think it was terrible, maybe not earth shattering... but then again, none of this was new to me. It would be to the jury though (or should be).

I think Mike said the tailpipe was in the middle of the front... I would love to see a pic of that LOL I googled 2007 silverado 3500HD exhaust system and don't see anything that sounds like that description. (maybe he meant in front of the tire?)

In regards to his statement, you say it's quite common for bodies to be found in the desert there, yet I recall saying this previously after some locals and I think the anthropologist or CSI witness said the same earlier in the trial and it was shot down, so I'm not sure that's a good argument at all. But that's JMO It could very well be a coincidence... seems like there are a lot of those in this case IMO

The article they were referencing in the testimony can be found here:
Video shows missing family leaving home – Orange County Register

One of the things that stood out to me was that they did flyers in Fallbrook and sounds like Chase and Cathy were there... Mike says "oh that's when I met Cathy". I don't recall flyers being handed out in Fallbrook, maybe others would ... @KALI ?

Again a "missing laptop" was brought up.... I wish we knew more about this, but it sure seems like Joey's laptop is missing.

Oh andddddd the only other thing I can think of... the 4th/6th drive by thing... he says "not sure if it was uhmm if they got that right, or if we had been talking about McG going down and doing the painting" <<< so is he saying that McGyver drove by? So he isn't attributing that drive by comment to Chase the following week and getting mixed up. Apparently he used his phone and called people to remember what was what as he was being interviewed by Dugal. Which I think is interesting because Chase had to do the same. JMO

 

[missy1974]

Tomorrow is defense DNA expert testifying? What's with Beasely?

Suzanna Ryan tomorrow, apparently she will be doing a demo of the m-vac system as well.

Beasley, sounds like they just got video that they want to show today, which they gave to the State. McGee said they won't be calling him until everything is 'settled'.

 

[smr]

About the missing laptop... So MM said he didn't take JM's laptop? But I remember a while ago Force Ten said MM took JM's laptop (as opposed to desktop).

 

[katydid23]

I don't think it was terrible, maybe not earth shattering... but then again, none of this was new to me. It would be to the jury though (or should be).

I think Mike said the tailpipe was in the middle of the front... I would love to see a pic of that LOL I googled 2007 silverado 3500HD exhaust system and don't see anything that sounds like that description. (maybe he meant in front of the tire?)

In regards to his statement, you say it's quite common for bodies to be found in the desert there, yet I recall saying this previously after some locals and I think the anthropologist or CSI witness said the same earlier in the trial and it was shot down, so I'm not sure that's a good argument at all. But that's JMO It could very well be a coincidence... seems like there are a lot of those in this case IMO

The article they were referencing in the testimony can be found here:
Video shows missing family leaving home – Orange County Register

One of the things that stood out to me was that they did flyers in Fallbrook and sounds like Chase and Cathy were there... Mike says "oh that's when I met Cathy". I don't recall flyers being handed out in Fallbrook, maybe others would ... @KALI ?

Again a "missing laptop" was brought up.... I wish we knew more about this, but it sure seems like Joey's laptop is missing.

Oh andddddd the only other thing I can think of... the 4th/6th drive by thing... he says "not sure if it was uhmm if they got that right, or if we had been talking about McG going down and doing the painting" <<< so is he saying that McGyver drove by? So he isn't attributing that drive by comment to Chase the following week and getting mixed up. Apparently he used his phone and called people to remember what was what as he was being interviewed by Dugal. Which I think is interesting because Chase had to do the same. JMO

I didn’t say it was common for bodies to be found in the desert ‘there ‘— I said it was common for bodies to be buried in the desert in general

Google ‘Murder in the Mojave’. Lots of bodies found in the California and Nevada desert area for many decades. The Vegas mob was known to bury victims there and several serial killers as welll

People in Southern California routinely assume that the desert is a place that people get buried

 

[missy1974]

About the missing laptop... So MM said he didn't take JM's laptop? But I remember a while ago Force Ten said MM took JM's laptop (as opposed to desktop).

Mike said today that he took a SIM card, a hard drive and the e-machine.

I have the e-machine as Device 4, model number T2040

 

[smr]

I didn’t say it was common for bodies to be found in the desert ‘there ‘— I said it was common for bodies to be buried in the desert in general

Google ‘Murder in the Mojave’. Lots of bodies found in the California and Nevada desert area for many decades. The Vegas mob was known to bury victims there and several serial killers as welll

People in Southern California routinely assume that the desert is a place that people get buried

The issue is not bodies being found in the desert. The issue is bodies being found in two shallow graves.

 

[Karinna]

The issue is not bodies being found in the desert. The issue is bodies being found in two shallow graves.

Yeah & Merritt was very efficient at digging in the desert. Wouldn't of taken him long to dig shallow graves IMO.

 

[katydid23]

The issue is not bodies being found in the desert. The issue is bodies being found in two shallow graves.

All graves in the desert are shallow

So tell me what the issue is with him saying 2 shallow graves? What does that prove?

 

[smr]

Yeah & Merritt was very efficient at digging in the desert. Wouldn't of taken him long to dig shallow graves IMO.

1. I think the defense' point is that MM in his statement accurately described the graves long before the remains were found.

2. If CM was so efficient, you'd think he'd dig one deep grave instead of two shallow ones.

 

[katydid23]

1. I think the defense' point is that MM in his statement accurately described the graves long before the remains were found.

2. If CM was so efficient, you'd think he'd dig one deep grave instead of two shallow ones.

1. So what does that prove? Is that supposed to show that he was involved in the burial of the bodies?

2. Maybe he would dig one. But he didn’t

 

[Karinna]

1. I think the defense' point is that MM in his statement accurately described the graves long before the remains were found.

2. If CM was so efficient, you'd think he'd dig one deep grave instead of two shallow ones.

I would imagine there were time constraints, and fear of getting caught. Dig 2 shallow graves quickly rather than one large one, and he would of needed a deeper one for all four victims.

 

[tmar]

I almost think this is the best possible scenario. The entire trial has been so disjointed, with intermittent testimony, infighting, attorneys pushing the envelope, etc. I am honestly amazed no one higher up has stepped in to get this judge moving and the trial on track.
Isn’t anyone in a position to do something about it noticing how poorly this trial is progressing?

I was involved in a Landscaping dispute.
The elderly Magistrate allowed this to drag on, for a couple of years, due to the Defendant and Defence.
Suddenly, it was stated, the Magistrate will no longer be present, the case has been stopped.
All the past records will no longer be used.

After 6 months, with the new Magistrate residing, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE COURT, the case was completed in 3 DAYS!!!!!
I won.
A large percentage of my Attorney costs for initial case, was refunded, by the Court.
Luckily, the 'higher ups' intervened, and took over.
MOO.

 

[smr]

All graves in the desert are shallow

I'm not sure about that. How do you know, from study? theory? experience?

So tell me what the issue is with him saying 2 shallow graves? What does that prove?

1. So what does that prove? Is that supposed to show that he was involved in the burial of the bodies?

What does Chase's using past tense prove?