CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #14

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  • #781
All graves in the desert are shallow

So tell me what the issue is with him saying 2 shallow graves? What does that prove?

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My fear is that I’m looking for two adult shallow graves and… my two nephews’ crosses,” Michael McStay told the Register in March 2010. “If there’s no evidence of foul play at the house, like police said, it doesn’t mean there’s not a crime scene elsewhere.”


Google cartel shallow graves - they bury their victims in shallow graves. Many articles attest to this. Since Mexico was on the radar at the time, perhaps he felt his family fell victim to a cartel.

Cartels are also involved with sex trafficking of children. Mike also made several comments about the possibility of the children falling victim to it.
 
  • #782
The practical problem with these kinds of ideas is Mike likely had a solid alibi which is why he was discarded as a possible suspect

I’m surprised the PT didn’t bring this up in cross. It would have helped to remove any doubt, IMO.
 
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  • #784
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My fear is that I’m looking for two adult shallow graves and… my two nephews’ crosses,” Michael McStay told the Register in March 2010. “If there’s no evidence of foul play at the house, like police said, it doesn’t mean there’s not a crime scene elsewhere.”


Google cartel shallow graves - they bury their victims in shallow graves. Many articles attest to this. Since Mexico was on the radar at the time, perhaps he felt his family fell victim to a cartel.

Cartels are also involved with sex trafficking of children. Mike also made several comments about the possibility of the children falling victim to it.
As per moderators request i don't think we are allowed to discuss any drug cartel involvement in this case, because it has never been found to be the case by LE.
But you could check that with a mod. if you want.
Perhaps MM was just going through all kinds of horrible scenarios in his mind not knowing what happened to his brother and family? The longer they were missing i think it certainly would be in your thoughts as to worse case scenario, if there was no contact from them IMO.
 
  • #785
I’m surprised the PT didn’t bring this up in cross. It would have helped to remove any doubt, IMO.
Do they normally do that in a Trial? There were other possibilities as to who could of been involved as well weren't there, DK? Perhaps CJ as accomplice? But so far no one else has been implicated or charged in the murders. And didn't the defense just deny MM's involvement in the crime in the latest video of him taking the witness stand when the PT made that an issue? That the DT didn't think he was involved even though they called him to testify again.
 
  • #786
As per moderators request i don't think we are allowed to discuss any drug cartel involvement in this case, because it has never been found to be the case by LE.
But you could check that with a mod. if you want.
Perhaps MM was just going through all kinds of horrible scenarios in his mind not knowing what happened to his brother and family? The longer they were missing i think it certainly would be in your thoughts as to worse case scenario, if there was no contact from them IMO.

I agree. MM was just trying to think of why his family was missing.

I'm sure he tossed around every idea he could think of at the time to possibly explain why all four had disappeared.

It's common for in laws to have tifts with each other at times about things they dont agree on. I found Mike's disagreement with Summer a trivial tift. Much ado about nothing. They would have worked it out, but were never given a chance.

No way, no how would MM have the raw rage, and hatred it took to murder all four of his family, including murdering his two little nephews.

I really detest the defense stooped so low as to imply MM may have murdered them. I think the jury will be incensed as well.

I'm also glad judge Smith made it clear there is no evidence MM committed these murders.

Plus I thought the defense is DK is the one? What it shows is all they can do is sling mud.

This defense is very typical. It isn't as they promised in their build up in OS. They haven't put forth one piece of evidence or witness that disproves the state's case. Thus far all they have done is try lamely to distract.

Missy said she remembers posters said finding shallow graves with dead bodies in the desert wasn't common. I recall it much differently. There was much discussion at the time, how it is common for the desert to be an area where bodies are found in shallow graves.

Iirc news articles were linked showing other victims who had been found in shallow graves in the desert. A common dumping ground where murderers place the bodies. These jurors know that as well, imo.

Most murders who buried their victims did bury them in shallow graves. Due to ground soil, not only in the desert, but other areas of the country as well, often makes it difficult to dig a six by six foot deep hole, plus it takes a lot of time.

And that is enough for one body to be concealed. Here CM had four so he dug two shallow graves. This saved him having to dig deep, and wide holes, and it also was much quicker, and we know how CM likes to cut corners.

I do understand travelbug believing this trial will not end in a unanimous verdict.

Then I reflected back to the other trials I have followed, and realized that is commonly said on all of them. Just like some seem to commonly believe the state hasn't proven the case, or the defendant is innocent, no matter who's trial was being held.

So in the end what we may or may not believe in any case, has no bearing on what the juries believed, since 99.8 end in a unanimous verdict, one way or the other. Our thought, and opinions, simply isnt representative of how any verdict will end.

Jmo
 
  • #787
Do they normally do that in a Trial? There were other possibilities as to who could of been involved as well weren't there, DK? Perhaps CJ as accomplice? But so far no one else has been implicated or charged in the murders. And didn't the defense just deny MM's involvement in the crime in the latest video of him taking the witness stand when the PT made that an issue? That the DT didn't think he was involved even though they called him to testify again.

It was priceless how the state made an important issue of the defense insinuating MM killed his family. I find the state prosecutors has done a masterful job, not only in their own case, but during all crosses of the defense witnesses. Imo it will continue.

Imo, jurors dont like it when the defendant's only defense is to place blame on someone else other than who is on trial. This passing the buck rarely hoodwinks juries who know why they are there, and who they are there to judge.

Now if the defense can put up irrefutable evidence they have accused the wrong one, they will take notice.

But simply slinging mud isnt evidence of anything other than maybe the smell of desperation.

Imo
 
  • #788
The practical problem with these kinds of ideas is Mike likely had a solid alibi which is why he was discarded as a possible suspect


Like the same solid alibi DK is meant to have and yet we saw zero proof of it.
 
  • #789
Didn't Joseph McStay have more than one laptop? Didn't sources close to JM say he also owned a Hewlett-Packard?
The Dell laptop was listed in the San Diego Sheriff’s warrants as being in the kitchen. This is the one Mike removed from the home and later returned.

According to Mike... He took the E-MACHINE, which is a tower, this was not a laptop. I'm not sure where the laptop came from but it's incorrect according to Mike.
 
  • #790
As per moderators request i don't think we are allowed to discuss any drug cartel involvement in this case, because it has never been found to be the case by LE.
But you could check that with a mod. if you want.
Perhaps MM was just going through all kinds of horrible scenarios in his mind not knowing what happened to his brother and family? The longer they were missing i think it certainly would be in your thoughts as to worse case scenario, if there was no contact from them IMO.

Mike was going through all sorts of horrible scenario's at the time, he was even posting on InSession's at the time, no way he wasn't reading all the "theories", and there were lots. Unfortunately, it was just part of the case at the time when exploring different scenario's. His state of mind or what he "thought" at the time is relevant when considering his statement about the 2 shallow graves IMO.
 
  • #791
@Mica Just to clarify here is what Tricia said, on page #5 of this thread.
RSBM
Hi Everyone,

There is an agenda here and I am not going to allow anyone to use Websleuths to support their own agenda.

The case we are discussing is the trial of Chase Merritt in the McStay family murders.

If evidence is presented in court of a cartel then yes we can discuss it. If not then we need to stop bringing it up.
 
  • #792
I’m surprised the PT didn’t bring this up in cross. It would have helped to remove any doubt, IMO.
I was expecting them to show his phone records, and they didn't :confused: Maline showed Mike his cell records but of course, they didn't have cell tower info or they were never analyzed or maybe they never got a detailed Call record?
 
  • #793
@Mica Just to clarify here is what Tricia said, on page #5 of this thread.
RSBM
Hi Everyone,

There is an agenda here and I am not going to allow anyone to use Websleuths to support their own agenda.

The case we are discussing is the trial of Chase Merritt in the McStay family murders.

If evidence is presented in court of a cartel then yes we can discuss it. If not then we need to stop bringing it up.

If we are discussing Mike's statement in a media article that is now evidence and trying to put it into perspective and in context ... and if we want to give it any other explanation other than he dug the 2 shallow graves, IMO if this was something that was happening at the time (cartel stuff) and was even a 'thought' of Mikes, it can put the comment in a different context. I am not sure how we can discuss the comment without discussing why he may have said it. JMO

Maybe @Tricia could give us some guidance here so no one is posting something they shouldn't.
 
  • #794
If we are discussing Mike's statement in a media article that is now evidence and trying to put it into perspective and in context ... and if we want to give it any other explanation other than he dug the 2 shallow graves, IMO if this was something that was happening at the time (cartel stuff) and was even a 'thought' of Mikes, it can put the comment in a different context. I am not sure how we can discuss the comment without discussing why he may have said it. JMO

Maybe @Tricia could give us some guidance here so no one is posting something they shouldn't.
I'm not sure either, that is why i just posted up what Tricia said earlier in this thread? Perhaps we are only allowed to discuss what has come out in the Trial about it, which hasn't happened so far as i am aware?
 
  • #795
Like the same solid alibi DK is meant to have and yet we saw zero proof of it.

If it's the defense claim DK doesnt have an alibi, it's on them to prove he doesn't have one, since they are the ones making the claim to this jury.

It's on them about MM too. So if they are wanting to imply MM had no alibi, nothing was stopping them from presenting evidence of that.

It's not the state's responsibility to prove anyone else's alibi one way or the other that isn't even on trial.

They are only required to put forth evidence against the accused.

These are defense claims, and the jury will expect THEM...not the state...to support those claims.

Imo
 
  • #796
Listening now. Mike took a lie detector test? Didn't know that. Joseph wanted him to learn welding so he could replace Chase.
 
  • #797
I'm not sure either, that is why i just posted up what Tricia said earlier in this thread? Perhaps we are only allowed to discuss what has come out in the Trial about it, which hasn't happened so far as i am aware?

Yes, I think what is to be discussed is what each witness actually testified to in the trial.

Did those other things mentioned long ago by Mike come into the actual trial?

Imo
 
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Yes, I think what is to be discussed is what each witness actually testified to in the trial.

Did those other things mentioned long ago by Mike come into the actual trial?

Imo
I'm not sure Ocean. I haven't listened to all of the videos yet, so maybe someone else could let us know?
 
  • #800
According to Mike... He took the E-MACHINE, which is a tower, this was not a laptop. I'm not sure where the laptop came from but it's incorrect according to Mike.
Well according to this and did JM own one of those?
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eMachines was a brand of low-end personal computers. In 2004, it was acquired by Gateway, Inc., which was in turn acquired by Acer Inc. in 2007. The eMachines brand was discontinued in 2013.
eMachines - Wikipedia
 
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