CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #15

[Force Ten]

Sorry to jump in and change the subject but years ago I remember reading that CM had told people he took a lie detector test.
I recently reviewed the case and found the same information, but nothing about whether it was verified or if he passed a lie detector test.
Does anyone know?

I don't recall it being discussed in any testimony but the tests aren't admissible in court because of their inaccuracies.

 

[Mony Mony]

Hope we get the remainder of yesterday's testimony soon.

 

[Karinna]

Or how someone else got into email.



RSBM

Such as "JM was planning to fire CM", CM swinging a (dead?) cat.

BBM, JM's mother SB testified at trial to this fact.

 

[Karinna]

There's no known violent history - known being the key word.

I think a 2 hour session of smacking his young son is violent.

It's interesting that the Hare Psychopathy checklist lists criminal versatility as a trait - which means a diversity of crimes committed and from what I've read it doesn't have to be crimes that resulted in arrests or convictions.

Another item on the checklist is revocation of conditional release - he did violate his probation conditions.

Many other items on the checklist could be applied to what we know about him, including pathological lying.

He lied about purchasing QB because Joey wanted to hide his wealth from Summer, he impersonated Joey on the phone call, he lied about phoning Joey all weekend, he lied about Metro holding onto the cheques because they had a bank account problem, he lied about knowing he was at home that evening, he lied by giving different answers about the missed call and when he said he regretted not answering it, he lied about going to Joey's house first before going to see Susan (it was the other way around), he even made up a lie on the spot about two president's days.

JMO

BBM, Yes it's called child abuse IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sorry to jump in and change the subject but years ago I remember reading that CM had told people he took a lie detector test.
I recently reviewed the case and found the same information, but nothing about whether it was verified or if he passed a lie detector test.
Does anyone know?

Not one person with the police department has ever verified his claim.

He either assumed he passed or the frightening other option is he is another sociopath, like the Green River killer, Gary Ridgeway, who passed his polygraph with flying colors.

Detectives have long discussed why some killers are able to pass polys, and they are stone cold murderers who possess absolutely no remorse.

So when given one their blood pressure doesn't even rise or fall, due to not having any emotional response, when questioned about the victims they have murdered.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

Mike told deputy Tingley when he made the missing person's report on Feb 15th that Merritt told him he had hacked into Joey's email and PayPal accounts. It's in Mike's testimony at timestamp 45:37 to 46:20

and in deputy Tingley's testimony it was also raised that Mike reported the PayPal detail as information he felt he shouldn't be telling him and Tingley wrote his words down as a direct quote. My take is that Mike didn't want to get Merritt into trouble. Timestamp 3:17 to 4:27.

I also think there's a possibility Merritt didn't reply to the email QuickBooks sent Joey because that would be evidence he had hacked in after Joey disappeared given that the call could be traced back to him. It was put to Cathy Jarvis that they (plural) changed phone carriers on Feb 17th, the date of Merritt's interview with detectives.

JMO

Since you now want to "stick to the evidence", Mike was asked about that in his cross exam. About 41:00. That along with the information I have outside of the testimony, which I hope they will show, I highly SPECULATE, it was DAN that accessed the emails and the Paypal. I find it really hard to believe that Chase would send Dan money instead of himself if he had access to the Paypal account.

 

[missy1974]

There was some discussion about an email that had been forwarded to Chase (I think) from Joseph’s email, if I am recalling correctly. It was like weeks after they went missing.

There was, and IMO that email was forwarded from someone in San Diego. I can't link it here, but when that was first being discussed, that part was left out.

 

[missy1974]

and? I don't see the significance in the family doing it.

doing what? Getting the information for online accounts like email, financials, etc.? Mike testified that he asked Dugal what they would do, what they would look for, financials was one of those things. It has been heavily speculated that Chase had access to all the emails and all of Joey's accounts, the only thing I have seen proof of is that he had access to the Custom Quickbooks account. I have seen no evidence that he had access to Paypal, the banking, the various emails Joey had, hotmail, eip emails, yahoo, etc. Someone did have access, I don't believe it was Chase IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't recall it being discussed in any testimony but the tests aren't admissible in court because of their inaccuracies.

Yes, I know, but I would be interested to know if he actually did take the test and what the results were. From what I remember he was asked by the interviewer if he passed and he said he "assumed" so. It may have been the CNN interview, I really don't remember. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Not one person with the police department has ever verified his claim.

He either assumed he passed or the frightening other option is he is another sociopath, like the Green River killer, Gary Ridgeway, who passed his polygraph with flying colors.

Detectives have long discussed why some killers are able to pass polys, and they are stone cold murderers who possess absolutely no remorse.

So when given one their blood pressure doesn't even rise or fall, due to not having any emotional response, when questioned about the victims they have murdered.

Imo

Thank you. I always wondered if his claim that he had taken one was true or not.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM, Yes it's called child abuse IMO.

I cringed how he boasted about abusing his own child for 2 HOURS.

It shows he is certainly capable of abusing, and murdering two little boys who he seem to detest. If he is that cruel, and harsh to his own child, it makes me shudder how mean he was against J Jr. & little G. These poor little babies had to be totally terrified, and crying their little hearts out before he murdered them.

Imo he is a sociopath. They do not view things as normal people sees them.

That is the very reason he boasted about abusing his child for 2 hours!!! Imo he is an overbearing control freak.

That is the very reason he saw nothing wrong by disparaging, and lying about the very woman he knew all along he had murdered in cold blood. Gah! I detest this man, and what he has done.

To him he thought all of those things he spewed were acceptable norms, when anyone else hearing it would know immediately this was not acceptable normal behavior from a man who was proclaiming he was Joey's best friend.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

From the first search warrant listed in the warrants:

Based upon the totality of the above information, my training and experience, there is probable cause to believe the residence of 34 73 Avocado Vista Lane is the crime scene for this murder investigation. The futon cover was used to wrap Joseph McStay and three pillows were missing along with all of the pillow covers.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/mcstay_warrants.pdf

 

[Karinna]

doing what? Getting the information for online accounts like email, financials, etc.? Mike testified that he asked Dugal what they would do, what they would look for, financials was one of those things. It has been heavily speculated that Chase had access to all the emails and all of Joey's accounts, the only thing I have seen proof of is that he had access to the Custom Quickbooks account. I have seen no evidence that he had access to Paypal, the banking, the various emails Joey had, hotmail, eip emails, yahoo, etc. Someone did have access, I don't believe it was Chase IMO

BBM,
(quote)
Yes, I reviewed it and spoke with Detective Ryan Smith.
11 Q Okay. With regard to the Custom account, were any checks
12 from, you said it was opened in January of 2008, from January of
13 2008 until February 1st, 2010, were any checks listed on
14 QuickBooks or written from QuickBooks on the Custom side of the
15 account?
16 A On the Custom side, no.
17 Q So, all the checks during that time period were listed on
18 the other account?
19 A On the Contact account, yes.
State of California VS Charles Ray Merritt.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

doing what? Getting the information for online accounts like email, financials, etc.? Mike testified that he asked Dugal what they would do, what they would look for, financials was one of those things. It has been heavily speculated that Chase had access to all the emails and all of Joey's accounts, the only thing I have seen proof of is that he had access to the Custom Quickbooks account. I have seen no evidence that he had access to Paypal, the banking, the various emails Joey had, hotmail, eip emails, yahoo, etc. Someone did have access, I don't believe it was Chase IMO

Why do you dismiss the option it could have been Chase?

What excludes him if I may ask?

Imo

 

[la2cabo]

doing what? Getting the information for online accounts like email, financials, etc.? Mike testified that he asked Dugal what they would do, what they would look for, financials was one of those things. It has been heavily speculated that Chase had access to all the emails and all of Joey's accounts, the only thing I have seen proof of is that he had access to the Custom Quickbooks account. I have seen no evidence that he had access to Paypal, the banking, the various emails Joey had, hotmail, eip emails, yahoo, etc. Someone did have access, I don't believe it was Chase IMO

Your original post said "anyone want to take bets it was the family?...
I don't understand why the family moving a piece of paper has any significance.

 

[missy1974]

BBM,
(quote)
Yes, I reviewed it and spoke with Detective Ryan Smith.
11 Q Okay. With regard to the Custom account, were any checks
12 from, you said it was opened in January of 2008, from January of
13 2008 until February 1st, 2010, were any checks listed on
14 QuickBooks or written from QuickBooks on the Custom side of the
15 account?
16 A On the Custom side, no.
17 Q So, all the checks during that time period were listed on
18 the other account?
19 A On the Contact account, yes.
State of California VS Charles Ray Merritt.

That is incorrect, like many things from the Preliminary hearing IMO I am relying on the testimony in the trial.

 

[la2cabo]

Delete

 

[Karinna]

That is incorrect, like many things from the Preliminary hearing IMO I am relying on the testimony in the trial.

So are you saying LE got their investigative evidence wrong in the Prelim. about JM's accounts which got this case to trial in the first place?
Could you please explain what they got wrong because i'm not sure what you're saying? Thanks.

 

[la2cabo]

Just wanna note... those pics of paperwork... Denys Williams was asked where they came from, she said they were on top of hte container, she figured someone else put them there....

anyone wanna take bets that it was the family? LOL

This is the original post I'm referring to.

 

[Force Ten]

That is incorrect, like many things from the Preliminary hearing IMO I am relying on the testimony in the trial.

Wasn't the same testified to in the trial?