CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #15

[Bobcat1]

Here are some answer to question I asked Patrick or we have discussed in the past.

#739 Yes his opinion of Merritt and his involvement changed but it was long before his arrest. He and people working with him had much more information that some here want to admit or accept. There is number of things that show violence from Merritt.
#1 The women who worked with him that found the box of papers with a number of tax notices/unpaid taxes for employees
#2 His punching holes or hitting the walls when he was mad as other employees also said
#3 The fact she was afraid of him and wouldn't meet alone with him to even get her final check she had a Sheriff Deputy go with her and Merritt hid in his shop and wouldn't answer the door.
#4 She then had to meet him in a public place because she was so afraid of him to get that final check Her father went with her that time.
#5 The cat story
#6 Witnesses to fights in bars and Merritt liked to fight according to them
#7 Miners who also were afraid of him and stated so.

So there is plenty of information that questioned Merritts violence and against his being a choirboy

Now as to DK and his being a partner. Not a chance. Patrick was fully aware of the DK PAYOFF DK was paid off to get him out of control of the website because JM knew DK could ruin his life and the business. Thats all that was and why Patrick said it was a payoff not a buyout. It was more of a bribe to get rid of him.
Now as all the people who think they know it all you are wrong. However there was water company that DK begged JM to be partners in with him and JM finally relented and said he would be his partner to keep DK happy and out of EIP. That al was in 2009. So as Patrick told me there is far more to things than people know.

 

[smr]

Right, he has no violent history that he was ever arrested for. Does this support CM killed the family of 4?

Why not? Many murderers have zero history of violent crimes before the murders.

So, let me get this right:

Many murders have zero history of violent crimes,

Therefore,

CM's having no violent history of crimes support the belief that he killed the family of 4.

Many people get lung cancer even though they never smoked.

Therefore, I'm afraid I'll get lung cancer, because I never smoked.

 

[Force Ten]

RSBM, BBM

Given that MM apparently suspected CM from the beginning (March 2010) as shown in that video interview, why would he try not to get CM into trouble? It defies logic.

What made MM suspect CM so early, when:
1. It's not certain if the family has met foul play.
2. CM has not used past tense or said "I was definitely the last person he spoke to", yet.
3. MM was unaware of any evidence that we have seen the PT presented in the court.

So why did he apparently suspect CM? I would like to to know if he voiced his suspicion to the LE, and it will be interesting to see him testify why CM's name was on his lips so quickly in that March 2010 interview.

Not sure why you're hellbent on focusing about the possibility of Mike suspecting Merritt's involvement. It's actually natural for anyone to suspect someone who was last involved with their missing loved one. How is that hard to understand?

This is borderline sleuthing a family member imo.

 

[Mica]

Here are some answer to question I asked Patrick or we have discussed in the past.

#739 Yes his opinion of Merritt and his involvement changed but it was long before his arrest. He and people working with him had much more information that some here want to admit or accept. There is number of things that show violence from Merritt.
#1 The women who worked with him that found the box of papers with a number of tax notices/unpaid taxes for employees
#2 His punching holes or hitting the walls when he was mad as other employees also said
#3 The fact she was afraid of him and wouldn't meet alone with him to even get her final check she had a Sheriff Deputy go with her and Merritt hid in his shop and wouldn't answer the door.
#4 She then had to meet him in a public place because she was so afraid of him to get that final check Her father went with her that time.
#5 The cat story
#6 Witnesses to fights in bars and Merritt liked to fight according to them
#7 Miners who also were afraid of him and stated so.

So there is plenty of information that questioned Merritts violence and against his being a choirboy

Now as to DK and his being a partner. Not a chance. Patrick was fully aware of the DK PAYOFF DK was paid off to get him out of control of the website because JM knew DK could ruin his life and the business. Thats all that was and why Patrick said it was a payoff not a buyout. It was more of a bribe to get rid of him.
Now as all the people who think they know it all you are wrong. However there was water company that DK begged JM to be partners in with him and JM finally relented and said he would be his partner to keep DK happy and out of EIP. That al was in 2009. So as Patrick told me there is far more to things than people know.

Thank you bobcat1 for responding to my question related to DK not being a partner in EIP.

 

[smr]

Not sure why you're hellbent on focusing about the possibility of Mike suspecting Merritt's involvement. It's actually natural for anyone to suspect someone who was last involved with their missing loved one. How is that hard to understand?

I was simply thinking maybe there was something suspicious about CM that we have not heard from the testimonies so far.

 

[Bobcat1]

Add to #739

Let me add that I also read about Merritts abuse of his own son. With that and all the other information which I would believe is not all there is. It surely seems like a violent past to me. MOO

 

[Force Ten]

Here are some answer to question I asked Patrick or we have discussed in the past.

#739 Yes his opinion of Merritt and his involvement changed but it was long before his arrest. He and people working with him had much more information that some here want to admit or accept. There is number of things that show violence from Merritt.
#1 The women who worked with him that found the box of papers with a number of tax notices/unpaid taxes for employees
#2 His punching holes or hitting the walls when he was mad as other employees also said
#3 The fact she was afraid of him and wouldn't meet alone with him to even get her final check she had a Sheriff Deputy go with her and Merritt hid in his shop and wouldn't answer the door.
#4 She then had to meet him in a public place because she was so afraid of him to get that final check Her father went with her that time.
#5 The cat story
#6 Witnesses to fights in bars and Merritt liked to fight according to them
#7 Miners who also were afraid of him and stated so.

So there is plenty of information that questioned Merritts violence and against his being a choirboy

Now as to DK and his being a partner. Not a chance. Patrick was fully aware of the DK PAYOFF DK was paid off to get him out of control of the website because JM knew DK could ruin his life and the business. Thats all that was and why Patrick said it was a payoff not a buyout. It was more of a bribe to get rid of him.
Now as all the people who think they know it all you are wrong. However there was water company that DK begged JM to be partners in with him and JM finally relented and said he would be his partner to keep DK happy and out of EIP. That al was in 2009. So as Patrick told me there is far more to things than people know.

Water Feature Supply.

 

[la2cabo]

Add to #739

Let me add that I also read about Merritts abuse of his own son. With that and all the other information which I would believe is not all there is. It surely seems like a violent past to me. MOO

Bobcat1,

Please give my regards to Mr. McStay when you next speak with him and let him know I think about him every single day. I'm trying to get to the trial at least one day to see him but life has been very busy for me. I hope he's doing well and will be able to put this all behind him (as much as possible) very soon. Thank you.

 

[Tortoise]

This is what CM had to say about Dan's role in the business - who knows if he was lying or not and what his motive would be to lie about it.

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TD: What’s Dan’s role?
CM: Dan is the web guy. He actually, to the best of my knowledge, he owns part of EIP, Joseph was buying him off

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CM: Well Joseph owns EIP, Dan runs the website, he owns, Dan I believe owns the website, Joseph was buying the website from him and I know for a fact that Joseph only owed him two more thousand dollars, and it was paid off. And then he was only going to be paying him to run the website instead of paying him a percentage of sales, ok.

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CM: I mean I knew of his existence, I knew his role in Joseph’s business, I knew um that Joseph was almost, had almost paid him off and I think he was paying him $50,000 for his part of the business, I think that was the number - I’m not ev.. not even sure about that, but I know that he only had $2,000 left, to pay. And Joseph was going to then own Earth Inspired Products and just pay him to run the website, instead of them being partners. Because up until he paid him off he was his partner, I know that. Um, he would talk about that all the time. Because Joseph was always afraid. 6, 7 months ago Joseph and Dan had a…..a spat, I don’t know exactly what, how, you know, how deep it was or anything so it was 6 or 7 months ago, I think, maybe, I’m sorry I don’t know, but they……decided at that time that Joseph was going to pay him for the, for his part of the business and for what he had done to build the websites and stuff

ETA - posted at same time as Bobcat1 and not intended in any way to dispute that information - I was already copy pasting the info before I saw that post and just to clarify this is not my opinion it is for information about what CM stated.

 

[la2cabo]

^^^ Thank you! I believe it's the same in the U.S. I remember in the very early testimonies by MM, the prosecution started mentioning CM's past crime history by alluding that CM didn't want to enter the house because he had a record. IIRC it was objected by DT.

So I really hope people refrain from citing his ex-con status as an argument in favor of CM being guilty of murder.

RBBM: Surely you're not telling people how to post...

 

[travelbug]

Here are some answer to question I asked Patrick or we have discussed in the past.

#739 Yes his opinion of Merritt and his involvement changed but it was long before his arrest. He and people working with him had much more information that some here want to admit or accept. There is number of things that show violence from Merritt.QUOTE)

As I have mentioned frequently, I have no personal connection to this case. I am analytical and intentionally remain neutral until the case gets to the jurors. The reality is that anyone can claim to be "an insider" and have personal knowledge of facts and feelings not in evidence". But, that becomes "hearsay" unless testified to during the trial. If I were to accept your statements as true, then I would also be obligated to accept similar statements from personal friends of CM. I only consider the testimony and evidence from those who speak after being sworn in. We have testimony from family in behalf of both the defendant and the victims. If PM has relevant testimony it should be presented, in person, and under oath.
The jury doesn't care about our opinions and doesn't know anything about the personal lives of the family or the defendant. They will be basing their verdict on the facts as presented.
If everyone was tried by internet fed opinion our justice system would fail to exist.

 

[smr]

RBBM: Surely you're not telling people how to post...

Of course not. I said "hope", because, as you can see, how many words have been spent on the back and forth. It's my opinion that it would be more effective to focus on evidence than past crime history. I hope I'm being understood.

 

[smr]

 

[smr]

Really hard to keep track without any subtitles

 

[fridaybaker]

I don't think the two timed felon is guilty simply because he is a two timed felon. The evidence (IMO) points to CM as the guilty party.

"Two-timed felon" doesn't make him guilty, of course; however, it's all part of the picture, in my book.

 

[LadyL]

where is the info coming from about CM beating his son?

 

[LadyL]

The PT has not proved without a reasonable doubt that this two-timed felon is gulity.

There are many multi-timed felons who never killed.

And by the way, smacking his son (if true--I don't know) is of totally different nature than murdering a family. I know more than a few men who beat up their young sons to discipline them, who are some of the kindest people I've known, and their sons were thankful after growing up. In fact one of my elementary school classmate routinely came to class with a red palm print on his face from his father. Now as a grown man he loves and cares for his father.

men who beat up their sons are some of the kindest people you know???!!
you must not know very kind people IMO

 

[smr]

men who beat up their sons are some of the kindest people you know???!!
you must not know very kind people IMO

Yes. Believe or not. Many of them believed beating was good for the child.
And I know people who never beat up their children who were some of the rudest and nastiest and meanest I know.

 

[Texas Red]

Why not? Many murderers have zero history of violent crimes before the murders.

That's absolutely correct, anyone, no matter what past criminal history they have is capable of these killings. So, the fact that CM has a past history of theft related crimes certainly shouldn't cast any greater suspicion upon him than any others in the McStay's orbit.

 

[la2cabo]

Of course not. I said "hope", because, as you can see, how many words have been spent on the back and forth. It's my opinion that it would be more effective to focus on evidence than past crime history. I hope I'm being understood.

I wish Merritt's propensity for violence and lengthy criminal history could be introduced at trial as it speaks to the type of person he is. It clearly shows he has no regard or respect for laws/rules and and wants to do as he pleases, the hell with everyone else. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a killer but it also doesn't mean he is not a killer.