CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #15

[smr]

Why on earth would he lie about something so disgusting? I absolutely believe him. I think in his warped mind it somehow made him sound like a very caring and loving father when in fact it did the exact opposite.

Once one has set their mind on believing a person guilty....

 

[missy1974]

Has anyone actually listened to the testimony that came out today?

I am only partially through it and have not been able to take notes or anything, but I have to say, I'm impressed with the technology, regardless of what it says or doesn't say in this trial. The fact that it can take DNA that would be discarded or considered inconclusive in a regular lab and can develop profiles has to be a good thing for the justice system as a whole.

I still have no idea what the results of the testing is yet, but amazed at what they can do. JMO

 

[smr]

I can't comment on the statement that he lies about everything but I will say that in the situation he was in, and having murdered the McStay family IMO, it appears to me he would see some advantage in appearing to be honest and transparent by airing some dirty laundry and admitting something others may think of as a character flaw. It's a technique. He is a very practiced manipulator and has been for most of his life, IMO, based on his manner of talking too much, speaking over others, continuing on with sentences he has already started answering when he is interrupted, his many attempts to steer the interview and divert from questions asked.

JMO

BBM

In the event that he did not murder the family, would your belief about him lying change or not?

 

[Frankie Hellis]

Yes. I listened. I think the jurors are getting restless. Can we discuss the admonishments? Too many days off ? Judge says you can't talk about anything basically.

To be clear, these are the topics the jurors wanted to know if they could discuss among themselves. They weren’t asking the judge if he would discuss the topics with them. At least that is how I interpreted it.

 

[Texas Red]

I do think he lies when it works for him and in his favor.

If such logic were accurate it would then mean if he confesses to the killings he'd be lying.

 

[QueenBofOB]

Jean Valjean? Seriously? You are killing me. He ain't no Jean Valjean IMO.

Oh come now!! Don't you remember TM's riveting testimony, on how dear old dad was actually running to the casino's gambling, "for money to make car payments?" What a sacrifice, he made for his family!!

 

[MrsPC]

OMG on Part 1 of today's testimony - Beatriz Pujols from Cybergenetics is testifying. I googled and this gal just graduated highschool 2012. LOL !

 

[katydid23]

I think you didn't get my point. Please remember I only mentioned no violent history AFTER some of you used being ex-con to add to the support of CM killed the family. So to be clear: my point is, being ex-con, a non-violent ex-con, in no way add to the "CM is guilty" argument.

I disagree. There is a difference between someone with no criminal history and someone with a long criminal history for felony theft and receiving stolen goods and fraud and parole violations.

The difference is that the criminal has no regard for others boundaries or rights or their feelings. They make stupid, impulsive decisions and poor choices. They have little integrity and show no concern for their families and loved ones by continuing to make these rash wrong decisions.

In short,they know the difference between Right and Wrong but don’t care.


How does it add to the ‘guilty’ vs ‘not guilty’ argument against Chase?

Because Chase was a felon, he could not afford to be reported to the police for a crime. If that happened, and he was charged with theft or fraud by Joey, Chase would be facing a very serious sentence.


Someone who was not an ex-con would likely receive probation and walk away. But Chase was looking at some serious time.

And that goes to motive and explains why he would feel cornered by Joey if he got upset about the QB checks that were forged and cashed.

So it does matter that Chase has a criminal
Record. It shows his impulsive and erratic nature and it explains why he would feel desperate to stop Joey from reporting the check fraud.

 

[missy1974]

I noticed this in tweets... this is PART 2 from today, I don't see it listed on the youtube page, but L&C tweeted it.

 

[missy1974]

OMG on Part 1 of today's testimony - Beatriz Pujols from Cybergenetics is testifying. I googled and this gal just graduated highschool 2012. LOL !

Here are her qualifications, rather than listing them out from her testimony...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatrizpujols

 

[MrsPC]

Here are her qualifications, rather than listing them out from her testimony...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatrizpujols

yes, I already read that...but she just graduated highschool 2012. How can she be an "expert" with so little years of experience under her belt? LOL It's laughable in my opinion.

Forensic Analyst
June 2017 – Present 1 year 11 months
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

 

[missy1974]

yes, I already read that...but she just graduated highschool 2012. How can she be an "expert" with so little years of experience under her belt? LOL

Well, everyone starts somewhere, and my guess is that having younger analysts would probably be a good thing. This seems to be fairly new accepted technology... when I say new, I mean within the last 15-20 yrs if I heard correctly. Sometimes I think it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks... in this case, she is just a pup It sounds like she is more than qualified to do what she did, considering the majority of it was done by computer and IIRC, her work was looked at by 2 other analysts and then by Dr. Perlin before submitted.

I'm sure if there was any question about her qualifications we would have heard it in her cross exam... which I don't recall ;-)

 

[mom2chloe]

With due respect and in all honesty, I actually thought (and still think), when I read about his burglary crimes, that it's possible he committed the burglary in order to help his family. It reminded me of Jean Valjean who was jailed for 19 years for stealing bread to feed his nephew.

Surely you can agree that there is a difference in stealing bread and peanut butter to feed your family versus stealing anything because you habitually gambled away your paycheck? I’m not condoning either but there is a vast difference between the two! IMO

 

[Mony Mony]

OMG on Part 1 of today's testimony - Beatriz Pujols from Cybergenetics is testifying. I googled and this gal just graduated highschool 2012. LOL !

Really? Ugggghhhh. Well maybe she is some kind of prodigy/savant.

 

[katydid23]

Believing it was one person acting alone is not the issue. An 80 year old woman in a walker could overpower a family providing she had the right weapon and training. The part that gives pause is the fact it was done without any evidence being found at the crime scene, no witnesses even though they lived on a residential street with neighbors on three sides, one with video surveillance and poof the family just disappears into thin air. This is the scenario that makes it difficult to fathom that it was one person pulling this off.

So if 3 people were involved that would make more sense that there was no evidence left behind and no witnesses?

I think the circumstances make more sense that it was only 1 person and it was someone who was seen often so wouldn’t be noticed as out of place ....

The family would seem to go poof and vanish if the lone, unnoticed killer backed his truck in and carried the bodies out, shrouded in darkness...

 

[gitana1]

So, let me get this right:

Many murders have zero history of violent crimes,

Therefore,

CM's having no violent history of crimes support the belief that he killed the family of 4.

Many people get lung cancer even though they never smoked.

Therefore, I'm afraid I'll get lung cancer, because I never smoked.

Nope. But his lack of a criminal history doesn't mean he is less likely to have committed the crimes he standing trial for.

That's absolutely correct, anyone, no matter what past criminal history they have is capable of these killings. So, the fact that CM has a past history of theft related crimes certainly shouldn't cast any greater suspicion upon him than any others in the McStay's orbit.

The converse is not true. While a lack of a violent criminal history doesn't mean he is less likely to be guilty, a criminal history of a non-violent crime shows something about his character and propensity to break the law.

 

[missy1974]

Cybergenetics ... 90% of their work is done for prosecutors. The other 10% is for the defense, post convictions (he mentioned innocence projects earlier in testimony), and some family testing for paternity. I knew I mostly found that Dr. Perlin testified for the prosecution, but am still surprised by the split.

Of course, the TrueAllele software that is located n the crime labs, he says is 100% used by prosecutors.

 

[katydid23]

So, let me get this right:

Many murders have zero history of violent crimes,

Therefore,

CM's having no violent history of crimes support the belief that he killed the family of 4.

Many people get lung cancer even though they never smoked.

Therefore, I'm afraid I'll get lung cancer, because I never smoked.

To me,it is not about violent or nonviolent criminal history. It is the long criminal history itself that is relevant.

Why is his criminal history relevant to this crime?

Because Chase had just continued with his criminal behavior , and began stealing from his boss.

If Chase did not have a long criminal record then he wouldn’t have been in such a desperate situation on Feb 4th. But because he had his long non violent criminal history, he was facing a very long prison term if Joey pressed charges.

So in my opinion, his criminal history had a big impact in this case.

 

[katydid23]

That's absolutely correct, anyone, no matter what past criminal history they have is capable of these killings. So, the fact that CM has a past history of theft related crimes certainly shouldn't cast any greater suspicion upon him than any others in the McStay's orbit.

Except for the fact that his criminal history put him in a very desperate situation on February 4th when his fraudulent check cleared the bank.

 

[katydid23]

RSBM

Thanks for the quote. Well, guess what, I didn't even expect this, but: I have a better opinion of Chase than before I read this. It reinforced my opinion that Chase sounds like a loving father (recall the discussion on that a while back?).

Honestly, when I mentioned I've known men who beat their children but were some of the kindest men, those men didn't even sound so loving to their children as Chase.

People see what they want to see. If you want to believe Chase is a violent man, you pick the "I paddled his butt", but to me, that's nothing, not even close to the violence that could progress into murder. Absolutely Zero implication here. The only thing this tells me is Chase seems to be a loving father.

Loving fathers don’t spend thousands of dollars gambling while his family is close to eviction for non payment of rent