CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #16

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Good morning everyone!

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[Texas Red]

hmm, her dead body?

The fact that SM is dead is evidence that CM hated her? Okay, if you say so, however, IMO, I don't think a rational jury with any logical common sense whatsoever would be inclined to think the same.

 

[fridaybaker]

Who knows, maybe someday you'll be a prosecutor here in the US.

PRAY YES!

 

[Force Ten]

Hated her enough to murder her! That's a pretty strong statement. What exactly would that evidence be?

We can start with his public disdain for her, even in death. The wife of his "best friend". Chase is real gem of a friend. It's no secret now the extreme friction between the two that has been testified to. The amount of blows to Summer are absolute overkill and indicate extreme rage and hatred. She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced for "chase merritt" and his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway, pulling out.

Where is the evidence to support Chase was anywhere else than murdering Summer in the home?

 

[Force Ten]

The fact that SM is dead is evidence that CM hated her? Okay, if you say so, however, IMO, I don't think a rational jury with any logical common sense whatsoever would be inclined to think the same.

Common sense and rationality ended on the afternoon of February 4.

 

[Texas Red]

I'm just curious here. How do you know Chase Merritt has nothing to hide?

His past behavior towards LE he's answered all their questions and took a polygraph he's been more forthcoming than any to the other potential suspects.

 

[Karinna]

The fact that SM is dead is evidence that CM hated her? Okay, if you say so, however, IMO, I don't think a rational jury with any logical common sense whatsoever would be inclined to think the same.

CM spoke badly about SM publically after she had been brutally murdered. Who does that? After CM inserted himself into the McStay's life, pretending to be their friend, and to the point some of the neighbours thought he lived there.

 

[Texas Red]

We can start with his public disdain for her, even in death. The wife of his "best friend". Chase is real gem of a friend. It's no secret now the extreme friction between the two that has been testified to. The amount of blows to Summer are absolute overkill and indicate extreme rage and hatred. She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced for "chase merritt" and his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway, pulling out.

Where is the evidence to support Chase was anywhere else than murdering Summer in the home?

"She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced"
"his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway"
I don't see see any evidence of hatred towards her. Oh well it's been nice chatting with everyone and exchanging ideas but I must leave now, I have a farm to tend to I must get the fields prepared for this years planting of Corn.

 

[la2cabo]

His past behavior towards LE he's answered all their questions and took a polygraph he's been more forthcoming than any to the other potential suspects.

Can you support your statement with any proof? How can you be so certain that "he's been more forthcoming than any to (of) the other potential suspects"? By the way, didn't he monumentally fail his polygraph?

 

[katydid23]

IMO, the fact that JM allowed CM to do so, he never filed a police report about it and continued to do business with CM means implied consent was granted by JM for CM to do so, which in turn means it was in fact not thievery and there's no prosecutor in the land that will charge a person with theft after such a pattern is established.

Wait, what are you referring to?

The fact that he didn't file a police report about what? The check Chase cashed on Feb 2nd?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That's hardly a motive, If being in debt is a motive for murder 80% of adults in the country are suspect.

That really doesn't mean anything though concerning this case.

If anyone keeps up with murder cases even a little, knows the motive of financial gain or greed is a very common motive with many killing for far less gain than CM..

We aren't talking about those who don't resort to murder though, but the countless ones who do so for the same motive as CM. Most sociopaths don't resort to murder either, but others do. Murderers are as individual as the murders they carry out for various motives. So what others may do or dont do has no relevancy to the ones who do commit murders.

People have murdered for far less. Heck there have been cases where someone was murdered because the murderer wanted to steal their cell phone or wanted the shoes the victim was wearing.

Imo, CM had many more motives than most to want Joey, and his family dead.

But the financial greed or gain is one of the reasons this is a death penalty case, besides two of the victims being little vulnerable children, under the age of 12, along with the murders of all four being extremely heinous, and cruel.

I don't think he knew Joey had discussed with DK his outrageous gambling debt loan Joey had done.

Imo, he thought that secret would die when Joey died. Imo, all along CM had no intentions of ever repaying his debt. Imo, by murdering Joey he thought his slate would be swept clean with no one ever knowing about it.

So he had 42,000 reasons to want the McStay family dead. Plus Joey was sick of him, and CM was on the way out right at the time Joey's company was skyrocketing.

Jmo

 

[fridaybaker]

Can you support your statement with any proof? How can you be so certain that "he's been more forthcoming than any to (of) the other potential suspects"? By the way, didn't he monumentally fail his polygraph?

Even Chase indicated he thought he didn't pass the poly. The whole "forthcoming" argument has no merit -no pun intended. Criminals often inject themselves into cases, it's incredibly common, and often a red flag for investigators.

Also, this is a bit of a problem I have here: How does anyone know exactly how forthcoming anyone has been with the investigation, unless they have insider knowledge? How does anyone really know if Chase has or doesn't have, anything to hide, unless they have insider knowledge?

I have some guesses, and I can know a little bit about cooperation with LE, etc., but I really don't know, categorically, what anyone has or doesn't have to hide, or if they've been fully cooperative and forthcoming during the investigation. I don't think anyone but an insider can know those things.

 

[katydid23]

"She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced"
"his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway"
I don't see see any evidence of hatred towards her. Oh well it's been nice chatting with everyone and exchanging ideas but I must leave now, I have a farm to tend to I must get the fields prepared for this years planting of Corn.

The evidence of his hatred is in his own words, when speaking of Summer.

 

[Bernina]

"She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced"
"his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway"
I don't see see any evidence of hatred towards her. Oh well it's been nice chatting with everyone and exchanging ideas but I must leave now, I have a farm to tend to I must get the fields prepared for this years planting of Corn.

Joseph McStay feared wife was POISONING him before they disappeared claims book | Daily Mail Online

"
And while he does not believe Summer was directly involved, he will dedicate a significant amount of the book to her behavior and the couple’s relationship.

He said: ‘Summer was a very self-centered, self-obsessed person with an awful temper. She really didn’t like anyone being around Joseph and the family other than herself and a very small, selective group of people.

‘Despite all the time I spent with Joseph, I had no kind of relationship with her. He would often come up and visit me and we would go out for dinner with my wife at the time, but Summer never came.

‘And when we were out she would call him constantly. He would try to ignore it at first, but she would call and call and eventually he would have to go off and deal with whatever drama there was.

‘She would shout at him in the privacy of their own home, but then put on a front like he was the most important person in the world when they were in public.

‘She would fawn over him and call him, ‘her Joseppi’. She was obsessed with the idea of being Italian and that was her name for him.

‘But despite that public front, I know, prior to their disappearance they had not had sex in more than a year. Basically, she wouldn’t let him near her. They slept in the same bed, but were never intimate.

‘Obviously that was a real problem for Joseph and he used to talk to me about it regularly. He told me when they had first got together they had a great sex life, but she just lost interest.

‘The impression I get is that Summer would use her sexuality to get attention and get what she wanted. Everything with her seemed to be done for gain.’"

 

[katydid23]

CM may have expended all of the signed checks and accounts still needed to be paid. What's really the difference between having blank pre-signed checks or having CM sign for JM. JM obviously trusted CM or he wouldn't have provided him with the blank pre-signed checks in the first place.

There is a very big difference between giving an employee a couple of signed checks to buy supplies, and giving them the password to your QuickBooks, and telling them to create their own checks, forge the signatures, delete any notifications in the logs, and cash them.

 

[mrjitty]

There is a very big difference between giving an employee a couple of signed checks to buy supplies, and giving them the password to your QuickBooks, and telling them to create their own checks, forge the signatures, delete any notifications in the logs, and cash them.

It's not even serious is it

 

[Force Ten]

"She was murdered in the same dwelling that a check was produced"
"his same truck is caught on camera leaving the Mcstay driveway"
I don't see see any evidence of hatred towards her. Oh well it's been nice chatting with everyone and exchanging ideas but I must leave now, I have a farm to tend to I must get the fields prepared for this years planting of Corn.

Make sure to use manure, there's plenty of it to spread around.

 

[KALI]

Yes. However proof, seems to be something most defence attorneys don't bother to produce. It's oftimes just a big act, con game.

One of my movie favorites is Richard Gere in THE MOVIE CHICAGO, singing as a defence attorney.

Of course it is. Even if not a legal burden they have subliminally shifted the burden of proof by what they have asserted to the jury to be true.

Once any defense puts forth to the jury someone specifically (by name) is the real killer, you can bet the bank, the jury is going to want to have irrefutable proof as to what they have asserted is factually true.

After all what they are really asking this jury to do is to set aside all of the compelling evidence entered thus far pointing to CM only, and now believe DK is SODDI instead.

They are the ones who declared this to be true in OS. Now the jury will expect them to man up proving what they have asserted.

Imo, they would have been much better off if they had made the SODDI suspect more generic by not naming anyone else specifically by name. Proclaiming they really dont know who did it, but know it wasnt the one accused on trial.

The DT in the Daron Wint quadruple murder case mistakenly did the very same thing specifically naming his two brothers as the (cough cough) real killers.

They crashed, and burned, because in the end, they were unable to produce any evidence to the jury this was remotely true, even though the DT had asserted it would be shown during the trial when they did their own OS.

IMO. It's never wise to over promise anything to any jury, and then not produce what they have promised.

Jmo

 

[Texas Red]

Make sure to use manure, there's plenty of it to spread around.

You are correct, are you also a farmer? If there's one thing corn likes as much as water it's manure. bye bye

 

[Force Ten]

Joseph McStay feared wife was POISONING him before they disappeared claims book | Daily Mail Online

"
And while he does not believe Summer was directly involved, he will dedicate a significant amount of the book to her behavior and the couple’s relationship.

He said: ‘Summer was a very self-centered, self-obsessed person with an awful temper. She really didn’t like anyone being around Joseph and the family other than herself and a very small, selective group of people.

‘Despite all the time I spent with Joseph, I had no kind of relationship with her. He would often come up and visit me and we would go out for dinner with my wife at the time, but Summer never came.

‘And when we were out she would call him constantly. He would try to ignore it at first, but she would call and call and eventually he would have to go off and deal with whatever drama there was.

‘She would shout at him in the privacy of their own home, but then put on a front like he was the most important person in the world when they were in public.

‘She would fawn over him and call him, ‘her Joseppi’. She was obsessed with the idea of being Italian and that was her name for him.

‘But despite that public front, I know, prior to their disappearance they had not had sex in more than a year. Basically, she wouldn’t let him near her. They slept in the same bed, but were never intimate.

‘Obviously that was a real problem for Joseph and he used to talk to me about it regularly. He told me when they had first got together they had a great sex life, but she just lost interest.

‘The impression I get is that Summer would use her sexuality to get attention and get what she wanted. Everything with her seemed to be done for gain.’"

Oh yes, then there is this.