CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #16

[Karinna]

For those people that are wondering about all the delays etc. in this trial, it is actually running on schedule IMO.
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Jury selection starts with a couple of hundred potential jurors coming into the courthouse each work day over the next two weeks to go through the application screening process until a panel is seated.

The lawyers are not expected to give their opening statements until January. The trial, including deliberations, may last an estimated four to six months.

Four years after arrest, jury screening starts in trial of man accused in McStay family murder case

 

[citygirl]

He's both a prosecution and a defense testifying witness, and the quote was in the testimony, Day 34, part 2, around 9:35:

(by the way, my original quote was correct, "voluntary missing", not "leaving")

P.S. Is he considered a victim or victim's family/relative? (Sincere question)

He is a witness.

 

[la2cabo]

He is a witness.

Are you referring to only his role in this video or in general?

 

[Karinna]

Let see it seems to me we had maybe 2 delays for the Judge, Doctor, Dentist. Then there was a sick juror, a jurors doctor appointment, a juror injured there arm or something and went to the hospital and then later another day had a doctors appointment for that. There were countless holidays (so many I can't even remember) on top of every Friday dark. Several times because the accused wasn't present caused by mix ups. Countless delays by the defense for no witness available or not scheduled. Then the witness schedules caused them to be unavailable. Then the delay from CM sister. Now the prosecution had a delay for MM and I think the QB witness which they then had him skyped and one time for scheduling. There may have been one more by the PT for an investigator unavailable.
The question I have is we have 12 jurors so why are there 6 alternate jurors, what is their function if not to replace a juror for a given reason. I thought they were there to take the place of a juror if a juror was excused for cause i.e., as discussing the case outside of the courtroom, sick or violated the court rules. So why when a juror missed a day for a doctors appointment why weren't they excused and an alternate take that persons place. Then when they returned if needed they could take the place of the alternate that was seated in their place. I guess that would make to much sense. Same thing for the person that had the injury. Why weren't they replaced immediately and the trial to go forth as schedule. I thought that was some of the reason there are alternate jurors. Just few of my questions.

JMO, i thought the alternates are there in case any of the regular jurors have to opt out of the trial for some reason and can't come back? But i could be wrong on that.

 

[Karinna]

He is a witness.

If you are talking about MM, he is a witness and a bereaved family member, is how i see it, IMO. Although i hope the DT have no more reason to call him back on the stand.

 

[SubtleGrace]

He had no obligation. I would expect family members and relatives to care more about their family than a business partner and friend.

Gee, I'm glad Shanann Watt's friend and business partner didn't feel that way!

 

[Force Ten]

Gee, I'm glad Shanann Watt's friend and business partner didn't feel that way!

I would call this the Post of the Week but it's only Monday.

 

[smr]

Oh, and I did reach out to someone who is more knowledgeable about dna than I am. He is a professor of chemistry. He said he didn’t have too much of an opinion other than the black box algorithms are controversial if they don’t release their source code. The same thing stated in the paper Missy posted. This Cybergenics company is pseudo science, as far as I am concerned. At least until their algorithm can be validated by outside sources.

BBM

I mentioned Dr. Perlin and linked the videos to someone who's a Physics professor with multiple degrees in physics, chemistry, biology (and IIRC also mathematics), who had done postdoc work with a Nobel Physics laureate and is more knowledgeable about DNA science than anyone else I know. He has a lot of positive things to say about Perlin's work.

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IMO, if the prosecution, in their attempt to obtain a conviction, must resort to using borderline junk science, the jury is going interpret the tactic as a desperate decoy because there’s no real evidence available.

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Rudin has a Phd in Computer Science, a Masters in Applied Mathematics, a multitude of patents. How do you conclude this is junk science? They're taking actual imagery and producing a clearer replica based on the original imagery.

CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #5

"Mark W. Perlin is the founder of Cybergenetics and the creator of the TrueAllele®technology. ...Before founding Cybergenetics, he was a senior research faculty member for ten years in the School of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU). Dr. Perlin received a BA in chemistry from the State University of New York at Binghamton, a Ph.D. in mathematics from the City University of New York Graduate School, an M.D. from the University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine, and a Ph.D. in computer science from CMU."

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[Force Ten]

BBM

I mentioned Dr. Perlin and linked the videos to someone who's a Physics professor with multiple degrees in physics, chemistry, biology (and IIRC also mathematics), who had done postdoc work with a Nobel Physics laureate and is more knowledgeable about DNA science than anyone else I know. He has a lot of positive things to say about Perlin's work.

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You can't compare Perlin to Rudin or Liscio. Two completely different fields imo.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

I mentioned Dr. Perlin and linked the videos to someone who's a Physics professor with multiple degrees in physics, chemistry, biology (and IIRC also mathematics), who had done postdoc work with a Nobel Physics laureate and is more knowledgeable about DNA science than anyone else I know. He has a lot of positive things to say about Perlin's work.

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CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #15

What specifically did this genius in DNA say? What did he say about the code not being available for it to be tested?

 

[mrjitty]

Or even what facts it accepts as, say 80% likely. I think there are pieces that can’t always be proved or disproved, but which pieces may be likely to point to guilt or non-guilt. For instance, in this case, the 8:28 phone call. We will never know if Joey dialed that phone or if someone else dialed it, either purposefully or accidentally. We can each decide what we *think* happened. Some may assign it in the likely-Merritt-did-it category in a effort to cover or during the commission of the crime or likely-someone-else-did-it.

I’m not so sure anything sepeculative must be discarded. There is a certain amount of speculation to circumstantial evidence in all trials, I think.

Regards speculation, I am saying that the factual inquiry is a separate stage to drawing inferences.

So first one asks what facts have been proven at trial. What does one accept? Anything which is speculative or equivocal must be discarded at this stage.

Then we move to drawing inferences from facts. Speculating away individual evidence is not allowed. One must examine relevant groups of facts together to draw obvious inferences.

The 8:28 phone call is a good example. It is proven IMO that the call was made. We don't know by whom IMO. This is exactly what I would call speculation.

However combined with CM's own call at 9.30pm, it strikes a fatal blow to CM's alibi

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, April 16th:
*Trial continues (Day 41) (@ 9:30am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt (57/now 60) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
Trial started 1/7/19. Dark on all Fridays. 8 women & 4 men (alternates include 4 men & 2 women).
Trial Days (1-39; 1/17/19 thru 4/11/19) reference post #24 here:
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #16
4/15/19 Day none: No court today, Merritt has a doctor’s appointment & his attorneys failed to tell the court. Court continues on 4/16.
Schedule for week of April 15th to 19th: Court with jurors on April 15 (Monday), April 16th (Tuesday), April 17th (Wednesday), & April 18th (Thursday). Dark on April 19th (Friday).


So - what do you think - should I mark 4/15 as Day 41? But since there was actually no court, I really shouldn't count it, eh? So I won't!

 

[asyousay]

So day 41 I assume that’s day they have been active in court and we started in early January and we are now in the middle of April.

I think that shows us what a s*it show this entire trial has been.

 

[citygirl]

If you are talking about MM, he is a witness and a bereaved family member, is how i see it, IMO. Although i hope the DT have no more reason to call him back on the stand.

I should have been more clear. He is for sure a victim and has testified. He's not the perpetrator.

 

[MsBetsy]

He's both a prosecution and a defense testifying witness, and the quote was in the testimony, Day 34, part 2, around 9:35:

(by the way, my original quote was correct, "voluntary missing", not "leaving")

P.S. Is he considered a victim or victim's family/relative? (Sincere question)

Generally all of the victim's family members are considered victims as well.

 

[Karinna]

I should have been more clear. He is for sure a victim and has testified. He's not the perpetrator.

All good i just wasn't sure if you meant MM or not, so thanks for clarifying.

 

[la2cabo]

So far the Law & Crime Network page doesn't say anything about live streaming the McStay trial. Perhaps Bobcat1 can give some insight as to when they will resume.

 

[geevee]

So far the Law & Crime Network page doesn't say anything about live streaming the McStay trial. Perhaps Bobcat1 can give some insight as to when they will resume.

KitKat (at L&C) said the camera should be there late tonight.

 

[smr]

Gee, I'm glad Shanann Watt's friend and business partner didn't feel that way!

Now, is that a good comparison? Shannan Watts was murdered by her own family member.

In case of someone being victimized or murdered by their close family member, one expect their friends and business partners to be concerned and even intervene. That is not the usual case if the murderer was someone outside the family. Some would call this common sense. So, I repeat, Chase had no obligation to be more concerned than those closer to JM.

So Shannan Watts' friend became worried when not hearing from her, and raised concern.
Chase Merritt did exactly the same about his best friend. He did more than he's obligated to.

 

[Niner]

KitKat (at L&C) said the camera should be there late tonight.

Well that won't help for today's hearing....