CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17

[la2cabo]

Would this be it?
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,Plaintiff vs.Charles Ray Merritt ,aka Charles Ray Mandel,aka Charles Ray Morritt,aka Chase Meredith Defendant
DA CASE NO 2014-00-0058329

http://www.sbcountyda.org/Portals/8/HighProfileCases/Charles Ray Merritt.pdf

I found it but I thank you for trying.

 

[geevee]

That can be your opinion, but it's clear to me that not everyone shares that opinion. I know that you are active in the L&C chat, I am sure you have read some of the same comments there that I have, and I think you would agree that not everyone shares that opinion?

But that's what the defense is presenting IMO and they are hoping that there isn't 12 of you on the jury

Yes, quite a few anonymous chatters pop in with the 'Merritt isn't guilty no matter how big you prove he is all day long' theme. I don't mind, we're all entitled to our viewpoint.

 

[asyousay]

Not sure that would be a wise move on the DT's part? That could backfire badly on them, IMO.

Well they are the ones claiming Dan has confessed so it’s only right that the witness takes the stand or it’s quite reasonable to assume they have made up the ridiculous claim.

 

[katydid23]

To get an accurate "read" on that, you would also have to link the entire IM between Dan and Joey. It also happened a year prior to the murders.

That IM was written a year before the murders. And DK and JM came to a resolution and worked out a deal. And they continued to work on a new venture together.

 

[katydid23]

There would have been no cluttering up done IMO A lot of what they presented was evidence surrounding the QB's entries, the cheques, the bank records of Merritt. Not sure there would be any other evidence that they could have or would have had to present to prove whether he was guilty of theft or fraud. JMO

If you are putting someone on trial for a quadruple murder, you are not going to deflect the focus to check forging and theft, and try that smaller crime as well. I rarely see that happen. JMO

 

[katydid23]

There would have been no cluttering up done IMO A lot of what they presented was evidence surrounding the QB's entries, the cheques, the bank records of Merritt. Not sure there would be any other evidence that they could have or would have had to present to prove whether he was guilty of theft or fraud. JMO

Maybe they are holding back those charges so they can nail him if he walks away from the murder charges?

 

[geevee]

Maybe they are holding back those charges so they can nail him if he walks away from the murder charges?

I thought of that, but then the statute of limitations has probably run its course by now.

 

[Force Ten]

I thought of that, but then the statute of limitations has probably run its course by now.

I looked into this a while back. In California the statutes of limitations begin when the crime of theft is discovered, not when it was done. They probably didn't charge him with theft because quadruple murder trumps anything else.

 

[Tortoise]

Defense Opening Statements are now transcribed. Better late than never as they say

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/opening-statements.413276/page-2

 

[eaglecane]

He also wouldn’t need to remove the bodies as he already had a alibi in place.

True, but if the bodies are found no one would be able to take any more money.

 

[citygirl]

Defense Opening Statements are now transcribed. Better late than never as they say

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/opening-statements.413276/page-2

This is so timely! I have just revisited DT's OS. For the umpteenth time.

 

[Tortoise]

True, but if the bodies are found no one would be able to take any more money.

Neither will they once they're reported missing.

 

[Tortoise]

This is so timely! I have just revisited DT's OS. For the umpteenth time.

Not the easiest person to understand. McGee tends to eat his words.

 

[geevee]

I looked into this a while back. In California the statutes of limitations begin when the crime of theft is discovered, not when it was done. They probably didn't charge him with theft because quadruple murder trumps anything else.

That makes sense, thanks Force.

 

[Tortoise]

Inconsistency -

This family was alive until the morning.

he was wearing again green t-shirt white little shorts and white socks, things he would sleep in.

...That shows that Joseph’s still alive when that car is leaving at 7.47. I don’t know who was there. He’s still alive doing business. He’s alive ‘til the morning of the 5th.

What the evidence is consistent with is, we’re gonna show, that it’s a DNA transfer. [...] It’s transferred by the last person Joseph saw that day – Chase. They met for lunch. They shook hands.

 

[Tortoise]

But I do like the fact McGee agrees Chase was the last person Joseph saw.

 

[missingm]

We have ping information for everyone that passed the area. That must be millions of accounts where did you hear this at?

That's how log files on cell towers and cellular networks work. They record what phones connect or "ping" as well as other information.

 

[missy1974]

Maybe they are holding back those charges so they can nail him if he walks away from the murder charges?

I have no doubt the statute of limitations would have run out by then. If they were going to do it, it should have been charged in 2014.

 

[Karinna]

I have no doubt the statute of limitations would have run out by then. If they were going to do it, it should have been charged in 2014.

Yes probably did, but the QB's theft and forging JM's signature and impersonating a murder victim all point to motive and that only CM called QB's to get Joey's accounts deleted for reasons we have already stated, which proves undoubtedly IMO that he is the murderer. Therefore this made it all part of the State's case against Merritt.

 

[geevee]

In Fact F:

"Well, there was also fingerprints found from inside the Trooper, they don’t know who they belong to. Not Chase. It’s not the family. And where were those fingerprints found? Right there on that coffee mug. But ‘we’ll skip that – doesn’t meet our theory’."

Is my memory totally shot (a good possibility)? I don't recall mention of a coffee mug with unknown fingerprints on it.