CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

[oceanblueeyes]

Another poster (sorry I've forgotten exactly who), but what they believed, has stuck with me since seeing it posted yesterday.

It was their belief that it was CM who may have been poisoning Joey. It's true CM seemed to have been around Joey more than anyone which would give him many opportunities to do so.

I've been thinking why CM would do this. Everything he does is because he thinks it gives him the advantage. Imo

So I can understand why he was the one who was making Joey so ill.

By doing so in his carefully crafted con way, he could tell Joey he had nothing to worry about if he became so ill he couldn't run his business.

He would promise Joey if that it came to that, he would see HE kept his business up, and running himself.

We already know he is a very convincing con artist. We do have to give him full credit for that.

Even after ripping so many others off in the past, he had no problems whatsoever, convincing the other two business gentlemen he dealt with, after Joey's murder to participate in another one of his congames.

It shows he is excellent in deceiving others who believed every lie he told them, hook, line, and sinker. So many victims of CM fell for every lie he told them.

I certainly believe he thought Joey believed every lie he had told him. If he poisoned Joey then poisoner suspects like this do so under the false pretense they truly care about their victim/s wellbeing, when it's the total opposite.

I wish Joey's body had been found right after CM buried him in the desert. Then a full toxicology could have been done on Joey.

So I think there is a possibilty this wasn't the only time he had tried to murder Joey.

How long had it been when Merritt's duties weren't any longer as the main welding fabricator for Joey, but he had been reduced to doing more mundane jobs for Joey? How long had it been since Joey had loaned him money to pay off his gambling debts?

Oh did he take that loaned money and really pay them off or used them to gamble more?

Imo

 

[ThorJanus]

Yep, I agree, we would have heard if his DNA was in the grave already, wasn't even in OS's lol

IIRC the brother was tested in late December... wonder why? I know the defense did find 3 unidentified DNA profiles ... but who knows how that got there? on the blanket? on the hammer? backpack?

So as far as I can confirm, no DNA is confirmed on CM in or out of graves. They have CM DNA in the database for comparison. Do you think serial killers give gifts to their daughters?

 

[ThorJanus]

I hate to call it fake news without looking at the video lol Can I see the link? They had so many videos lol

All premedia stuff should not be admissible in the courtroom. By going over previous murder cases, everyone lies and make up BS just to entrap the suspect. CNN gets it wrong all of the time.

 

[ThorJanus]

The defense is saying it's transfer DNA. I think it's absolutely possible it's transfer DNA because of where it was vs where it wasn't. We will have to wait for the experts to tell us quantities, what is normal, not normal in transfer DNA

I believe it was transfer DNA in the Trooper. How does one drive a car without dropping a strand of hair?

 

[Bernina]

Just thinking.......the Trooper had to be found at the Border or this case would have become foul play VERY quick.

The Trooper couldn't have been left anywhere else, it couldn't have been left unlocked to be stolen, it couldn't have been dumped at a wrecking yard, placed at a random shopping mall, side of the road, or abandoned in the desert. The interior and exterior of the vehicle could NOT be absent of DNA, fingerprints, etc.

It HAD to be found so LE would assume the family left of their own volition. It HAD to have the car seats from the Dodge put in it so all 4 members of the family would be assumed to have been in it. It had to have DNA and fingerprints. And it had to be a in a place that towed vehicles so it would be impounded and LE could find it if they ran the plate. It had to be found in a place where the family's whereabouts would take it out of the local and US LE agencies ie., Mexico.

Any other situation would have put a lock down on everything McStay: house, business, financial accounts, etc.

The killer had to keep the family "alive" as long as he could so the murders and fraud wouldn't be found out.

There have been posts saying "why would someone kill a family of 4 if a person was caught stealing, about to loose their job, or busted for whatever illegal act they had perpetrated"? Well, mass shootings in the work place due to firing, and disgruntled employees killing their employer and sometimes their employer's family isn't all that far fetched and most of the perpetrators didn't have a criminal record.

 

[Tortoise]

I believe it was transfer DNA in the Trooper. How does one drive a car without dropping a strand of hair?

With a hat on maybe?

 

[Tortoise]

Just thinking.......the Trooper had to be found at the Border or this case would have become foul play VERY quick.

The Trooper couldn't have been left anywhere else, it couldn't have been left unlocked to be stolen, it couldn't have been dumped at a wrecking yard, placed at a random shopping mall, side of the road, or abandoned in the desert. The interior and exterior of the vehicle could NOT be absent of DNA, fingerprints, etc.

It HAD to be found so LE would assume the family left of their own volition. It HAD to have the car seats from the Dodge put in it so all 4 members of the family would be assumed to have been in it. It had to have DNA and fingerprints. And it had to be a in a place that towed vehicles so it would be impounded and LE could find it if they ran the plate. It had to be found in a place where the family's whereabouts would take it out of the local and US LE agencies ie., Mexico.

Any other situation would have put a lock down on everything McStay: house, business, financial accounts, etc.

The killer had to keep the family "alive" as long as he could so the murders and fraud wouldn't be found out.

There have been posts saying "why would someone kill a family of 4 if a person was caught stealing, about to loose their job, or busted for whatever illegal act they had perpetrated"? Well, mass shootings in the work place due to firing, and disgruntled employees killing their employer and sometimes their employer's family isn't all that far fetched and most of the perpetrators didn't have a criminal record.

I agree Bernina. It was to halt an investigation there and then. IMO.

 

[Force Ten]

BBM This!

I have an issue with how they took the swabs!!!!! I wonder if anyone (pro's or defense) has considered going back and doing separate swabs now? They did a collective swab .... friggen useless IMO.

I never thought of the padlock key. But I have considered that if they were sitting there for 1-2 hours, going over paperwork, etc, that even touching the same pen or paperwork can do it. Especially if saliva is involved... and they had been eating... did Chase lick his fingers? LOL I know it sounds silly... but just go and read about transfer DNA, look at studies, these are the studies that have been done.

The DNA could be transfer DNA and Chase STILL drove the Trooper. He could very well have put on gloves when he got into it and drove it, he would have no idea that something earlier in the day left those minor/trace amounts. He could have thought he had the DNA thing covered by wearing the gloves. It would explain why there is none on the inside/outside of the door. <<< ETA: this would also explain why no fingerprints, if none were found.

Well the defense didn't seem to take issue with how it was collected, did they? I don't recall. Perhaps they will address it with DNA experts.

There are many ways DNA can be deposited, not just by touch and they can determine exactly how. He could have sneezed once in the drivers seat, that could be all that is needed even if he wore gloves. I wonder if, for example, when he was in the Trooper 6 weeks earlier, would there still be trace DNA there or would it be minor?

 

[ThorJanus]

With a hat on maybe?

do you clean on a regular basis? I realize that short hair is more of a problem but since I have long hair, I find in everywhere. Was he wearing a hazmat suit?

 

[Chelly]

Just thinking.......the Trooper had to be found at the Border or this case would have become foul play VERY quick.

The Trooper couldn't have been left anywhere else, it couldn't have been left unlocked to be stolen, it couldn't have been dumped at a wrecking yard, placed at a random shopping mall, side of the road, or abandoned in the desert. The interior and exterior of the vehicle could NOT be absent of DNA, fingerprints, etc.

It HAD to be found so LE would assume the family left of their own volition. It HAD to have the car seats from the Dodge put in it so all 4 members of the family would be assumed to have been in it. It had to have DNA and fingerprints. And it had to be a in a place that towed vehicles so it would be impounded and LE could find it if they ran the plate. It had to be found in a place where the family's whereabouts would take it out of the local and US LE agencies ie., Mexico.

Any other situation would have put a lock down on everything McStay: house, business, financial accounts, etc.

The killer had to keep the family "alive" as long as he could so the murders and fraud wouldn't be found out.

There have been posts saying "why would someone kill a family of 4 if a person was caught stealing, about to loose their job, or busted for whatever illegal act they had perpetrated"? Well, mass shootings in the work place due to firing, and disgruntled employees killing their employer and sometimes their employer's family isn't all that far fetched and most of the perpetrators didn't have a criminal record.

Elementary, my dear Bernina.

 

[QueenBofOB]

I believe it was transfer DNA in the Trooper. How does one drive a car without dropping a strand of hair?

Wearing a beanie type hat?

 

[Tortoise]

Well the defense didn't seem to take issue with how it was collected, did they? I don't recall. Perhaps they will address it with DNA experts.

There are many ways DNA can be deposited, not just by touch and they can determine exactly how. He could have sneezed once in the drivers seat, that could be all that is needed even if he wore gloves. I wonder if, for example, when he was in the Trooper 6 weeks earlier, would there still be trace DNA there or would it be minor?

From what I've read it's about 2 weeks if it's outdoors subject to the elements, heat and UV light etc, and about six weeks indoors. I don't know if being in a car would be a cross between indoor and outdoor with sunlight through the windshield.

 

[Tortoise]

do you clean on a regular basis? I realize that short hair is more of a problem but since I have long hair, I find in everywhere. Was he wearing a hazmat suit?

Clean? What does that have to do with the price of fish? Chase wore a cowboy hat.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just thinking.......the Trooper had to be found at the Border or this case would have become foul play VERY quick.

The Trooper couldn't have been left anywhere else, it couldn't have been left unlocked to be stolen, it couldn't have been dumped at a wrecking yard, placed at a random shopping mall, side of the road, or abandoned in the desert. The interior and exterior of the vehicle could NOT be absent of DNA, fingerprints, etc.

It HAD to be found so LE would assume the family left of their own volition. It HAD to have the car seats from the Dodge put in it so all 4 members of the family would be assumed to have been in it. It had to have DNA and fingerprints. And it had to be a in a place that towed vehicles so it would be impounded and LE could find it if they ran the plate. It had to be found in a place where the family's whereabouts would take it out of the local and US LE agencies ie., Mexico.

Any other situation would have put a lock down on everything McStay: house, business, financial accounts, etc.

The killer had to keep the family "alive" as long as he could so the murders and fraud wouldn't be found out.

There have been posts saying "why would someone kill a family of 4 if a person was caught stealing, about to loose their job, or busted for whatever illegal act they had perpetrated"? Well, mass shootings in the work place due to firing, and disgruntled employees killing their employer and sometimes their employer's family isn't all that far fetched and most of the perpetrators didn't have a criminal record.

I just saw another murder case this morning on one of the true crime channels that involved a gambling addiction by the suspect.

Her mom, and dad owned businesses where video poker machines were allowed. The suspect was in her late 30s iirc, and married.

So what does she do so she can feed her gambling addiction? Well she murdered her dad at his place of business. She may have killed her mom too, but I wasnt paying close attention at that time since i was reading the posts here. Lol

I have seen many cases that involved an addiction of some kind as the motive, but until recently I've never noticed how many were gambling addicts.

One case I saw years ago the suspect killed a roommate in order to steal $500.00 dollars from the victim.

So the amount of their gambling fix doesn't even have to involve a large amount of money it seems.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

Trial is live... Smith recalled... talking about some of the cheques...

4236 &4237

 

[missy1974]

Dang, I got a phone call so missed most of the direct

 

[missy1974]

I am hearing the defense asking questions about the voicemails.... so must have been something on direct... wondering if we are going to hear more about the VM's today?

 

[missy1974]

Donald Thomas Jones on the stand now.

Retired. Criminalist with SB County.

 

[JMarsh]

I’d like to know if any other DNA apart from Chase’s was found in the trooper? Was the trooper ‘clean’ apart from his DNA? Was any of the family’s DNA found or just Chase’s? Does anyone know? TIA

This may already have been answered, but there was DNA other than Chases. The samples produced mixed profiles with major, minor and trace contributors.

Joey was a major contributor to all samples.
Chase was a minor contributor on the steering wheel and trace on the other samples (which were generalized swabs).
Summer was a trace contributor to all samples.

Mixed samples can be tricky in terms of accuracy, as well.

We've never been told if there was an unknown contributor.

 

[Chelly]

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