CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

[missy1974]

Love that the judge can ask questions...

Jones says that any DNA evidence found on items from the grave would, in his opinion, come from after they were unearthed.

Look at the data, the highest probability is it should be the victims... if none of the results are the victims, he has no confidence that it's what was put in the ground 3 1/2 years prior.

Something that came on to the items after it was buried or after it was unearthed.

defense question... answer... if they were not in contact with the victims DNA, he would not expect it to have any DNA.

during decomp process... they are breaking down... they become liquid... blah blah blah is being broken down... a study done at the body farm... bury bodies and then go back and do testing... tested soil samples... primary reason for doing that is to see if there is potential to identify the body in that area... they found after 6 months, there is no DNA that can be recovered. Limited study, limited sample size... 2 bodies. They were testing only the dirt.

IMO... if the defense can't match the DNA they found to someone that should NOT have been there, it will mean nothing. It could be from someone that processed the scene.

 

[missy1974]

It was displayed on the screen and the witness explained it. Sorry don't know the time on the video.

Dang! Thanks, will have to wait until it's uploaded later I was listening but not watching, so didn't get to see the exhibits on the screen! Thanks for posting some updates while testimony was going... can't rely on tweets for this case lol

 

[Force Ten]

When I listened to that interview again over the weekend, he says something like, it sounds silly but with paintball there is a lot of bending and stuff and his legs would be hurting afterwards.

*I have no idea how physical paintball can be lol Never been. I would think soccer would be more strenuous as well.

Yes both can be very strenuous.

 

[Mony Mony]

I wonder if the second police interview will be played. The truth shouldn't change. CM said he tried swiping QB due to Summer's spending habits. I would expect for him to say the same thing, even years later.

Also, I would expect him to have his whereabouts on the evening of Feb 4th figured out by now. They took a DNA swab of him at the end of the first interview. If it were me, I would figure out where I was real quick!

 

[JMarsh]

Love that the judge can ask questions...

Jones says that any DNA evidence found on items from the grave would, in his opinion, come from after they were unearthed.

Look at the data, the highest probability is it should be the victims... if none of the results are the victims, he has no confidence that it's what was put in the ground 3 1/2 years prior.

Something that came on to the items after it was buried or after it was unearthed.

defense question... answer... if they were not in contact with the victims DNA, he would not expect it to have any DNA.

during decomp process... they are breaking down... they become liquid... blah blah blah is being broken down... a study done at the body farm... bury bodies and then go back and do testing... tested soil samples... primary reason for doing that is to see if there is potential to identify the body in that area... they found after 6 months, there is no DNA that can be recovered. Limited study, limited sample size... 2 bodies. They were testing only the dirt.

IMO... if the defense can't match the DNA they found to someone that should NOT have been there, it will mean nothing. It could be from someone that processed the scene.

Sounds like Jones doesn't like being one-uped. I'm not sure how eminent he is in this field. There was an ID episode where SBC had to bring in another analyst to redo work Jones had done on a different case. So, we'll see.

 

[missy1974]

Really? I thought it was that he possibly drove it.

I said I would listen again later... what I just heard at the end of his questioning is that he can't say whether they shook hands... he can't whether he drove the vehicle.

 

[missy1974]

Sounds like Jones doesn't like being one-uped. I'm not sure how eminent he is in this field. There was an ID episode where SBC had to bring in another analyst to redo work Jones had done on a different case. So, we'll see.

Don't suppose you know the episode or where I could watch it? lol

 

[Force Ten]

This goes back many threads ago... but what hand do you use to open your driver side door (assuming you are american lol)

Most IMO, use their left hand. (This is actually something I watch for now and notice LOL Even in a parking lot, watching people open their driver's side door)

I remember the discussion. I actually will use both but mostly left. Not sure it matters. It's not like one isn't going to leave DNA and the other will.

 

[katydid23]

79% major contributor
21% minor contributor

That is a pretty high minor contributor percentage, correct?

YES, pretty high percentage.

The jury will be left to decide which scenario is most likely.

---Chase's DNA was on the steering wheel because he shook hands with Joey, earlier that day, before it was driven to the border

---Chase's DNA was on the wheel because he dumped the car at the border


I think that after looking at the entirety of circumstantial evidence, it will seem much more likely that his DNA was there because he was the driver.

 

[missy1974]

I remember the discussion. I actually will use both but mostly left. Not sure it matters. It's not like one isn't going to leave DNA and the other will.

hmmm IF it was a handshake, you shake with both hands at the same time? I don't even know if Joey was right handed? but the likely hood that he was, is greater than left... and if he was holding a pen, a key, papers... it's not 100%, but IMO more likely his right hand.

*sigh* and their lunch break is good timing since I have to run back to work quickly! grrrrrr

 

[Force Ten]

hmmm IF it was a handshake, you shake with both hands at the same time? I don't even know if Joey was right handed? but the likely hood that he was, is greater than left... and if he was holding a pen, a key, papers... it's not 100%, but IMO more likely his right hand.

*sigh* and their lunch break is good timing since I have to run back to work quickly! grrrrrr

Ok I get where you're going. But the simple answer is we don't know which hands they used to shake if it even happened at all, or held keys, etc.

 

[katydid23]

I remember the discussion. I actually will use both but mostly left. Not sure it matters. It's not like one isn't going to leave DNA and the other will.

But it seems the argument is that if you shake hands with your right hand, then that is the hand that has Chases's DNA on it, and the gear shift would be touched by the right hand, and the steering wheel. But perhaps not the drivers outside door handle?

But if we are going to go down rabbit holes, we could say that Chase had gloves on, which were clean when he opened the car door. But sometime during the drive he coughed or sneezed or touched his face or wiped his mouth, and gave out his own 'touch' DNA .

That is just as plausible as the Defense theory. In fact more so, because their theory seems less plausible because it doesn't seem to take the 'last' driver of the Trooper into account.

If Chase never drove that car, and someone else did, after Joey, why is Chase the 3rd highest contributor?

 

[Edmo]

Sounds like Jones doesn't like being one-uped. I'm not sure how eminent he is in this field. There was an ID episode where SBC had to bring in another analyst to redo work Jones had done on a different case. So, we'll see.

I'd like to watch that. Do you remember which case it was? Thanks.

 

[Edmo]

I said I would listen again later... what I just heard at the end of his questioning is that he can't say whether they shook hands... he can't whether he drove the vehicle.

Both the Pros and DT argued both points earlier: Jones (paraphrasing here) "there is no evidence CM shook hands with JM, or that CM was the driver of the Trooper." He found what he found (DNA). That is what I understood from the little video snippets I was able to watch.

I think the Jury will come to a conclusion, one way or the other. Just another "brick" in the wall, IMO.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 15m15 minutes ago
#McStay - Court in lunch recess until 1:30pm PST/4:30pm EST.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm listening to the testimony... IMO, I disagree with this statement if they met prior to the last time that Joey would have driven the Trooper.

Nevertheless you seem to be awfully attached to interpreting each evidence point to excuse Chase when that is not what the witness said.

It's clear transfer can't be excluded

But Chase could also have driven

We don't know which is more likely.

Meanwhile there seems to be no evidence DK drove - yet that is the defence case?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I don't think they saw each other daily?

My office is very flexible. There are people who are in only a couple days a week, some only a couple times a month. All are in contact via phone, email, and IM. No one shakes their hand when they are in. If my boss (who actually lives in another state) is gone for a couple of weeks, no one would shake his hand when he comes in. That would be weird and awkward.

Our consultants and auditors (ie, a more formal relationship) are in and out frequently - no handshake. If we have a meeting with someone we haven't seen in month or so, and it's a formal meeting, then handshake. Even then, if it's an informal meeting if they are people we know pretty well there likely wouldn't be a handshake.

JM and CM were in constant contact, and may not have seen each other daily, but they certainly saw each other frequently. I would be shocked to see two people who worked together closely for years shake hands when they have an informal meeting for lunch wearing shorts at a chic-fil-a.

Of note, I'm in a formal professional office on the east coast. I've also lived for years in southern California in a similar environment. SoCal is much less formal than the east coast. Add to that JM and CM were in a blue collar business, working in a shop fabricating a product, a much less formal environment. I just can't see them shaking hands.

They may have exchanged paperwork, shared fries, something like that. I've never been to a Chick-fil-a, I don't know if they would be handing food to one another. I would think DNA transfer would be less in those cases than with direct skin to skin contact via a handshake.

Just my observations.

 

[mrjitty]

Jones' job is to analyze and EXCLUDE likely DNA contributors. He can not claim who was doing what because that's NOT within his job description.

exactly

Chase is a potential driver

That's the most we can say

 

[Edmo]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 15m15 minutes ago
#McStay - Court in lunch recess until 1:30pm PST/4:30pm EST.

Can they please work on the livestream? It keeps dropping out on ALL of us, thanks!

 

[Mickey Mouse]

This goes back many threads ago... but what hand do you use to open your driver side door (assuming you are american lol)

Most IMO, use their left hand. (This is actually something I watch for now and notice LOL Even in a parking lot, watching people open their driver's side door)

I didn't post when this was discussed, but I've been paying attention since, and I always open the driver's side door with my right hand. Surprised me, I thought it would be the opposite.