CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

[Bernina]

Love that the judge can ask questions...

*snipped*

IMO... if the defense can't match the DNA they found to someone that should NOT have been there, it will mean nothing. It could be from someone that processed the scene.

I love his questions too! I was waiting for the pro or def to ask these questions but they didn't!

 

[Plo_Koon]

This goes back many threads ago... but what hand do you use to open your driver side door (assuming you are american lol)

Most IMO, use their left hand. (This is actually something I watch for now and notice LOL Even in a parking lot, watching people open their driver's side door)

Really? I'm right handed and I am struggling to remember ever using my left hand. I'm not doubting your information, but just giving my personal experience.

 

[Plo_Koon]

YES, pretty high percentage.

The jury will be left to decide which scenario is most likely.

---Chase's DNA was on the steering wheel because he shook hands with Joey, earlier that day, before it was driven to the border

---Chase's DNA was on the wheel because he dumped the car at the border


I think that after looking at the entirety of circumstantial evidence, it will seem much more likely that his DNA was there because he was the driver.

AND Chase's DNA was on the other swab as well, correct? I thought that was the case and that the issue was that they used the same swab for the gear shifter/radio/controls/etc. So we can correctly say the DNA shows that he may have or may have not?

 

[JMarsh]

I'd like to watch that. Do you remember which case it was? Thanks.

Yes. Let me see if I can find it for free on Youtube. It's another interesting case.

 

[Edmo]

The cheque evidence puts him in the house Edmo. He raised a cheque next day with the same memo line, without communicating with Joey between times.

I'm wondering now if they swabbed the PC Keyboard for his DNA? We haven't heard anything about that, yet?

SBSO would have to done that and it was basically 4 years later, so now thinking about it, it would have to had been SDSO to swab the keyboard. I don't think DuGal has done that though? Being a "missing person" case when he handled it. Bummer.

 

[katydid23]

Nevertheless you seem to be awfully attached to interpreting each evidence point to excuse Chase when that is not what the witness said.

It's clear transfer can't be excluded

But Chase could also have driven

We don't know which is more likely.

Meanwhile there seems to be no evidence DK drove - yet that is the defence case?

I see that the defense is also implying that Joey might have driven his family to the border, and then later, they were abducted. That seems to be one theory, according to some of the cross questions where they asked ' you don't know that the McStay's didnt drive that vehicle to the border themselves, do you?'

 

[Bernina]

hmmm IF it was a handshake, you shake with both hands at the same time? I don't even know if Joey was right handed? but the likely hood that he was, is greater than left... and if he was holding a pen, a key, papers... it's not 100%, but IMO more likely his right hand.

*sigh* and their lunch break is good timing since I have to run back to work quickly! grrrrrr

I've been watching how my husband interacts with all of that.
For the last few weeks he's been getting sponsors for an event. If it's a 1st time introduction, he shakes hands, but if it's his friends, biker buds, and cowboys he's known for years, they do the "manly hug", lol! That sometimes does include a one hand clasp.

 

[katydid23]

Really? I'm right handed and I am struggling to remember ever using my left hand. I'm not doubting your information, but just giving my personal experience.

I open my driver side door with my right hand every time, unless I am holding something heavy for some reason.
Otherwise I always use my right hand to pull the door lever open.

 

[mrjitty]

I see that the defense is also implying that Joey might have driven his family to the border, and then later, they were abducted. That seems to be one theory, according to some of the cross questions where they asked ' you don't know that the McStay's didnt drive that vehicle to the border themselves, do you?'

So joey drove them to the border then DK did what exactly?

This is the defence case?

 

[JMarsh]

I'd like to watch that. Do you remember which case it was? Thanks.

OK you have to pay for it. It's part of the "She Made Me Do It" Snapped series. There were three defendants, but the woman who had her husband killed was: Amy “Nikki” Hillrich

 

[A lucas]

OK you have to pay for it. It's part of the "She Made Me Do It" ID series. There were three defendants, but the woman who had her husband killed was: Amy “Nikki” Hillrich

Ohhh I’d like to get into that but I can only do one murder at a time ;0)

 

[missy1974]

Nevertheless you seem to be awfully attached to interpreting each evidence point to excuse Chase when that is not what the witness said.

It's clear transfer can't be excluded

But Chase could also have driven

We don't know which is more likely.

Meanwhile there seems to be no evidence DK drove - yet that is the defence case?

I don't know how to make it any clearer, I am looking at the evidence as it is coming out. I, personally like to look at ALL the facts, not just the evidence that LE and the pro's have, but also the evidence that the defense has. Some posters do not have the time or patience for the trial, and that's okay, presenting both sides of this should be encouraged in a discussion group, don't you agree?

You can interpret my posts however you like..... making excuses for Chase? Or listening to the evidence and hearing possible explanations for things that can create reasonable doubt?
I have followed enough cases to know that what we think should be an outcome, isn't always the outcome that the jury finds, and then people are flabbergasted. So no matter what I think, I will continue to look at and discuss all possibilities and continue to post what is being presented in the trial, whether the majority wants to read it or not, or believe it, it will be here

 

[Edmo]

OK you have to pay for it. It's part of the "She Made Me Do It" Snapped series. There were three defendants, but the woman who had her husband killed was: Amy “Nikki” Hillrich

Watching it now, thanks.

 

[missy1974]

I'm wondering now if they swabbed the PC Keyboard for his DNA? We haven't heard anything about that, yet?

SBSO would have to done that and it was basically 4 years later, so now thinking about it, it would have to had been SDSO to swab the keyboard. I don't think DuGal has done that though? Being a "missing person" case when he handled it. Bummer.

My opinion is they didn't. We have heard from denys Williams already, she collected the evidence and swabs. Nothing from computers. Part of the reason was because if how many people had been in the house though too iirc

 

[missy1974]

Sorry for any typos. ..on my phone stuck at work for a few more minutes.....dang electrician is taking forever ( who happens to be my husband haha )

They should be back live soon!

 

[mrjitty]

I don't know how to make it any clearer, I am looking at the evidence as it is coming out. I, personally like to look at ALL the facts, not just the evidence that LE and the pro's have, but also the evidence that the defense has. Some posters do not have the time or patience for the trial, and that's okay, presenting both sides of this should be encouraged in a discussion group, don't you agree?

You can interpret my posts however you like..... making excuses for Chase? Or listening to the evidence and hearing possible explanations for things that can create reasonable doubt?
I have followed enough cases to know that what we think should be an outcome, isn't always the outcome that the jury finds, and then people are flabbergasted. So no matter what I think, I will continue to look at and discuss all possibilities and continue to post what is being presented in the trial, whether the majority wants to read it or not, or believe it, it will be here

That's why I was confused because I thought you were open minded but you seem to be asserting transfer is more likely

 

[JMarsh]

My opinion is they didn't. We have heard from denys Williams already, she collected the evidence and swabs. Nothing from computers. Part of the reason was because if how many people had been in the house though too iirc

I have a feeling when San Diego took the computers they weren't thinking that a killer had used them. Those computers were probably directly touched by quite a few investigators.

 

[Tortoise]

YES, pretty high percentage.

The jury will be left to decide which scenario is most likely.

---Chase's DNA was on the steering wheel because he shook hands with Joey, earlier that day, before it was driven to the border

---Chase's DNA was on the wheel because he dumped the car at the border


I think that after looking at the entirety of circumstantial evidence, it will seem much more likely that his DNA was there because he was the driver.

Exactly.

Add in that Chase had no knowledge of his own whereabouts on the 8th,
his phone was disconnected for 6 hours - long enough to get to the border and back,
when his phone came back on he was driving north,
he did not call Joey that morning,
he told Carmen he'd tried calling Joey all weekend when in fact he had called once on Sunday,
his call pattern was not normal for a weekend,
he'd been in the desert on Saturday,
he'd not been in at Metro working on Friday,
the only thing we do know he was doing on the 5th and the 8th was creating backdated QB cheques, and made a 2 hour call to QB.

It's a massive mistake to dismiss pieces of the puzzle one by one, and think it reasonable to assign an outside chance of it being transfer dna to it that cannot ever be proven - and is being put forth by the murder suspect who has a reason to lie, could not remember instantly if he had been in the car, gave only one instance of having been in the car ever and that just so happened to be mere weeks before the murders, traveling to an event that Joey was most likely too unwell at the time to have partaken in.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

So joey drove them to the border then DK did what exactly?

This is the defence case?

I think the defense case is kind of all over the place. From what I can piece together, it is not a clear concise scenario.

But it seems to be a mixture of DK, being an instigator or the outright killer. Like, perhaps DK held a gun to the drivers head and forced them to drive to the border, kind of scenario. Joey tied ups in the back, Summer driving, while DK has a gun to the baby's head, kind of scenario?

That^^^^ is the kind of scenario DK's ex gf will likely tell, imo ---but we have no DNA from DK in the Trooper, IIRC

They are kind of trapping themselves into a corner with the gf of DK's testimony, I believe. Because her story will have to fit with all of the forensics. If Not, it will look like a desperate ploy. And make them look disingenuous. imo

 

[Tortoise]

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