CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #9

[missy1974]

Because Chase, the grifter/conman, was trying to avoid the listening devices by not using the phones to speak with his girlfriend. And he wanted to give her some special instructions concerning her testimony, that he didn't want recorded. I am dying to know what he tried to communicate about?

I am guessing it might have been aboutt his alibi on the 4th and maybe about the infamous phone call from Joey's phone that night?

ETA: So it was CJ who didnt want to be recorded? I wonder why not?

Could be that Merritt asked Jarvis not to use the phone

What I am going to assume is... he has been in there for 4 years... he has probably been doing that the whole time. He's been in jail before, he knows what is and isn't recorded. And really, I doubt he thought this couldn't be heard also. Jarvis may have.

 

[Recidivist]

Or maybe he just didn't want her talking about his gambling. Every time the DA has come up with some "explosive" new evidence it has ended up either being around the gambling issue or it has been a dud, like the "changing identity" pictures that are really just a news item about the McStays.

To me, it seems pretty desperate on the part of the DA to be getting recordings of this type now. We are really far into this, for this to be new evidence.

I'm not sure how ne

Because Chase, the grifter/conman, was trying to avoid the listening devices by not using the phones to speak with his girlfriend. And he wanted to give her some special instructions concerning her testimony, that he didn't want recorded. I am dying to know what he tried to communicate about?

I am guessing it might have been aboutt his alibi on the 4th and maybe about the infamous phone call from Joey's phone that night?

ETA: So it was CJ who didnt want to be recorded? I wonder why not?

He told her to remember something about payment for water falls, I assume to explain his taking of the money from Joey's account.

 

[missy1974]

After hearing what I did... I actually wonder if it's wise for the defense to argue them using it LOL

We now know more about what CJ has been saying, since 2010 and all through this investigation. We also know she was threatened to be arrested as an accomplice and she STILL did not change her recollection of that night.

something interesting... he said 'you would have been at the school that night'... I want to know more about that, why on Thursday night?

Oh and... sounds like they went to the clubhouse to watch movies Guess you can find a way if you don't have a TV.

 

[missy1974]

Does anyone know... is the Provecho fountain the one that Joey was waiting for an insurance cheque for????

 

[missy1974]

Did the detective say (in today's audio) that CJ visited 9-13 times is the past 4 years? That is not a lot of visits

it also sounded like he got visits on Friday's and Sunday's, Smith knew the pattern.

 

[missy1974]

I'm not sure how ne


He told her to remember something about payment for water falls, I assume to explain his taking of the money from Joey's account.

From what I understand, the State is saying... he owed Joey for half of that project, she said she didn't remember... he was saying remember this? or that? ...

From what I understand what the judge was saying was... it probably doesn't matter, it's not relevant and it's hearsay. Defense says, if she testifies about Provecho, they can use it, otherwise it's character evidence.

The recording stopped then, so we may not know how the judge has ruled on this.

 

[mom2chloe]

We know in the Kelsey Berreth murder case that a nurse who was slso the mistress of the accused cleaned the murder sight st the murderer’s request.
Maybe CJ cleaned the blood from the McStay home? Before anyone attempts to accuse me of implicatng or accusing CJ of any wrong-doing or complicity in the McStay murders, she wss a housecleaning lady according to @tenforce. Correct?! This was allegedly how she made a living. Not too far a stretch that CM may have convinced her to clean the house that he committed the murders within if they were even committed there.
Again, I am in no way suggesting CJ was an accomplice let alone that she had knowledge of any crime being committed.
IMHO

 

[Edmo]

Yes, I’m aware of the postings but then why did the detective “place devices,” if the phones and visitation rooms are routinely recorded?

In our county, only the phone calls were recorded. You needed a warrant to "bug" anything else.

 

[Bernina]

I have a huge problem with a defendant circumventing the jail recording policies.
They're in place as a safety feature for inmates, staff, and perspective witnesses. Are they used for discovery? Sure, that's a bonus.

Hearing that CM is in Protective Custody-Segregated tells me a lot.

CJ circumventing the recording policy tells me she is a person without integrity, any testimony she presents (if she's put on the stand) will be hard for me to swallow.

 

[missy1974]

In our county, only the phone calls were recorded. You needed a warrant to "bug" anything else.

I caught something in that hearing... I think it was McGee that said that once a suspect/defendant has been arraigned (and I think represented by a lawyer), they cannot record him/her in the cell. Thought it was interesting.

 

[Bernina]

I caught something in that hearing... I think it was McGee that said that once a suspect/defendant has been arraigned (and I think represented by a lawyer), they cannot record him/her in the cell. Thought it was interesting.

That's what snitches are for.

 

[missy1974]

I have a huge problem with a defendant circumventing the jail recording policies.
They're in place as a safety feature for inmates, staff, and perspective witnesses. Are they used for discovery? Sure, that's a bonus.

Hearing that CM is in Protective Custody-Segregated tells me a lot.

CJ circumventing the recording policy tells me she is a person without integrity, any testimony she presents (if she's put on the stand) will be hard for me to swallow.

I bet more do it... he was just caught LOL

 

[missy1974]

@Edmo you worked in a prison? Jail?

Wouldn't it be noted by the guard that they weren't using the phones? is it common?

 

[MrsPC]

bottom line...the judge denied the defense motion to exclude the 4 February recordings & the judge ruled the prosecution provided discovery timely to the defense. Yeah!

 

[Edmo]

So, it sounds like CM was aking CJ to be his alibi for the 4th? SAY it isn't so !!!

 

[Edmo]

bottom line...the judge denied the defense motion to exclude the 4 February recordings & the judge ruled the prosecution provided discovery timely to the defense. Yeah!

The visitation phones ARE what get's recorded.

 

[cobalt sky]

After hearing what I did... I actually wonder if it's wise for the defense to argue them using it LOL

We now know more about what CJ has been saying, since 2010 and all through this investigation. We also know she was threatened to be arrested as an accomplice and she STILL did not change her recollection of that night.

something interesting... he said 'you would have been at the school that night'... I want to know more about that, why on Thursday night?

Oh and... sounds like they went to the clubhouse to watch movies Guess you can find a way if you don't have a TV.

Thank you @missy1974 for your mini-transcription of today's hearing

So it appears that CJ wasn't working in tandem with the pros after all.

I have a question for the law experts: after listening to the audio, am I understanding correctly that if the pros is allowed to present the recordings re: CM and CJ discussing the evening of the 4th, that the defense will then be allowed to present evidence of CJ being interviewed by LE where they allegedly threaten her with arrest as an accomplice if she doesn't change her recollection? And am I understanding that if the pros does NOT present the recordings re: the evening of the 4th, the defense would then NOT be allowed to bring up LE's interview with CJ? Also I'm anxious to hear what the Judge says after he listens, I'm assuming we will find out tomorrow.

 

[travelbug]

Wow... just getting home from work and catching up!!!!!! THIS may be what the State needs. I am hesitant to assume what was said, and it doesn't sound like they heard the contents of the recordings in this hearing??? Thank god we will have the audio to at least listen to this hearing... I wonder if L&C still thinks that pulling out for a few days was "not a big deal" ... we would have missed all of this if we didn't have at least the audio!!!! I'm also glad that I was able to read the last tweet that Smith put the device lol Reading the posts after reading the tweets... I'm not so sure she has "turned" on him haha

This also has me wondering whether the recordings of family/friends has something to do with the DNA sample of CM's brother?

 

[Edmo]

@Edmo you worked in a prison? Jail?

Wouldn't it be noted by the guard that they weren't using the phones? is it common?

CM's visitation (phone to talk to visitor) ARE recorded. They are on an electronic service, like Mitchely's camera, but audio is captured 24/7.

 

[missy1974]

bottom line...the judge denied the defense motion to exclude the 4 February recordings & the judge ruled the prosecution provided discovery timely to the defense. Yeah!

Keep listening though.... there are only 2 conversations, possibly 3 that they even want to use. One is about him asking her if she remembers that CM/JM were going to split the loses, last we hear about this, Judge says it's not relevant and hearsay but don't know final ruling. Two, they talk about the 8th, but more in the context of during his interview with Dugal, they lost connection 3 times when he called her about what they did on the 8th, he was in the clubhouse of the complex they lived in, she was at their apartment, he was telling her they were going to play that during his defense... and then the 4th, where they are going over what she is going to testify about, but it's all the same stuff that she has been saying since the beginning (according to McGee and not denied by the pro's), judge said he will allow that but also says that the defense will be allowed to show her previous statements from day 1 showing that she has said that from day 1. McGee also mentions later that he will call LE that interviewed her (that could open up a can of worms if they did threaten her and she still doesn't waiver). Three, towards the end, there is mention of Chase saying he did owe Joey money, but we didn't get to hear any more of that because they went to break and we didn't get the other video.

JMO from what I've heard