GUILTY CA - Justice Rees, 2 wks, Woodland, 24 Feb 2015

[perfectingpink]

I am not sold on the idea that most courts have, i.e that the goal should generally be to reunite babies/children with birth parents. Imo, matching DNA alone means very little in the scheme of things. Does not equip one to parent. Does not prove love. Does not indicate responsibility. Far too many cases where children are returned to parents, or parents are given access, to children who evidently end up dead. Jmo

I completely agree with you. I worked for an adoption/foster care agency and the stories of parental abuse angered me but what angered me more was how many times the same children were taken out of the home, placed back in the home only to be taken out again; this would go on and on in some cases. By the time the courts decided the children should be removed permanently, the children were older and so scarred that they were not "adoptable". Just a shame!

 

[MsMarple]

(modsnip)

Good instincts!

SG's sister is no longer supporting her.

Green's sister, Aissa Green spoke exclusively to News 10.
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She said she was willing to take in Justice if she had known. "I have a safe living environment for my children and he could have had that too," Green said. "This would have never happened if someone other than Samantha, Frank and his family had known," she asserted.
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Family sources said that Justice spent five days in the NICU at Kaiser Roseville after birth to get the drugs out of his system. Green said her family was at the hospital, but were kept in the dark about why the baby was in NICU.
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Green said her sister struggled with drug use in the past, but had been clean. She said Samantha distanced herself from her family once she started dating Frank Rees and that was when she began showing signs of drug use again.

Be sure to read the whole article.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/lo...-aunt-doesnt-support-samantha-green/24307247/

 

[time]

Good instincts!

SG's sister is no longer supporting her.

Green's sister, Aissa Green spoke exclusively to News 10.
...
She said she was willing to take in Justice if she had known. "I have a safe living environment for my children and he could have had that too," Green said. "This would have never happened if someone other than Samantha, Frank and his family had known," she asserted.
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Family sources said that Justice spent five days in the NICU at Kaiser Roseville after birth to get the drugs out of his system. Green said her family was at the hospital, but were kept in the dark about why the baby was in NICU.
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Green said her sister struggled with drug use in the past, but had been clean. She said Samantha distanced herself from her family once she started dating Frank Rees and that was when she began showing signs of drug use again.

Be sure to read the whole article.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/lo...-aunt-doesnt-support-samantha-green/24307247/

She must be totally heartbroken.

She said her nephew's father admitted to drug use to her family and that he and Samantha had planned to seek treatment prior to their arrests. Green said she was also concerned for Rees' other children, who live in that household.

I think Frank should be held just as accountable. He was also using and knew she was when she was pregnant and it sounds like after the birth, detox, counseling and all. Slimebag. I also have to wonder if Kaiser could have kept SG and the baby longer - I already don't like them. Was there any order for psychological counseling. Kaiser should have provided that - Criticism Continues of Kaiser's Mental Health Services. I just can't get over how her side of the family was not brought into the process. The baby did not have to go to a foster home, but why think it's ok to dump her and the baby in a home with past problems, a partner who was using meth, and 4 children in the mix.

 

[cluciano63]

What is this "planned to seek treatment"? Just go do it. If you are serious about getting clean, go,now, especially if there is a child in the picture. It is easy to say...not so easy to do. But a lot of people have crappy priorities. Steering clear of drugs should be a priority for a potential parent. Getting clean should be a priority if a child now exists. I am sick and tired of druggies having kids and the kids ending up injured or dead. Jmo

 

[tlcya]

Patty Rees said they met with CPS shortly after Justice was born.

"We put together a safety plan together since they live with us. Following that meeting both parents tested clean ... I will continue to support Sammi and Frank," she said in a statement.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/2015/03/03/baby-justice-aunt-doesnt-support-samantha-green/24307247/

:censored:

 

[tlcya]

It is true that baby Justice was born with meth in his system. Samantha and Justice immediately became a CPS case. CPS met with frank and Samantha and my husband and I. We put together a safety plan together since they live with us. Following that meeting both parents tested clean. Sammi and frank were adjusting to being parents of a newborn. This was Samantha's first baby.

Now they had lived here together for about 10 months. Samantha was very involved with franks 4 other children, helping with homework and doing art projects. They love her.

During Samantha's pregnancy she had some hormonal mood swings as we all do but I never suspected that she was using meth. I was shocked that Justice had meth in his system.

I will continue to support Sammi and frank. They loved Justice and I know in my heart that she would never intentionally harm him. She was a good mom to all 5 children.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/lo...by-justice-born-with-meth-in-system/24289737/


Statement from Patty Rees, paternal grandmother.

prior statements in support of the mother:

"They can stop saying nasty things about her on Facebook. That would be nice," Justice's paternal grandmother Patty Rees said from her Woodland home Friday. "It's very hurtful because we know she had nothing to do with his death."

SNIP

"We know from Samantha what happened, that she was abducted," Rees said. "And, despite that they haven't been able to prove that, we totally believe her."

http://www.news10.net/story/news/lo...-for-answers-stands-by-babys-mother/24170317/

“She knew the person,” said Patty Rees, Justice’s paternal grandmother, with whom the baby and his parents were living after his birth. Rees said the incident occurred sometime on Monday, away from the family’s home on the west side of Woodland.

Rees said she wasn’t privy to any additional details, but is confident her son’s fiancee is telling the truth.

http://www.davisenterprise.com/loca...rts/woodland-infants-death-remains-a-mystery/

“She was a little first-time mom,” Rees said of Green, who had lived in her home for the past year along with her son, Frank Rees, Justice’s father, and his four children from a previous relationship. “She was so sweet with Justice. There were some hiccups, but it was just all new-mom stuff, like trying to figure out how to make day and night work. ... She was a good mom. Attentive. I don’t think she did anything to that baby.”


Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article11131949.html#storylink=cpy


Just wanted to gather all the statements made by the alleged responsible adult in the household. The one who we now know KNEW Justice was born with meth in his system and the one who was privy to the "safety" plan.

I should refrain from opining further.

 

[MsMarple]

My best guess about grandmother Rees' statements is that the person topmost in her mind is her son Frank, not Samantha. JMO and complete speculation here. I think she either knew or strongly suspected both parents were using but she couldn't very well make statements defending Frank's drug use. So maybe a combination of guilt for not doing something, fear for what may happen to her son and shame from the harsh public response about the family. All I know is I'm glad I'm not in her shoes. What a mess.

And while I'm speculating I'll point out that sheriff Prieto has been choosing his words very carefully; I suspect he's just broiling inside.

“I am extraordinarily sympathetic and passionate about this young little infant that was found deceased… More so for him that the parents in all honesty,” Sheriff Prieto said.
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“You know, I have so much information on this man it is hard for me to be extraordinarily sympathetic.” the Sheriff said. “But he has had warrants for sometime so he could have taken care of this anytime if he had chance to. And obviously he chose not to. But when you get a court order, it is a court order. That’s when a judge tells you to take this person into custody.”

Translation: Oh well, it's all on you buddy. I think (JMO) that he privately agrees with what we're thinking - that FR may not be directly involved but he sure as heck contributed to Justice's death. I believe sheriff Prieto will do his best to ensure FR gets as much punishment as the law will allow in the matter of the misdemeanors in order to make FR pay. With luck we'll see a child endangerment charge too.

http://fox40.com/2015/03/02/sheriff-shares-new-details-regarding-death-of-justice-rees/

And, sticking my neck out a third time I think there are more surprises ahead...

:heartbeat: RIP Justice. :rose:

 

[kdgdid]

IMO anyone who was party to "the safety plan" and did not follow it should be charged and what needs to be looked at is how safe the other 4 children are in that home IMO

 

[tlcya]

I understand that Mrs. Rees has just lost her grandbaby. It is not my intention to bash. But I am quite simply flumoxed as to how this woman not only believed the cockamamee story about abduction and rape from Green when she knew full well this young woman and her son had issues with drugs serious enough that this baby boy was born detoxing from Meth and yet steadfastly believes the abduction story? Then when mom is charged she continues to insist this young woman was a good mother who did not hurt her son. I fear for the other Rees children in that household. The blinders required to still believe Green in this circumstance must be made of lead and that makes me think this is the last person who should be in charge of the other children in that household. Sorry.

Maybe she is feeling guilt for not picking up on signs both before and after Justice's birth. But really I find it selfish to hide in denial when other children's lives are also in her hands.

 

[katydid23]

“She knew the person,” said Patty Rees, Justice’s paternal grandmother, with whom the baby and his parents were living after his birth. Rees said the incident occurred sometime on Monday, away from the family’s home on the west side of Woodland.

Rees said she wasn’t privy to any additional details, but is confident her son’s fiancee is telling the truth."






WAIT. I thought there was a 'safety plan' set up after the baby was found to have meth is his newborn system? Didn't that 'safety plan' call for the baby to be released to the grandparents as a safety net? So how did the newborn baby and his meth using parents end up at some random friends house?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I think Rees' parents must be enablers. To have a safety plan in place to keep Justice safe that was not followed through, to say they didn't know Samantha was using drugs during her pregnancy, to stand by Samantha's side as well as Frank, even though Frank has a history of poor choices, either naive enablers or complicit in all of it.

Sadly I think Samantha's life went to crap after she met Frank.

 

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I understand that Mrs. Rees has just lost her grandbaby. It is not my intention to bash. But I am quite simply flumoxed as to how this woman not only believed the cockamamee story about abduction and rape from Green when she knew full well this young woman and her son had issues with drugs serious enough that this baby boy was born detoxing from Meth and yet steadfastly believes the abduction story? Then when mom is charged she continues to insist this young woman was a good mother who did not hurt her son. I fear for the other Rees children in that household. The blinders required to still believe Green in this circumstance must be made of lead and that makes me think this is the last person who should be in charge of the other children in that household. Sorry.

Maybe she is feeling guilt for not picking up on signs both before and after Justice's birth. But really I find it selfish to hide in denial when other children's lives are also in her hands.

I have to agree with MsMarple...

My best guess about grandmother Rees' statements is that the person topmost in her mind is her son Frank, not Samantha. JMO and complete speculation here. I think she either knew or strongly suspected both parents were using but she couldn't very well make statements defending Frank's drug use. So maybe a combination of guilt for not doing something, fear for what may happen to her son and shame from the harsh public response about the family. All I know is I'm glad I'm not in her shoes. What a mess.

I think grandma Rees had blinders on about her own son (or is he her stepson?). They knew what he was like after years of his BS. Not totally buying that they just thought SG had mood swings during her pregnancy either. We're talking about the two of them doing Meth, not something like smoking pot.

 

[katydid23]

“She knew the person,” said Patty Rees, Justice’s paternal grandmother, with whom the baby and his parents were living after his birth. Rees said the incident occurred sometime on Monday, away from the family’s home on the west side of Woodland.

Rees said she wasn’t privy to any additional details, but is confident her son’s fiancee is telling the truth."






WAIT. I thought there was a 'safety plan' set up after the baby was found to have meth is his newborn system? Didn't that 'safety plan' call for the baby to be released to the grandparents as a safety net? So how did the newborn baby and his meth using parents end up at some random friends house?

Quoting myself so I can put two of grandma's CONFLICTING statements side by side:


Statement from FR's mother:

It is true that baby Justice was born with meth in his system. Samantha and Justice immediately became a CPS case. CPS met with frank and Samantha and my husband and I. We put together a safety plan together since they live with us. Following that meeting both parents tested clean. Sammi and frank were adjusting to being parents of a newborn. This was Samantha's first baby.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/loc...stem/24289737/



“She knew the person,” said Patty Rees, Justice’s paternal grandmother, with whom the baby and his parents were living after his birth. Rees said the incident occurred sometime on Monday, away from the family’s home on the west side of Woodland.


SO WHEN THEY MET WITH CPS THEY PROMISED THAT THE BABY WAS GOING TO BE LIVING WITH GRANDPARENTS IN THEIR HOME, but then they went and lived with some random friends instead.

 

[MsMarple]

Unfortunately, her defensive statements just make me more curious about the timeline. She said the last time she saw SG was Monday morning. SG, in her jailhouse interview said she was given bad drugs, abducted and raped that night. So what happened in the intervening hours?

Hopefully we'll find that out tomorrow when SG is arraigned. I'm a little nervous that her defense lawyer will file a motion to delay in order to have her evaluated. Either way though I think the sheriff said more info is going to be released in the next few days - at least about the CPS report - so news may continue to trickle out. I really, really want the probable cause statement to be released.

 

[MsMarple]

Quoting myself so I can put two of grandma's CONFLICTING statements side by side:


Statement from FR's mother:

It is true that baby Justice was born with meth in his system. Samantha and Justice immediately became a CPS case. CPS met with frank and Samantha and my husband and I. We put together a safety plan together since they live with us. Following that meeting both parents tested clean. Sammi and frank were adjusting to being parents of a newborn. This was Samantha's first baby.

http://www.news10.net/story/news/loc...stem/24289737/



“She knew the person,” said Patty Rees, Justice’s paternal grandmother, with whom the baby and his parents were living after his birth. Rees said the incident occurred sometime on Monday, away from the family’s home on the west side of Woodland.


SO WHEN THEY MET WITH CPS THEY PROMISED THAT THE BABY WAS GOING TO BE LIVING WITH GRANDPARENTS IN THEIR HOME, but then they went and lived with some random friends instead.

I think the second statement was meant to reflect that it was the grandparents that SG and FR were living with, not friends. It was just poorly worded.

 

[katydid23]

I think the second statement was meant to reflect that it was the grandparents that SG and FR were living with, not friends. It was just poorly worded.

OH, maybe so. OOPS

 

[MsMarple]

It's annoying that so many news reports are filled with spelling and grammar errors. I make mistakes too but no one is paying me to write.

 

[time]

Unfortunately, her defensive statements just make me more curious about the timeline. She said the last time she saw SG was Monday morning. SG, in her jailhouse interview said she was given bad drugs, abducted and raped that night. So what happened in the intervening hours?

Hopefully we'll find that out tomorrow when SG is arraigned. I'm a little nervous that her defense lawyer will file a motion to delay in order to have her evaluated. Either way though I think the sheriff said more info is going to be released in the next few days - at least about the CPS report - so news may continue to trickle out. I really, really want the probable cause statement to be released.

Was she the one that also said SG had his dad's cell phone but it had been disconnected and wasn't working (or something of that sort)?

 

[tlcya]

I think lil mama went out and got some drugs in trade for sex, taking her days old infant along with her for the ride. I think that child died while she and her friend (probably the lovely person she named as her abductor) were all methed out and then she came up with this ridiculous I was abducted and drugged and raped BS. Zero sympathy. She is lower than low.

 

[tlcya]

Maybe she left the baby in the car while she went into her friend's house to score a little in trade. By the time she returned Justice was dead and so she conconcted the abduction rape BS. Abduction to explain away her dead baby in teh slough and rape to explain why someone other than Frank's bodily fluids were still in her.

Going out on a limb and willing to bet there is survellience video of her driving around in the car solo and abandoning it where found. Wouldn't surprise me if there is video images of her carrying the baby around shortly before she dumped him there.