Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee since 8 Aug 2022 #5

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  • #981
Mud.
She prolly couldn't even see the windows she'd opened.
If she was opening the windows as the car was sinking she could at least feel around. If she was cognizant of opening them then she would check IMO.
 
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There is more specific information about the water temperatures at the link. One week after she went into the water, the temp in that location was roughly 65 F.

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Thanks. Not super cold, but at least not 80. Hoping for the best with autopsy results!
 
  • #983
FWIW, someone else pointed out previously that you can very clearly see pieces of glass like the driver side window had been broken. If you zoom in on the photo of the vehicle coming out of the lake, you can see the jagged glass. Not sure about other windows, though.

I think there also appears to be some damage to the windshield and the hood, near the very front of her CRV, but that may be the angle and I do not know enough about retrieval to comment on what may have contributed to what I think I could be seeing.

I also think she could have clipped some stuff on the way out of the party, and/or some other point in the evening. Also may explain the damage to mirror, etc.
 
  • #984
There is more specific information about the water temperatures at the link. One week after she went into the water, the temp in that location was roughly 65 F.

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That's another factor if the temperature was below 70 degrees. USA Triathlon rules allow a wetsuit for temps 78 degrees and below. I participated in a mile swim race where the temp 70 degrees and that felt cold when I first got in and I was expecting it. She got hit with it suddenly.
 
  • #985
Hondas roll down even when submerged..also the driver window button doesn't have to be held for window to go all the way down..if you hit your driver window button it will open the window entirely
Is there a link to show us when submerged Honda's windows will roll down? Is this recent models only or 2013 included? Will it be all windows or just one window? Because knowing this would clear a lot up. If they all roll down wouldn't the water rush in for the submerging vehicle's occupants this may cause further problems. So it may be a problem that would harm instead of help.
 
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Yes, that is the only one I have seen or heard of. I have heard no one mention there being a second one.
Is there some question about whether she went off the boat ramp to get to the location where the car was found? I think the boat ramp is unrelated to this car going into the water.

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  • #990
RS&BBM
... I suspect a question LE will want to solve is why was the driver's window broken when AWP discovered KR's car?

Possible Explanations Window Broke:

1. Impact w/water (accident)
2. Impact w/bottom (accident)
3. Car rolled before entry (accident)
4. KR used a window-brake tool (accident)
5. Someone at the party smashed window to gain access to car to try and rouse KR in backseat (?)

I'll stop there. All IMO.

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IMO it looks like there is damage to the front roof, right above the windshield and the windshield itself looks damaged.
 
  • #991
Not to seem rude, but what would be the point? If you want to survive, calling 911 isn't going to help you in this situation.
Unsure if this reply was for me?
 
  • #992
There is more specific information about the water temperatures at the link. One week after she went into the water, the temp in that location was roughly 65 F.

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Excuse my laziness. Is that data from a surface buoy?
 
  • #993
Is there some question about whether she went off the boat ramp to get to the location where the car was found? I think the boat ramp is unrelated to this car going into the water.

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It would be interesting to know if others were hanging out down by the water at any point.

And looking at the map, it really does seem possible to me that she could have called Sami from the water's edge.
 
  • #994
IMO it looks like there is damage to the front roof, right above the windshield and the windshield itself looks damaged.
Also the area above where a license plate would typically be, and near where you would open the hood. But it is difficult to know what is typical when a car "turtles"? Also, could any boats etc have damaged the CRV?
 
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Averages can be, well, averages. Given she was found in about a 14' depth, I wonder what the temp was at that depth for the most part, night and day.
I was trying to see if they are saying "surface water" or mid range or what but they do not specify and some of their "data points" are estimates but they do not say how they arrive at those.
 
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Is there a link to show us when submerged Honda's windows will roll down? Is this recent models only or 2013 included? Will it be all windows or just one window? Because knowing this would clear a lot up. If they all roll down wouldn't the water rush in for the submerging vehicle's occupants this may cause further problems. So it may be a problem that would harm instead of help.
The wondows do not automatically roll down when submerged, but the switches are built to continue to work after being submerged they dont short out when the car enters the water ...it is talked about on many car forums... here is one link where a honda representative doscusses it. Honda, Acura Windows Opening Automatically When Submerged?
 
  • #997
That seems warm to me. I know it was dark, and she was intoxicated, but you would think she could get out of the rolled down windows in that warm water. Literally 14-20 feet, that is the deep end of some pools. I just can't wrap my head around this. Why would a responsible 16 year old try to drive in this condition?
if you think about it, she is only 16, so how much experience has she had with driving or with alcohol? maybe because she is way out there, she has driven vehicles on private property or plowed or used an ATV, but at 16, a person just has not lived that long, IMO.
 
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IMO there is a boat ramp on the north side of the lake on old Highway 89 out of Hobart Mills.
Her car went into the water just down-shore from the party area.

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Is there a link to show us when submerged Honda's windows will roll down? Is this recent models only or 2013 included? Will it be all windows or just one window? Because knowing this would clear a lot up. If they all roll down wouldn't the water rush in for the submerging vehicle's occupants this may cause further problems. So it may be a problem that would harm instead of help.
According to Honda, it's not automatic, but they will still work. This is a very old article, but the technology was already around for 10 years before it was written.

“There is no automatic function to lower the windows when a car is submerged,” he wrote. “But the Honda window switch spec for many years has required that our power window switches will operate to open the window even when the car is submerged. Thus, someone could still open the window as normal” if that someone was still in the car, and conscious, after it had become submerged."

Windows Do Not Automatically Lower Under Water, Honda Says

I believe once a car is fully submerged and the water pressure evens out, you should be able to exit the window at that point. It would be impossible to get out with water rushing in. If you could get all the windows down at once, it would sink faster BUT maybe give you a better chance of escape because the pressure would even out sooner.


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IMO it looks like there is damage to the front roof, right above the windshield and the windshield itself looks damaged.
Yes, as I look closely the drivers side window does look broken. Clearly broken glass in the corner, and the DRIVER'S SIDE MIRROR is broken, windshield looks damaged, drivers door dent, and over front wheel there is damage?
 
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