GUILTY CA - Lana Clarkson, 40, fatally shot, Alhambra, 3 Feb 2003

[Class-z]

but then you wrote before this...

quote: Kato-
Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

maybe there is... guess we'll just have to wait, eh?

I wrote nothing in this points to suicide.

I meant, the scene, but we've allf elt down from time to time, I never killed myself over it though.. We all have good days and bad days.

Woman don't kill themselves in this manner and why would she do it in someone's house that she had just met? It makes no sense. Plus, he has a history of this type of thing.

 

[georgiagirl]

He looks like an ugly old woman.

I think the word is FUGLY...

 

[Class-z]

she (baden) just said PS couldnt have put the gun in LanaC's mouth because he is shorter and had some "neuroleptic" medication in his blood stream.

I have no idea what that means, but it makes no sense, I didn't think it was reported that someone else was putting all those alcoholic drinks up to his mouth for him.

 

[Class-z]

as you might expect, the smoking gun has some stuff on this case.

"DECEMBER 10--After allegedly murdering actress Lana Clarkson, Phil Spector ran out of his mansion holding a handgun and announced, "I think I just killed someone," according to documents unsealed yesterday in Los Angeles Superior Court. The below search warrant affidavit details the record producer's bar-hopping activities on the February evening that ended with Clarkson, 40, slumped on the floor of Spector's estate with a gunshot wound to her mouth. According to his chauffeur, Spector, 63, met Clarkson at the House of Blues, where the impresario ordered an $8.50 alcoholic drink and a $5.00 bottle of water--and left a $450 tip. Ninety minutes after the pair arrived at Spector's home, the driver heard a gunshot and then saw the reclusive music power exit his home carrying a handgun. (18 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html

QUESTION: wouldnt she at least want to spend the $450 before shooting herself through her recently capped teeth in the home of stranger?

Now, that's an excellent point, just more evidence that points to not a suicide.

Suicide jsut makes no sense what so ever.

 

[Class-z]

Re: The Sucide, Maybe he said you're not leaving (she had her purse on her shoulder as if to be on her way out the door) until we have sex and she looked at him, this thing she thought was a woman at first and thought, oh hell, give me the gun I'll just shoot myself.

 

[Seven]

I have no idea what that means, but it makes no sense, I didn't think it was reported that someone else was putting all those alcoholic drinks up to his mouth for him.

strangely enough, in all that scientific evidence, the defense never mentioned PS's blood alcohol level .... but yesterday one of the CTV TH's said that, after he had been arrested, and @ 12 hours after the shot had been reported, PS's blood alcohol level was 0.08.

 

[Seven]

Re: The Sucide, Maybe he said you're not leaving (she had her purse on her shoulder as if to be on her way out the door) until we have sex and she looked at him, this thing she thought was a woman at first and thought, oh hell, give me the gun I'll just shoot myself.

good one, Class!
that's at least as good a scenario as any
I heard put forth by the Defense today!

 

[Seven]

The first Pros. witness is Dorothy Melvin, the woman who had been in a "casual dating relationship" with PS. (She and the other four alleged gun play victims had been lumped together in a group by Cutler, referring to them multiple times as "the gun incident women.") I thought she was a good witness. Even though the Defense interrupted her testimony every 1-3 minutes with objections, she maintained her focus, did not become rattled, and was very believable on direct examination.

In the part I saw, she described on 7-4-93 having fallen to sleep on PS's couch. it was a white couch and she was wearing a black sheath with a fuscia jacket. when she woke up, it was just getting light, around 5 a.m. She found PS out in the "motor court" pointing a snub-nosed revovler at her mercedes. she started yelling at him to stop. He turned and started advancing on her. after they exchanged more angry words, he back-handed her on the right side of her head, with the gun in his right hand. after he repeated that action a second time and told her to "get the F back in the house," they both went inside, where he told her to take off her clothes and go upstairs. she was crying and asking hiim why he was doing this, telling him she didnt want to go upstairs. then, he started going through her purse and accusing her of having stolen items from his house. Finally, he says you can leave but "the purse stays here." He keeps purse, throws keys at her. She takes keys, drives car to where gates are closed. D runs up with a shotgun, tells her to "get out." When she points out the gate is closed, he opens it and lets her out.

since her purse contained her passport as well as the passport of her employer, joan rivers, she called the police on her car phone. she wanted simply to get her handbag back. after the police came back from PS's house, they told her PS had told them that she had taken her handbag with her when she left and that she had a pattern of calling the police after a "lover's quarrel." She insisted on getting her handbag back from PS or she was going to file charges. So the police took her back to PS's house and she waited outside while they went in. PS was very cordial, sounding as if he were welcoming back old friends. When PS kept insisting she had taken the handbag with her, they informed him that she was going to file charges and put the handcuffs on him. After the handcuffs were on, she went into the house to look for the handbag, but before she could start looking around, one of the officers came from the dining room, holding her handbag and stating that he had found it under a table.

 

[nanandjim]

she (baden) just said PS couldnt have put the gun in LanaC's mouth because he is shorter and had some "neuroleptic" medication in his blood stream.

Maybe, she insisted on leaving. He pulled a gun and told her to sit back down. He kept approaching her with pistol pointed. Then, she acted like she was going to get up and he shot her before she could get up to leave.

 

[Seven]

Maybe, she insisted on leaving. He pulled a gun and told her to sit back down. He kept approaching her with pistol pointed. Then, she acted like she was going to get up and he shot her before she could get up to leave.

that's right .... the prosecution seems to be
onto something with their pattern of behavior ....

* together socially
* he drinks heavily
* they end up alone together at his place
* she tries to leave
* he becomes enraged
* he points a gun at her to prevent her from leaving.

 

[JBean]

I have a friend that was in court today. I will post her notes with her permission when I see them.

 

[Seven]

I have a friend that was in court today. I will post her notes with her permission when I see them.

that sounds interesting, JB!

is that courtroom as little as it looks (from the limited TV angles)?

Have you had a chance to watch any of the coverage?

I like this judge so far. He seems completely fair, and i like the fact that, when that defense attorney was cross examining Melvin and started right off acting snotty/ snippy, the judge said something on the order of, "okay ... we're not gonna have that type of exchange," and that settled him down to where he stopped acting like an obnoxious attack dog. he was still "attacking," but his questioning became a lot more productive and more pleasant to listen to.

 

[kato]

but then you wrote before this...

quote: Kato-
Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

maybe there is... guess we'll just have to wait, eh?

That wasn't me. It was Class-Z Post #76

 

[kato]

I think the word is FUGLY...

LOL I use that word alot.

 

[kato]

that sounds interesting, JB!

is that courtroom as little as it looks (from the limited TV angles)?

Have you had a chance to watch any of the coverage?

I like this judge so far. He seems completely fair, and i like the fact that, when that defense attorney was cross examining Melvin and started right off acting snotty/ snippy, the judge said something on the order of, "okay ... we're not gonna have that type of exchange," and that settled him down to where he stopped acting like an obnoxious attack dog. he was still "attacking," but his questioning became a lot more productive and more pleasant to listen to.

I missed that testimony. Was Cutler the one doing the cross? I have a feeling him and his NY brashness might not go over well with west coast jurors.

 

[Seven]

I missed that testimony. Was Cutler the one doing the cross? I have a feeling him and his NY brashness might not go over well with west coast jurors.

youre in luck! apparently this trial is going to be four days a week, with fridays off, so the nbc live link is replaying yesterday's testimony.

anyway, no. it was the other guy (never got his name because the live feed doesnt have those nice CTV texts at the bottom of the screen). anyway, the judge admonished him a couple times before he even started cross examination, when he made objections, stating: no need to take that tone. you don't have to raise your voice. i'm right here. it took a little while but the guy eventually adjusted his demeanor. so, i'd guess he may be used to using more Cutler-like behaviour, too!

 

[Niner]

no court today??? :waitasec:

 

[Niner]

looks like NO court today... darn...

 

[Seven]

looks like NO court today... darn...

just when it was getting rolling .... i seem to remember beth karas of ctv mentioning that part of the reason the trial was being projected to be 3-4 months was because theyre only going to be in session four days a week (m-th).

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Amazing the hours they keep there. Most courts would work them to death. LOL