GUILTY CA - Lana Clarkson, 40, fatally shot, Alhambra, 3 Feb 2003

[JDB]

I saw Lee and Wecht on catherine crier, each on separate days.
didnt see baden on the subject of PS.

anyway, i agree w/the judge .... lee and wecht and baden have become such brand names that they behave as if they live in their own little bubbles .... the people of the State of California are paying tons for this trial .... the judge is just trying to keep it fair.

It might have been Wecht. I was home sick with bronchitis so head was not all that clear.

 

[William N]

I just took my copy of Hank Goldberg's book, "The Prosecution Responds," out of my bookcase. I glanced at Chapter 33 were Goldberg tells of preparing to cross-examine "Dr." Henry Lee. He found Lee to have quite a Curriculum Vitae.

During a 1989 case he testified that he had investigated four to five thousand homicides. During the William Kennedy Smith case he said he had investigated over a thousand rapes. He claims to be one of the world's leading experts in fingerprint examination, crime-scene reconstruction, and serology. On his CV he claims to be an expert in handwriting comparison and ballistics.

Lee also claims to be an expert in accident reconstruction, arson and fire investigations, and criminal profiling. Goldberg also wrote that Lee investigated the collapse of a bridge in Connecticut. He's an expert in airline crashes. On his CV he says he's an expert on home and industrial security. He is a black belt in judo, karate, and kung fu.

Goldberg writes further, "And in addition to this, as of 1991, he says he has conducted five hundred to a thousand workshops, two hundred to three hundred presentations at professional meetings. In addition to forensis workshops, he also gives numerous lectures at Rotary Clubs, high schools, social clubs, etc. He's flying all over the nation and world to do this. In one case, he testified he published two hundred papers. His CV says he wrote about twenty books."

Goldberg concluded that Lee was something of an egomaniac who loved being a celebrity. "He has sold his autograph on 'blood spatter' coffee mugs for five dollars."

In most of these high-profile cases where Lee testifies for the defense, he says very little.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I think somebody needs to take a closer look at the "books written", etc. How in the worl does "Dr" Lee have time to ever investigate an actual case when he is so busy making appearances?

Has ANYBODY ever really taken a close look at his CV, I wonder?

"During a 1989 case he testified that he had investigated four to five thousand homicides. During the William Kennedy Smith case he said he had investigated over a thousand rapes"

Where was he working when he investigated 4-5 THOUSAND homicides? Where was he working when he investigated over a thousand rapes?

That is a LOT of cases! Anybody ever checked out his CV?

 

[Seven]

"Dr." Henry Lee is vastly over-rated IMO. His "performance" in the Michael Peterson case was pitiful - the spitting of the ketchup. This man is NOT a medical doctor, is NOT a pathologist. He is a "criminalist".

i never even thought about this.
thanks for bringing it up, AlwaysShocked!
(guess he doesnt "volunteer" anymore)

In 1972 he earned his B.S. degree in Forensic Science from John Jay college of Criminal Justice in New York. He went on to study science and biochemistry at New York University and earned his M.S. degree in 1974 and a Ph D. in biochemistry in 1975. In 1975 he volunteered his service to assist the Connecticut State Police to develop forensic laboratory services and introduce the Major Crime Squad concept for criminal investigation.

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/bio/bioLEE.htm

 

[sherri79]

B.S. degree

no comment

 

[Seven]

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYJNUS

no comment

 

[Niner]

I wanted also to to put this here, as I had not seen this before... it's a statement from officer Derek Gilliam:
But Gilliam, I now see, remembered the conversation incorrectly. A little further in the grand jury proceeding, Gilliam was asked to read from his contemporaneous report, which had Spector saying not "Nobody takes a gun from me," but rather, "You don't pull a gun out on me." The latter implied that the gun belonged not to Spector but to Clarkson. Gilliam acknowledged to the grand jury that he'd remembered the conversation imprecisely. Contradiction resolved.

interesting, if you ask me... Since Lana was "security" at House of Blues, do you REALLY think she was carrying a gun??? :crazy:

just something to think about!! LOL!

 

[yadler]

If any of us think that prosecutors don't grieve about itheir lost cases, let me relate what I overheard at the Spector trial yesterday, May 2, 2007:
I adore Dominick Dunne and the horse he rode in on. After what he and his wife experienced after the brutal murder of his daughter, I use his rage against injustice as my touchstone.
Yesterday, in court for the Spector hearing, I saw and heard that he has feet of clay.
There are 6 rows of benches. The first row is taken up with "lawyers only. " The next four rows, for accredited media. The last and sixth row, members of the public. Since her morning's prosecutorial work (the LA Grannie case) was over, she headed to the Spector hearing. She had a seat in the front row, D. Dunne was in the third row and I, in the back/sixth row. During the morning break, people left their seats so that most of the benches around Dunne were empty. Ms Samuels got up from the first row, went over to DD's row. I thought she was going to greet him, "Nice seeing you again, you're looking great," etc. She didn't. Standing and bent over from about one foot away from him, she had a serious, if not sad look on her face: "How could you have written that you were glad that Blake got off? Why did you write that? Please tell me so that I can learn how to read a jury better." DD didn't take his eyes off of her face and looked seriously stricken. No, his mouth did not drop open. He just didn't say a word. Shelley Samuels looked deeply hurt. And then she left.

 

[William N]

If any of us think that prosecutors don't grieve about itheir lost cases, let me relate what I overheard at the Spector trial yesterday, May 2, 2007:
I adore Dominick Dunne and the horse he rode in on. After what he and his wife experienced after the brutal murder of his daughter, I use his rage against injustice as my touchstone.
Yesterday, in court for the Spector hearing, I saw and heard that he has feet of clay.
There are 6 rows of benches. The first row is taken up with "lawyers only. " The next four rows, for accredited media. The last and sixth row, members of the public. Since her morning's prosecutorial work (the LA Grannie case) was over, she headed to the Spector hearing. She had a seat in the front row, D. Dunne was in the third row and I, in the back/sixth row. During the morning break, people left their seats so that most of the benches around Dunne were empty. Ms Samuels got up from the first row, went over to DD's row. I thought she was going to greet him, "Nice seeing you again, you're looking great," etc. She didn't. Standing and bent over from about one foot away from him, she had a serious, if not sad look on her face: "How could you have written that you were glad that Blake got off? Why did you write that? Please tell me so that I can learn how to read a jury better." DD didn't take his eyes off of her face and looked seriously stricken. No, his mouth did not drop open. He just didn't say a word. Shelley Samuels looked deeply hurt. And then she left.

I remember seeing Dominick Dunne on Court TV soon after Blake was acquitted. He said something like, "I was delighted by the verdict." He was obviously happy about Blake getting off. Not his usual reaction to not guilty verdicts in trials he covers.

 

[yadler]

I didn't know that! I was referring to Dunne's monthly columns in Vanity Fair magazine. He expresed his opinion there after the verdict.

 

[William N]

I didn't know that! I was referring to Dunne's monthly columns in Vanity Fair magazine. He expresed his opinion there after the verdict.

Yes, a few days after the verdict, I saw Dunne on the Catherine Crier show expressing his pleasure at the Not Guilty verdict. Dunne did not say that Blake was "innocent" either. Another time, during the Blake Civil Trial, I believe, he joked that "Blake only asked four people to murder his wife." I'm not certain of his exact words, but he said something like that.

Dominick Dunne has made a career out of criticizing the fact that the rich and famous get away with crimes. Not in the Blake case. He may have changed his mind, however.

 

[Niner]

snip...
What does "turning to older men for help" mean?

a $450 dollar tip from Spector?? :waitasec:

OT - by the way Seven - I've started watching the Star Trek Voyager series - and I LOVE Seven of Nine!!

 

[Niner]

hmm.... did one of my posts get deleted?? the one with Spector talking with Det Pendia, or something like that?? I could have SWORN I typed out all the f words and they came out *** with asteriks... didn't I post that HERE??? :waitasec: or am I dreaming... :crazy:

 

[Niner]

snip...
It sounds to me like the defense in this case is going to try to make something of the fact that the limo driver is not a native English speaker. From listening to the 911 call, it seems the limo driver was doing just fine with the English language!

do you have a link to the 911 call?? or transcript?? I thought it was still sealed, as it hasn't been presented by the DA yet?? or am I wrong here??!!

TIA!

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Court TV played the tape of the limo driver making the 911 call, so there should be a transcript of it at the Court TV site. They also played his call to a "Michelle" who is or was Spector's assistant/secretary. The limo driver actually called her FIRST, left a message, and then called 911.

The driver made the 911 call from "the bottom of the driveway at the street" and that is where he waited for the police to arrive. I don't know if he was in the limo or on foot at that point.

The police were on the grounds of Spector's estate for 45 minutes before they approached the house - because, not knowing what they were dealing with, they brought in a SWAT team.

Moderators: Will the Spector trial be getting its own thread? It is going to be a long trial, and a most interesting trial!

There is a hearing going on (without the jury) about discovery evidence - a piece of fingernail - being illegally withheld from the prosecution by the defense team. Dr. Baden already testified and the judge wants to hear from Dr. Lee also, but Lee is said to be in China for two weeks, so they will return to trial testimony on Monday and will hold further hearing about the evidence issue at sometime in the future.

 

[gaia]

AlwaysShocked, I'm wondering the same thing about this case getting it's own THREAD! This trial is going to be a doozie and we need our own thread for it! Sure hope the mods see this and do something about it pronto!!

gaia

 

[tennessee]

I would love for there to be a thread about this trial. Personally, I think Spector is a loon. It will be an interesting case, for sure.

 

[Seven]

Moderators: Will the Spector trial be getting its own thread? It is going to be a long trial, and a most interesting trial!

.... it's a bit hard to find where it is now .... i bet a lot more people would post there if it were in it's own thread on the "jump to" window at the bottom of the page.

wonder what it takes .... a certain number of posts?

 

[Whiner]

www.foxnews.com is streaming the trial live - where is everyone? :waitasec:

Seven - yoo hoo!

 

[Seven]

www.foxnews.com is streaming the trial live - where is everyone? :waitasec:

Seven - yoo hoo!

....... i'm a day late and many dollars short ...
(i was being assimilated into The Collective) !
can you proffer a summary of the highlights?
or was it another one of those

nitty pick days?