GUILTY CA - Lana Clarkson, 40, fatally shot, Alhambra, 3 Feb 2003

[Buzz Mills]

Wasn't he tried for Second Degree murder?

I went back and checked and you are right, but I still don't know what planet those dissenting jurors came from.

 

[LaMer]

I went back and checked and you are right, but I still don't know what planet those dissenting jurors came from.

Hey Buzz, isn't there a place called PlanetHollywood? I just returned from southern CA, and I am so glad to be home and hope to never return there again. I believe some folks there might be brain damaged from the fumes sitting in traffic!

Dangblastit anyway I am really upset and very disappointed in this jury welllll actually the two disenters and they must be NUTCASES!

Hey wasn't the jury foreperson the big notetaker? What the crap did he or they need 3 more notebooks for anyway, and today????? Maybe they are free and the jury foreman needed them for his book. Do they get to take their notes home? I didn't think they were able to keep them. One thing tho, if this big notetaker was a NG, I doubt he really knew the evidence for imo when one is writing constantly, they are not actually able to concentrate and internalize what the heck they were writing.

What a waste of time eh? However, the one good thing, this is still hanging over ole Harvey's head. Thank goodness he wasn't found NG, so far he isn't a member of the club of Blake, Jackson, and OJ.

My prayers are with Lana and her Family! JUSTICE in the next trial for Lana!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I went back and checked and you are right, but I still don't know what planet those dissenting jurors came from.

Me either Buzz. It was 10 to 2, so those ten people must have been pulling their hair out.

 

[kato]

What a FRICKIN' travesty is all I can say.

 

[Wudge]

Okay, its over. HUNG JURY!:loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:

Professional jurors!

 

[Hez]

I went back and checked and you are right, but I still don't know what planet those dissenting jurors came from.

Oh, I know exactly where one of them is from. The foreman (#10) is Phil Spector's neighbour. I kid you not. :razz:

 

[Whiner]

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/27/people_hot_water/main3304607.shtml

While prosecutors in Los Angeles are scrambling to find a way to put Phil Spector back on trial after their first attempt collapsed in a mistrial, juror No. 9, Ricardo Enriquez, says the jury was close to convicting him.

"One of the jurors said that she would vote guilty under protest," he said. "And at that point, a couple of the jurors said, no, we want you to vote it with your conscience, without protest. And then at that point, the -- one of the other jurors started defending his point in terms of not guilty and then she went back to not guilty."

See full article...

 

[Nore]

What a FRICKIN' travesty is all I can say.

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I agree!

 

[accordn2me]

Professional jurors!

Vigilantes!

 

[panthera]

I'm wanting to hear from the two jurors who were stuck on NG, and the other three who were against First Degree. There must be something in the water in Southern California. They should require IQ tests before they qualify people for jury duty.

Buzz, have you ever read the juror profiles at CTV? This really wasn't a surprise considering the friends/family members in (or have been in) prison, deaths by accidental gunshot, suicides, drug use, gangs, etc.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/042507_jurors_ctv.html

 

[panthera]

Oh, I know exactly where one of them is from. The foreman (#10) is Phil Spector's neighbour. I kid you not. :razz:

And how he got on the jury is beyond me. He'd even said that he'd run into Spector at a local store. Plus he had a friend commit suicide & two friends die of accidental gunshot wounds (hunting). Where was the jury consultant for the State? :banghead:

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, have you ever read the juror profiles at CTV? This really wasn't a surprise considering the friends/family members in (or have been in) prison, deaths by accidental gunshot, suicides, drug use, gangs, etc.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/042507_jurors_ctv.html

pamthera, no I haven't read the jurors profiles; I haven't been following this case. I felt confident that the jurors could add 2 + 2 and come up with 4. I should have known that there would be a couple of idiots in the bunch who only believe something if it is taped live. However, I have to admit, that if it came down to a choice between going to bed with with Phil Spector, or committing suicide; the odds are good that she committed suicide. Please excuse my attempt at levity, and may God rest her soul. They should have put Phil away for awhile a long time ago, when he first started the behavior with a gun. I'll bet there are even more women out there,who experienced this same thing from PS, but haven't come forward.

 

[Class-z]

pamthera, no I haven't read the jurors profiles; I haven't been following this case. I felt confident that the jurors could add 2 + 2 and come up with 4. I should have known that there would be a couple of idiots in the bunch who only believe something if it is taped live. However, I have to admit, that if it came down to a choice between going to bed with with Phil Spector, or committing suicide; the odds are good that she committed suicide. Please excuse my attempt at levity, and may God rest her soul. They should have put Phil away for awhile a long time ago, when he first started the behavior with a gun. I'll bet there are even more women out there,who experienced this same thing from PS, but haven't come forward.

Ronnie Spector could write a book, but she's so terrified of him she refused to testify.

 

[panthera]

pamthera, no I haven't read the jurors profiles; I haven't been following this case. I felt confident that the jurors could add 2 + 2 and come up with 4. I should have known that there would be a couple of idiots in the bunch who only believe something if it is taped live. However, I have to admit, that if it came down to a choice between going to bed with with Phil Spector, or committing suicide; the odds are good that she committed suicide. Please excuse my attempt at levity, and may God rest her soul. They should have put Phil away for awhile a long time ago, when he first started the behavior with a gun. I'll bet there are even more women out there,who experienced this same thing from PS, but haven't come forward.

You know, I thought the same thing too about the jury since juries have convicted defendants on less evidence than what was in this trial. But this jury does seem on a par with the one who acquitted Blake ~ as if someone came up and shot Bonny in the car while he was retrieving his gun from the restaurant. It makes just about as much sense, since Spector was alone in the house with Lana ~ who had never been to his house before or knew he had a loaded gun.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Oh, I know exactly where one of them is from. The foreman (#10) is Phil Spector's neighbour. I kid you not. :razz:

Is that really true? One of the jurors said that the foreman and a woman refused to change their vote no matter what was pointed out to them, It was also said that the woman went back and forth but once the foreman stuck to "not guilty" she stuck with him. It was also said that the foreman had a friend that committed suicide and that for a while it wasn't known if it was a suicide or murder but they settled on suicide. The juror talking thought that had something to do with the foreman's belief that it was a suicide.

I really found the Mexican man on the jury interesting. He is very outspoken about how he felt and why. He really shared quite a bit the day after the judge said that the jury was hung. He was on CTV and talked to a couple different anchors during their shows. I don't see how anyone could find Spector "not guilty." It was said that the foreman could come up with an argument over anything that was said. He had an answer for everything the others brought up. I think he had his mind made up before the trial ever started. He was kind of an arrogant azz when talking to the media.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Quote from juror #10 (foreman holdout):
Of the Jackson, Blake and Simpson trials, the juror wrote, "The impression these cases left is that everyone has problems and that fame and fortune don't shield anyone."

He clearly saw the defendants in those cases as victims, not the system being victimized by fame and wealth. Moreover, he had a friend commit suicide that was open to question whether it was...

The other holdout has numerous criminals in the family.

As much as I admire DA Jackson (not to mention major drooling), I think he lost it at jury selection.

 

[biggirl]

"However, I have to admit, that if it came down to a choice between going to bed with with Phil Spector, or committing suicide; the odds are good that she committed suicide. Please excuse my attempt at levity, and may God rest her soul. They should have put Phil away for awhile a long time ago, when he first started the behavior with a gun. I'll bet there are even more women out there,who experienced this same thing from PS, but haven't come forward."

I love this quote! I agree that for every incident that is reported there are probably many more that are not. This Jurys inablility to reach a verdict is so disappointing. The Judge and staff at Court are probably sick that after all the time and money put into this trial, they are back to square one.:banghead: I do believe that a hung Jury is far better than a compromise not guilty. That would be a free pass for PS to continue this behavior.

 

[panthera]

Quote from juror #10 (foreman holdout):
Of the Jackson, Blake and Simpson trials, the juror wrote, "The impression these cases left is that everyone has problems and that fame and fortune don't shield anyone."

He clearly saw the defendants in those cases as victims, not the system being victimized by fame and wealth. Moreover, he had a friend commit suicide that was open to question whether it was...

The other holdout has numerous criminals in the family.

As much as I admire DA Jackson (not to mention major drooling), I think he lost it at jury selection.

I completely agree! I think Jackson did a superb job presenting the State's evidence, but I've always wondered about jurors with personal experiences that could affect the outcome of the trial. I did believe that juror #5 would be the problem with her remarks about "the justice system worked" in the OJ trial and a husband in prison, but #10 not only living near Spector, seen him shopping at a local store, and family & friends involved in fatal gunshot accidents and a suicide ~ he should never have been on the jury.

 

[panthera]

Spector attorneys quit

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Phil Spector's lead attorneys told a judge on Wednesday they were quitting the case, delaying the legendary rock figure's murder retrial for several months while he assembles a new defence team.

Prosecutors have said they will try Spector, best known for his "Wall of Sound" recording technique, again for the 2003 shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson after the first trial ended last week with the jury deadlocked 10-2 for conviction.


Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler told both sides he wanted the new trial to begin within four months and set another hearing in the case for October 23.

But Spector's lead attorney Roger Rosen, who is stepping down from the case along with Bradley Brunon and Linda Kenney-Baden, said that might be difficult because Spector's new lawyers would need time to prepare.

Rosen said he was leaving the case in part because, after the first five-month trial, he needed to turn his attention to other clients. He said Spector, 67, also wanted the "fresh perspective" of a new defence team.

"Of course now (Spector) is faced with this ordeal all over again and I'm sure from that point of view he's not happy," Rosen told reporters.

Clarkson, who starred in such films as "Amazon Women on the Moon" and "Barbarian Queen," was found dead in the foyer of Spector's Los Angeles area mock-castle in the early morning hours of February 3, 2003.

Both prosecutors and defence attorneys agreed that Clarkson, 40, was killed by a gunshot through the mouth. Continued...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUKN0324149020071003

 

[biggirl]

I am so happy the prosecutors are going forward again. It is such a waste of taxpayers money for a trial to end in a hung jury, but I would rather have a hung jury than a compromise not guilty. I think if I were the prosecutors I would keep a keen eye on the new panel. I really think there could have been some tampering with the pool and that is just MHO but it could happen.

I would not put ANYTHING past PS and his cohorts. JMHO of course