CA CA - Linden, UncFem 18-25 & Fetus, UP68613, Speed Freak Killers' victims in well, Feb'12

[LinasK]

I had really doubted that they had been responsible for the MG abduction. The victims usually aged as the killers (WS and LH) aged. After seeing the sketch of Michaels abductor its a dead ringer for Loren Herzog, imo. But, the sketch also looks like the kidnapper of Jaycee Duggard. If the speed freak killers were also killing young children..then they're pedophiles as well as killers. And that should open up a whole lot of new cases..spanning states!

These guys killed so many people just because they wanted to. They we're mobile, and have been in several other states..This should be front page news until the victims are found and back with thier familys! Almost 30 years of waiting for some of these familys..how much heartache does it take to get the digging stated again! IMOO

Jaycee Dugard's kidnapper was ruled out in Michaela Garcht's case. Palm prints didn't match.

 

[wintermute]

Is there a palm print on file for Herzog? This is probably a dumb question because LE probably would have made the comparison by now.

 

[Leprikawn]

I wonder if the palm print on the scooter even belonged to the kidnapper. But I think they should check out Loren Herzogs wife and see if her palm print matches. Christine "Sugar" Herzog continues to defend her husband and frankly.....someone was in the back of the car holding Michaela down. This child did not go quietly and I highly doubt she would have stayed down and quiet unless Wesley or someone else was holding her down.

there was no witnesses to WHO moved the scooter. Anyone associated with these two are suspects in my opinion.

 

[Leprikawn]

FBI closer to resuming remains search
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By Scott Smith
Record Staff Writer
October 20, 2012 12:00 AM
STOCKTON - An FBI spokeswoman on Friday said that agents were moving closer to resuming the recovery of murder victims discarded years ago by killers Wesley Shermantine and Loren Herzog.

FBI spokeswoman Gina Swankie said she couldn't give a timeline of when agents would renew the recovery effort, but they are working behind the scenes to make it happen.

"It's an ongoing process," Swankie said. "There's a lot of moving parts to get to that point. We're getting there."

The statement came after Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgiani sent a five-page pointed letter dated Oct. 18 to Herb Brown, the FBI Sacramento bureau's agent in charge.

She listed a series of questions, asking Brown if he or San Joaquin County Sheriff Steve Moore were in charge of what she considers to be a flawed recovery effort. Galgiani urges Brown to take action.

"I ask that you continue the recovery effort without further delay," Galgiani wrote.

Shermantine and Herzog of Linden were arrested in 1999, ending a 15-year methamphetamine-fueled killing spree. The case reignited in February when San Joaquin County sheriff's deputies recovered the remains of five murder victims.

Herzog had committed suicide Jan. 17. Shermantine in his death row letters maintains that there are more victims to be recovered.

Contact reporter Scott Smith at (209) 546-8296 or [email protected]. Visit his blog at recordnet.com/smithblog.

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[dotr]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2012/11/08/20340416.html

SAN FRANCISCO - The FBI is preparing to search one of four abandoned wells in California recently singled out by convicted “Speed Freak” serial killer Wesley Shermantine as a site where he and his partner in crime disposed of their victims’ bodies.

The San Joaquin County Board of Supervisors agreed on Tuesday to spend up to $200,000 for an FBI-supervised contractor to conduct excavations in and around the well and unearth its contents, expanding a months-long quest for human remains linked to the killers.

“Everyone’s goal, if there’s remains in these wells, is to recover them and return them to their loved ones,” said Les Garcia, a spokesman for county Sheriff Steve Moore"

 

[cocomod]

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/01/07/sources-search-resumes-for-speed-freak-killers-in-linden/

CBS13 sources said the search would resume on Monday in the Linden area near a well that had previously been searched.

...the FBI said it will begin a two-to-three week excavation of a well about 50 feet deep...

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archi...ins-of-san-joaquin-serial-killer-victims.html

Herb Brown, special agent in charge of the FBI's Sacramento office, said there is no guarantee that investigators will find remains. However, officials are hopeful based on information gathered so far in the investigation.

I hope that other families will get answers from this!

 

[carbuff]

I hope the FBI is more careful and more thorough than the sheriff's department was!

 

[hoshizora]

I'm glad the FBI is now involved. They would have access to better technology, resources and equipment. If they actually organise the remains and send them all back to the family without messing up victims between each other, then they've already done a better job than the police department.

 

[CarlK90245]

It was reported on the Michaela Garecht thread, so I'll mention it here too.

According to Michaela's mother Sharon, the skull fragments thought to belong to a young child (which were commingled with the remains of JoAnn Hobson) actually belonged to Kimberly Billy.

Kimberly was 19 at the time of her disappearance. So this is just one more screw-up in what has turned out to be a very poorly-run recovery effort.

 

[amber1]

So glad another family does not have to go through pain. Intersting how they said it belonged to a young child, when Kimberly was 19.

 

[hoshizora]

Yes I also find it strange that Kimberly was 5'5 and thought to have been someone who was 4'8, and was mingled with someone else who was 4'8. Plus she was already identified. Just shows how careless the police were. Hopefully the FBI will be more caring.

Any word on the pregnant mixed race woman? Has she been identified?

 

[CarlK90245]

...
Any word on the pregnant mixed race woman? Has she been identified?

Nothing AFAIK.

 

[dotr]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2013/02/23/20602491.html
"SAN FRANCISCO -- Investigators searching for possible additional victims of California’s “speed freak” serial killings of the 1980s and ’90s have run out of places to look, after the latest excavation of a suspected burial site came up empty, the FBI said.

No human remains were found in the abandoned, 100-foot-deep well dug out by hand during a six-week operation on a patch of pasture land near the San Joaquin County town of Linden, east of San Francisco, the FBI said on Thursday.

The well shaft, mostly filled with rock-hard soil, was about 200 yards (meters) from a spot identified last summer by condemned killer Wesley Shermantine as a probable burial site for some of those killed by him and his now-deceased accomplice, Loren Herzog"

 

[Redux]

Also missing from Stockton are

Kimberly Billy: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/billy_kimberly.html

Gayle Marks: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marks_gayle.html

Karen Sterzl: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sterzl_karen.html

Karen Sterzl has been found in Manteca. I was looking for a thread for her to update it, but this is the only post referencing her, so I thought I'd post this in case anyone comes back to this thread...

http://www.kcra.com/news/23-years-a...ard/-/11797728/20444894/-/pbm6yv/-/index.html

Skeletal remains found in a residential Manteca yard have been identified as belonging to a woman who went missing in Stockton in 1990.

 

[amber1]

I am hoping Gayle Marks will be found. Being she was from Stockton, Ca and considering the circumstances, timeline and the victim herself, I have always believed she was a SFK victim.

 

[amber1]

I thought this was interesting:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130605/A_NEWS/130609948/-1/a_news02
I wonder if they know who did? Is she a possible SFK victim?

 

[CatFancier]

Stockton police: Missing woman had been strangled

Karen Sterzl, who was 36, was reported missing in 1991.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/article/262158/2/Police-Missing-woman-had-been-strangled

 

[Leprikawn]

I guess the sheriff and the FBI did a great job of painting Shermantine a liar, no one is going to look for anymore bodies. Very sad

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[amber1]

Disappointing-all those mysteries, families & missing persons that will not get to go home. I strongly believe Gayle Marks was one of their victims...and now her mother will not get closure. So close, yet so far

 

[cocomod]

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ge...ry-of-victims-remains-in-san-joaquin-county/3

Two prominent scientists have added to the chorus of criticism of the embattled San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office over its 2012 excavation of a Central Valley well that held victims of the “Speed Freak Killers,” according to court documents, saying the recovery effort was flawed and failed to follow established standards. The revelations raise further questions about whether possible evidence pointing to unidentified victims of the infamous serial killer duo was lost during the recovery of remains.

Critics have lambasted the Sheriff’s Office for using a backhoe to search a Linden well linked to the serial killers, alleging that the remains found were fractured, commingled and dishonored — including mixing human remains with animal bones. The sheriff’s handling of the investigation has come under fire by current and former law enforcement officials, a state senator and others.