CA CA - Los Angeles Co., WhtMale 2279UMCA, 17-21, near Mt Baldy, Mar'79

[Natasha Mullins]

I don't see a third set of remains in NamUs so I think it might just be the two pieces of Mt. Baldy John Doe. Mt Baldy's skull and Upland's body were found within two days of each other while Mt. Baldy's body was found two months earlier so I can see how they would have counted it as three and not made the connection until later. But I do still wonder how certain they are that the head and body are the same person. You'd think that with DNA on file, they would know and note that on the case files. The torso and head weirdly have different rule-out lists as well, but all sources besides NamUs seem to be certain it's the same person. Is there maybe a legal reason they have to be listed separately? It's the same county, but since it's different towns are the two pieces of remains under different police departments? I'm definitely confused as well XD

 

[charminglane]

Might it be that Mt. Baldy is now federal land?

 

[Natasha Mullins]

That's a really good theory. It looks like Mt. Baldy is in a national forest which could change things?

 

[bflocket]

This is an article about this UID that appeared in the June 1, 1979 Orange County Register. Originally, it sounds like they thought that the head and body were from different people.

Do you happen to know anything about the other bodies found nearby? I don't whether these could be part of a "regular murder" (i.e. drug, gang, etc) dump or something like Kraft/Kearney/Bonin. One (already supposedly matched) murder on Kraft's scorecard was a note about a sawed off head.

 

[CarlK90245]

That is very close to area that Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris dumped the bodies of four of their five known victims. Same highway, just a little closer to the city of Glendora than where this John Doe was found. Andrea Hall and Lucinda Schaffer are still up there somewhere, whatever might remain of them. But they disappeared after the date of that article.

Bittaker and Norris targeted teenaged females though, not males.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Thinking about Mount Baldy John Doe it's been 43 years without being identified, I hope that one day he will be identified.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Is it possible that Steven Ericson may have grown up to be this Doe? He would have been the right age at the time.

He went missing from the same area and the jawline is exact. Maybe he ran away or was held in captivity? Here is the Doe for comparison or at least the head. Here is the table I always put down.

	Steven Ericson #MP50743	Mt. Baldy John Doe #UP79269 and/or #UP4410	Possible?
Sex	Male	Unsure, Likely Male	Likely
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Hair Color	Blond/Strawberry	Blond/Strawberry	Match
Eye Color	Hazel	Unknown	Possible
Estimated D.O.D/D.L.C	June 1, 1972	1979	Unknown/Unlikely
Estimated Age Range	19	19-26	Match
Height	5'10"	5'7"-5'10"	Match
Weight	170lbs	Unknown
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Vaccination Scar to Upper Arm	Unknown/Unlikely
Circumstances	Last seen on June 1, 1972	Found at Mt. Baldy. Rest of remains possibly found.	Unknown
Distance	Grass Valley- Mt. Baldy	477 miles	Possible

So few details are available in his case that it may be possible he may have ran away? It is possible.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Is it possible that Steven Ericson may have grown up to be this Doe? He would have been the right age at the time.

He went missing from the same area and the jawline is exact. Maybe he ran away or was held in captivity? Here is the Doe for comparison or at least the head. Here is the table I always put down.

	Steven Ericson #MP50743	Mt. Baldy John Doe #UP79269 and/or #UP4410	Possible?
Sex	Male	Unsure, Likely Male	Likely
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Hair Color	Blond/Strawberry	Blond/Strawberry	Match
Eye Color	Hazel	Unknown	Possible
Estimated D.O.D/D.L.C	June 1, 1972	1979	Unknown/Unlikely
Estimated Age Range	19	19-26	Match
Height	5'10"	5'7"-5'10"	Match
Weight	170lbs	Unknown
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Vaccination Scar to Upper Arm	Unknown/Unlikely
Circumstances	Last seen on June 1, 1972	Found at Mt. Baldy. Rest of remains possibly found.	Unknown
Distance	Grass Valley- Mt. Baldy	477 miles	Possible

So few details are available in his case that it may be possible he may have ran away? It is possible.

I think it’s possible. I’ve researched Steven’s case and could find so little. I came up with one potential match but I think yours is viable. Nothing apparent to rule it out.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I pray that Mount Baldy John Doe can get its name back soon.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

No new exclusions. Still only these two listed below:

Missing Person / NamUs #MP17575Ronald Kruska
Date of Last ContactOctober 10, 1978
StateCA
CountyLos Angeles

Missing Person / NamUs #MP10913Rickey Enochs
Date of Last ContactJune 30, 1977
StateMO
CountyMarion

@Caring1 by any chance Ronald Kruska and Rickey Enochs are still the only exclusions?

 

[HmmMysterious]

@Caring1 by any chance Ronald Kruska and Rickey Enochs are still the only exclusions?

Yes, I checked today and they're still the only exclusions.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

"Body is found," San Bernardino County Sun, 25 May 1979, B4.

"Body parts do not match," San Bernardino County Sun, 26 May 1979, B1.

"Headless bodies," San Bernardino County Sun, 30 May 1979, B5.

"Dogs aid in search," San Bernardino County Sun, 1 June 1979, B4.

"Head, body may match after all," San Bernardino County Sun, 6 June 1979, B4.

 

[Spyralflare]

So strange, I lived right nearby at the time but don’t remember hearing about this at all. I was young and may not have been paying attention. Glendora Ridge Road would be a good spot to dump a body; Baldy, not so much (more people around). Hoping this is solved one day.

 

[cvaldez1975]

"Body is found," San Bernardino County Sun, 25 May 1979, B4.
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"Body parts do not match," San Bernardino County Sun, 26 May 1979, B1.
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"Headless bodies," San Bernardino County Sun, 30 May 1979, B5.
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"Dogs aid in search," San Bernardino County Sun, 1 June 1979, B4.
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"Head, body may match after all," San Bernardino County Sun, 6 June 1979, B4.
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I was going to ask, now that they have the technology why not dna the head and bodies but then I remembered LA county cremated remains before

 

[theshadow45]

Mt. Baldy John Doe has been unidentified for 44 years today.

 

[theshadow45]

Mt. Baldy John Doe has been unidentified for 45 years today.

 

[theshadow45]

Mt. Baldy John Doe has been unidentified for 46 years today.

 

[The4TierBridge]

Is it possible that DNA testing has shown the head and body are two different people? Both NamUs profiles are still up.

 

[FlyOfDragons]

i reached out to the LA County Medical Examiner to clarify whether or not the skull matches the torso. here is the response i received from Investigator Betsy Magdaleno

the torso and skull found on Mt Baldy in 1979 are two different cases and have not been matched to each other through scientific means
(i have just sent a reply asking if this means that they have been definitively ruled out, or simply that they cannot conclusively match them if that makes sense. i'll follow up once i receive a response)

UPDATE: Inv. Magdaleno replied, "I have provided all information that can be provided to the public."

 

[FlyOfDragons]

Mapping out mile marker 10-74 on Glendora Ridge Road (where the headless body was found) and mile marker 1-18 on Mt. Baldy Road (where the skull and mandible were found), they appear to be less than 2 miles apart.

hey Carl! may i ask where you got the information regarding Claremont John Doe being found near mile marker 1.18 on Mt Baldy Rd? just wondering because this is pretty far from Claremont, and i can't seem to find any other sources that mention the mile marker regarding the skull