CA CA - Los Angeles, HispFem 484UFCA, 12-15, in alley, distinctive tattoo, May'89

[hafom8840]

Angelica has a mole on her nose. Couldn't see that in the pictures you linked, but here is a picture where you can see it more clearly. Depending on what kind of mole it was it could have been removed of course. View attachment 450001

I just pasted the postmortem Jane Doe photo next to a school yearbook photo of this girl to compare and contrast. A few inconsistencies; overall doubt it's her

 

[EmiliaRT007]

I just pasted the postmortem Jane Doe photo next to a school yearbook photo of this girl to compare and contrast. A few inconsistencies; overall doubt it's her

Agree. Think it’s a rule out.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Moving case back up. Such a young girl who seems to have had a difficult life. Her rings are interesting and beautiful.

Somebody must have been missing her so much back then -- and probably still.

NamUs:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Doe Network:

484UFCA

 

[aurycore]

The tattoo is a sign that she has been trafficked, and so was the gold ID bracelet she had. According to someone, the jewelry is made by a company in Los Angeles' Chinatown, known as idLam, but I can't find any sources or stores with that name, and allegedly this all sort of tied back to the house of francis brothel. They all scream human trafficking.

Me + this said individual tried to decipher the tattoo--P.O can stand for "property of" but the other interesting fact we found is that the backwards P can indicate that the doe was working under South Pacific Cartel, since they use the backwards P as their symbol of some sort. The H and S can likely be the leader of the gang who tattooed her. As for why it is crudely done, tattoo artists often keep records of their clients, so to avoid any records of her name, it was crudely done.

I understand that children around her age had jewelry, but the lionhead ring always stuck out to me since... Where would she have gotten it, including all of the other rings on her fingers?

 

[aurycore]

I also want to point out that the decedent is stated to be approximately 12-15 years old. The rings on her finger look a bit too... I don't want to say grown but they look like something a 17-18 year old would wear rather than a girl close to the ages of 12-15, since i'd assume they'd prefer thinner pieces of jewelry. maybe its likely that she got them from one of the cartel members or something.

 

[aurycore]

We also don't have a photo of the tattoo, which is a bit weird. It is on the upper thigh but i'd assume someone would at least get a picture of it so it can be easier to decipher.

 

[aurycore]

It could be a trafficking stamp. She may have been lured in by an older man looking to traffic young girls. POH may stand for Property Of and maybe the trafficker, if there is one, his name starts with an H. The S in this case might mean “sex” or “slave”, like a BDSM type thing. However there is no evidence that Jane Doe was SA’d before her death. She could have just died and someone dumped her out of panic or hoping someone would claim the body. That’s just a theory of mine.

Or it could just be a tattoo. Just a normal tattoo. Maybe the letters have some significance to her? Maybe a boyfriend’s initials, her own initials, a lost loved one, like an aunt, uncle, grandparent, sibling, etc? Maybe the letters have no meaning. The tattoo is very distinct.

I have a similar tattoo to this girl. Mine is homemade, obviously, since I’m only 16. Mine reads “с миром и любовью”, which is a Russian phrase meaning “with peace and love”. I have Russian heritage and my grandmother would write this in her birthday and Christmas cards she gave to me. She’s still alive but in bad health. Maybe it’s a foreign word or phrase? Someone suggested Hindi or Bengali letters.

To be honest I can see that. She looks very racially ambiguous to me. She looks more Latina in the composite but more Middle Eastern or South Asian in the PM photo. Maybe she was Indian/Bangladeshi and the letters meant something in Hindi or Bengali?

The same person suggested Cyrillic. I have nothing to go off of for her tattoo since there are no pictures of it available, but maybe it is Cyrillic. Again, I’m Russian-American so I know what Cyrillic looks like. But with letters that look similar to these they have no meaning in Russian, leading me to believe if this is in fact Cyrillic on her tattoo, she may have been from/have heritage in the Central Asian “stan” countries (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan). Really leaning towards the last three. Those countries use Cyrillic too, and especially did in 1989. Now they are kind of switching over to Latin or Arabic script.

The backwards P may be a sign that she was associated with the South Pacific Cartel, maybe the Sinaloa Cartel. I do believe a picture of the tattoo would be helpful in trying to figure out what it stands for.

 

[aurycore]

The tattoo's initials could likely lead to the name of Hector from what I googled, and the last name I sort of forgot. But I'm trying to decipher it as best as possible

 

[EmiliaRT007]

The backwards P may be a sign that she was associated with the South Pacific Cartel, maybe the Sinaloa Cartel. I do believe a picture of the tattoo would be helpful in trying to figure out what it stands for.

Good theory. I will have to look into that a bit.

 

[aurycore]

i tried to look into the south pacific cartel and the initials of the H and S, but nothing came up for the initials.

For the doe, I do believe that she either immigrated to the states (likely from Tijuana, because that is what borders California, though there could be another way) and she may have gotten caught up in the cartels' shenanigans. Though California is a sanctuary city, some immigrants do get caught up in gangs or organized crime for the sole purpose of protection. (i.e.: MS.13) Maybe this could be the reason why there's not many sufficient records on who she is, sort of similar to the case of Maria Mendez, who was recently identified. Before she was thought, she had a fraudulent Mexican Document that did say her real name but they likely couldn't verify who she was because of the documents being forged.

About M.S 13---MS 13 was once a group that was established for the sole intention of protecting Salvadorian immigrants, but quickly became a notorious gang. Many immigrants to join organized crime for protection since they face risks of getting sent back to their home country and they need someone to protect them.

 

[aurycore]

Jane Doe has a much darker complexion, like someone from Southern Mexico or Guatemala with a Mayan ancestry. Maria Medina has a much lighter complexion - more of a European/Hispanic mix.

I think you may have a good point with southern Mexico. maybe she came from tijuana, since it borders California very closely.

 

[aurycore]

Could the P have been done backwards, and be a 9?

As said before, the backwards P = the sign of the south pacific cartel.

The tattoo description is still confusing to me.

I also think why its confusing is because we don't have a photograph of the tattoo. We'd probably have to contact someone to get a photograph of it to see what it really means.

 

[aurycore]

Really wish they could share a photo of her tattoos -- seems like it could be a good clue.

i think the reason why they didnt share it is because its on the upper thigh + the UID is a minor. I don't know if there are any existing laws regarding photographing a young UID but I'm assuming because of where the tattoo was, they didn't take a pic of it for that reason.

they could have sketched the tattoo but I guess they didn't.

 

[aurycore]

this is from her doe network page---She has all dna, dentals and prints, yet no identification? That's so odd.

 

[aurycore]

Considering the size of LA, this could be far-fetched. But my aunt would have been 14/15 at this time, right about the age of the UID. She was raised in a very bad neighborhood, but she spent a lot of time in other parts of LA. She is half Filipino, half Caucasian...lots of people mistook her for Mexican. LA has a high Hispanic population as well.

So, what I'm getting at is, there's a very small chance that my aunt could have met this girl. They were about the same age, and she could've easily blended into a Hispanic community. I'll have to ask her.

did you ever get any answers from your aunt?

 

[Goecke]

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this is from her doe network page---She has all dna, dentals and prints, yet no identification? That's so odd.

This makes me think she was never reported missing in the US, or if she was, she didn't have fingerprints or dental xrays taken while alive. Lots of UIDs have all of these identifiers available.

 

[aurycore]

This makes me think she was never reported missing in the US, or if she was, she didn't have fingerprints or dental xrays taken while alive. Lots of UIDs have all of these identifiers available.

Or maybe it's likely that she's undocumented, hence why she probably wasn't reported, or its why she hasn't been recognized---Maybe the other reason is because maybe her family was undocumented and they didn't want to face deportation, so that could come up as another possible reason as to why she can't be identified.
Her cause of death is also jarring. Of course, there was some blunt trauma on her head, but was it homicide by beating? in the uncensored version of her postmortem one of her eyes is open and swollen, so I'm assuming that she was likely beaten, but I don't think there were any physical scars on her body.

 

[Goecke]

It's very possible that she was undocumented or that her family was undocumented- We've seen that be a reason before; Anjelica Castillo comes to mind.

Her COD isn't publicly available. *Something* is censored on her forehead on the PM pic, but the swelling/one open eye could be from postmortem changes. We can't really speculate on the cause of death just from the PM, imo. Either her COD is genuinely undetermined or they know but it hasn't been made public for whatever reason.

 

[aurycore]

It's very possible that she was undocumented or that her family was undocumented- We've seen that be a reason before; Anjelica Castillo comes to mind.

Her COD isn't publicly available. *Something* is censored on her forehead on the PM pic, but the swelling/one open eye could be from postmortem changes. We can't really speculate on the cause of death just from the PM, imo. Either her COD is genuinely undetermined or they know but it hasn't been made public for whatever reason.

as said, her PM photo is censored. apparently one of her eyes is opened in the uncensored version so that indicates some sort of swelling.

 

[Goecke]

as said, her PM photo is censored. apparently one of her eyes is opened in the uncensored version so that indicates some sort of swelling.

I saw that version, it's posted further up in the thread. It's pretty disturbing, but the body naturally swells/bloats postmortem so I can't tell if it's traumatic vs. natural as a layperson. NamUs has plenty of other PM pictures of other Does that look similar.

ETA: The spot on her forehead is still censored/edited on the "original" PM.