GUILTY CA - Lydia Schatz, 7, beaten to death, sister injured, Paradise, 5 Feb 2010

[Missizzy]

I've been mulling over Lydia's murder ever since I learned of it. It hasn't been a good year for the Christians and it's just the beginning of March. I was ashamed of Laura Silsby and her group as I was raised Baptist, have adopted from Haiti, and our family even mounted a "helping trip" to Biloxi after Katrina. Ms. Silsby's actions make me deeply ashamed of much I hold in high esteem and frankly, embarrassed me. I've continued to be appalled by Silsby's group absolute disregard for the law and for another culture ways.

And then came Lydia Schatz. Another internationally adopted child...another black child....like so many of mine. A large seemingly loving family with a misguided twist on discipline a la "No Greater Joy"--the teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl. The Pearls have the audacity and the arrogance to ignore the suffering and death of one precious child and the life threatening injuries of another in the family. They are not being Christ like and asking to help, showing compassion. They maintain their proud stance that "children must totally submit". There seems to be an attitude bordering on smugness, much like the playground bully. They're tough...tougher than little kids. Nobody's gonna stand up to them and walk away without crying.

So, I've been doing a lot of research and have had my ear to ground. I'm actually quite pleased with what I've been hearing. The homeschoolers, the Fundamentalists, the Evangelicals are starting to question this monster in their midst. It's about time. I truly fear what will happen to children who have been raised with this false dogma. I'm hoping it isn't too late form them to regain some of their spirit. A child's spirit belongs to them, and only them. It is not for a parent to beat out of them. Beating the spirit from a child is akin to stealing their innocence. And both actions are evil.

I found lots of links that I'd planned to post but you can all find them easily. Many homeschooling moms happen to be fine writers and chroniclers of their lifestyles. Many achieve a level of grace which I admire even if I don't agree with all their choices and values. Their blogs aren't hard to locate and they're all talking right now. I thought I'd post one poignant comment from a mom who has obviously been shaken to the core by a tragedy which struck within her "community".

http://mommypress.com/rebecca/tag/michael-pearl

"Oh yes…they murdered the 7 year old because she couldn’t pronounce the word “pulled”. That’s right – this self-professed Christian, homeschooling, adoptive parent family BEAT A GIRL TO DEATH.

That’s horrific.

Want to know what’s worse?

They did it to her in the name of Jesus and Micheal Pearl. Just in case any of my readers are confused, let me explain. You may not know who Mr. Pearl is – I’ll get to that – but I’m pretty sure you don’t know who their Jesus is either. Because that Jesus isn’t the same Jesus I serve, the one who clearly stated “Let the children come to me, and forbid them not” and “the kingdom of Heaven is of such as these” and “what you did unto the least of these my brethren, you did to me” and “unless you become as a little child, you shall in no wise enter the kingdom”.

She finishes with:

"I know that God can bring good out of the ashes of any sort of evil. I’m praying that the good that arises out of the torture and murder of this child is that people will finally realize the devastation and wrongness and anti-Christness of the Pearl’s “ministry”. And I’m hoping that maybe, this will be the case that forces them to stand trial along with the parents who espoused their “training” methods all the way to the point of murder."

Amen.

 

[kbl8201]

jesus helped roman soldiers who needed it, forgave prostitutes and thieves, offered salvation to the 2 men crucified along side him (if i remember that correctly) and he would never condone what these freaks do 'in hi sname'

 

[Missizzy]

I guess it shouldn't shock me that Michael Pearl also believes that God hates divorce more than child molestation:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158636&page=5

Michael Pearl: "But if your husband has sexually molested the children, you should approach him with it. If he is truly repentant (not just exposed) and is willing to seek counseling, you may feel comfortable giving him an opportunity to prove himself, as long as you know the children are safe.

If there is any thought that they are not safe, or if he is not repentant and willing to seek help, then go to the law and have him arrested. Stick by him, but testify against him in court. Have him do about 10 to 20 years, and by the time he gets out, you will have raised the kids, and you can be waiting for him with open arms of forgiveness and restitution. Will this glorify God? Forever.

You ask, "What if he doesn’t repent even then?" Then you will be rewarded in heaven equal to the martyrs, and God will have something to rub in the Devil’s face. God hates divorce—always, forever, regardless, without exception."

 

[kbl8201]

wow.......i have no words for that that wont get me banned

 

[Texas Mist]

I hope Pearl's kids & grandkids are safe from abuse....but makes me wonder how they could be. Family reunions must be torture - at least mentally, if not physically.

 

[PickieChickie]

Couple in court today​

Posted: 02/25/2010 11:44:07 AM PST

Paradise couple Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz are scheduled to appear in court today on charges of murder and torture in the death of their adopted 7-year-old daughter. The couple is expected to enter a plea today. They are accused killing 7-year-old Lydia Schatz and severely beating their 11-year-old adopted daughter, Zariah Schatz.

Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey said he now has evidence showing a direct connection between the Schatz case and No Greater Joy Ministry, a fundamentalist religious organization founded by Michael and Debi Pearl. He would not disclose the evidence at this time. Ramsey said Lydia Schatz was held down for several hours by one parent while the other struck her repeatedly with a quarter-inch plumbing supply line. He said Kevin and Elizabeth were both involved in the beating, and it appears they "took turns."

Charges include felony murder, felony torture, and a misdemeanor count of cruelty to a child by inflicting injury.

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: [/Bhttp://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14469887?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

Ramsey examines ministry connected to girl's death​

By Elizabetn De Alwis
Posted: 02/18/2010 01:39:22 PM PST

No Greater Joy Ministries is being examined by the Butte County District Attorney's Office in relation to the death of a 7-year-old Paradise girl and extensive injuries to her sister.

Ridge parents Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz are charged with murder and torture following the death of 7-year-old Lydia Schatz and the hospitalization of 11-year-old Zariah Schatz.

Both girls were allegedly whipped by the their adoptive parents with a quarter-inch plumbing supply line - the instrument suggested by Michael and Debi Pearl, founders of No Greater Joy Ministries and authors of the controversial religious parenting book "How to Train Up a Child."

"Switching" or giving "licks" with a plumbing supply line is a "real attention getter" they write on the Web site. The Pearls also suggest using alternative instruments, such as a 12-inch willowy branch for children under one year old, a one-foot ruler, a paddle, or a belt or larger tree branch for a larger child. By using "the rod," Pearl writes in his teachings "the parent holds in his hand the power to absolve guilt, cleanse his soul, instruct his spirit, strengthen his resolve, and give him a fresh start through confidence that all indebtedness is paid."

He references Proverbs 13:24 in his article "In Defense of Biblical Chastisement," Part 1: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

He says this verse instructs parents to chasten their children with a rod, and that it is the parents' responsibility to bring their children to repentance and righteousness. He says God commands that parents use the rod to train their children. He claims "the rod" drives out a child's foolishness and lust, purges the soul of guilt, mirrors judgment to come, communicates the principals of divine government, teaches the concept of law in general, and assures a child of his parents' love.

Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz were granted a two-week postpoment until their next hearing. Both are being held on bail of $2 million, and both face two life terms upon conviction. Neither has entered a plea. Their next court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 25.

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: http://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14427370?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

Questions about ministry grow​

By Elizabeth de Alwis
Posted: 02/26/2010 01:00:00 AM PST

Mathers and his wife, Laurie, are Christians who knew the Schatz family, made friends with them when the Schatz couple attended their church for a few months. The Mathers had dinner with the family and be-came familiar with nine Schatz children - six biological children and three adopted from Liberia. In their blogs, they talk about the sorrow, shock and horror they felt when they learned of what happened to Lydia.

They also describe learning about No Greater Joy and the disciplinary methods Michael and Debi Pearl teach.

Laurie Mathers, told The Post yesterday, that the Pearls and their methods were not on their radar until after Lydia died.

"I didn't know what was going on," she said.

When Lydia died, Laurie said they did not know what had happened. They had always thought very highly of the Schatzes.

"We thought maybe it was a mistake," she said. "Like maybe she fell we didn't think this - we thought it had to be a mistake. Then we heard that Zariah was in the hospital and we had to face this. It didn't make any sense until we learned about the Pearl teachings."

All of the Schatz children went through the process, he said. Zariah appears to be making a full recovery, he said, describing her as "a very delightful child," and "quite the chatty Cathy."

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: http://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14469888?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

A huge difference between abuse and discipline​

Posted: 02/18/2010 01:44:56 PM PST

One of those things is the tool the family allegedly used was quarter-inch plumbing supply line and it seems the idea was inspired by No Greater Joy Ministries.

This is a Web site that claims to help parents raise children - even tips on the proper use of physical discipline. Exactly what the proper use is, is always subject to debate. There are people who don't believe in spanking at all and will see any physical discipline as beating. In fact one of our board members has never used physical discipline in raising children.

However, we found them unwilling to discuss the case or their methods - unless they had editorial control over how the interview was presented to you, the reader. And while we understand their concerns about being misquoted or their methods being connected to this Schatz case, we simply could not allow them to control our coverage in this case.

In the statement to us Michael Pearl, "CEO No Greater Joy Ministries, Inc.," says "if indeed these parents were abusive, and that has not yet been proven by the courts, it is regretful that our teachings were not able to turn them from their predisposition to abusive habits."

We don't know that the parents in this case had a "predisposition to abusive habits." We do know that police believe the tool used to harm the child was one No Greater Joy encourages to be used.

And while they don't encourage use to the point of serious injury, it seems to us that the Ministry should reconsider promoting its use.

They are not legally responsible for this young girl's death, but they may well bear some moral responsibility.

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: http://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14427374?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

DA links fundamentalist 'training' to Paradise girl's death​

By Terry Vau Dell MediaNews Group
Posted: 02/13/2010 02:51:27 PM PST

The Schatzes were arrested last Saturday morning after their adopted daughter, Lydia, age 7, stopped breathing. She was subsequently pronounced dead. Her 11-year-old sister, Zariah Schatz, remains in critical condition at a Sacramento children's hospital, though is showing some signs of recovery. The two were adopted at the same time along with an infant girl, now 3, from the same African orphanage about three years ago.

Prosecutors allege the two victims were subjected to "hours" of corporal punishment by their parents on successive days last Thursday and Friday with a quarter-inch wide length of rubber or plastic tubing, which police reportedly recovered from the parent's bedroom. Police allege that the younger girl was being disciplined for mis-pronouncing a word during a home-school reading lesson the day before she died.

The two young girls reportedly sustained deep bruising and multiple "whip-like" marks on their back, buttocks and legs, which authorities believe resulted in significant muscle tissue breakdown that impaired their kidneys and possibly other vital organs, said Ramsey.

The other children in the home said the same rubber or plastic tubing was used on all of them "as a standard method of discipline, but certainly not to the extent of these two girls," Ramsey added.

The Ridge couple remain held on $2 million bail pending entry of a plea in two weeks to the murder and torture charges.

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: http://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14395727?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

Pearl's statement​

Posted: 02/18/2010 01:41:08 PM PST

We do not teach "corporal punishment" nor "hitting" children. We teach parents how to train their children, which sometimes requires the limited and controlled application of a spanking instrument to hold the child's attention on admonition. Over 1,000,000 parents have applied these Biblical principles with joyful results.
The courts have never charged NGJ Ministries with teaching abuse; quite the contrary.

Michael Pearl, CEO
No Greater Joy Ministries, Inc

SOURCE: PARADISE POST, PARADISE, CALIFORNIA: http://www.paradisepost.com/ci_14427371?IADID=Search-www.paradisepost.com-www.paradisepost.com

 

[PickieChickie]

LINKS TO ELIZABETH AND KEVIN SCHATZ'S MURDER CASE FILES​

Parties Name: SCHATZ, ELIZABETH HAZEL, DEFENDANT
Case Number: CM032008
Case Title: PEOPLE VS SCHATZ, ELIZABETH HAZ
Case Type: MURDER
Filing Date: 02/09/10
In Custody? Y/N: Y Status: JAIL
CASE FILE LINK: http://www.buttecourt.ca.gov/online_index/CMSCaseDisplay.cfm?URLCaseNumber=CM032008

Name: SCHATZ, KEVIN PAUL, DEFENDANT
Case Number: CM032009
Case Title: PEOPLE VS SCHATZ, KEVIN PAUL
Case Type: MURDER
Filing Date: 02/09/10
In Custody? Y/N: Y Status: JAIL
CASE FILE LINK: http://www.buttecourt.ca.gov/online_index/CMSCaseDisplay.cfm?URLCaseNumber=CM032009

 

[Missizzy]

PickieChickie--Thank you for all the posts. However, to keep from getting in trouble, I think you need to quickly go back and edit back to just a snip and a link. We're not supposed to copy the entire article or even the bulk of it. The Paradise Post will be after WS!!

This is a very hard case to watch, that's for sure. HTH

 

[PeteyGirl]

Thanks for the updates and info Pickle I still disagree with ANY blame being placed on the Pearls . . . psychos that they are . . . on principle. A book of abhorrent ideas cannot kill a child and put her sister in the hospital with critical injuries on it's own, you know? The persons who beat the sisters have full and utter responsibility.

The fortunate aspect of trying to force blame upon the Pearls is the negative publicity and shaming that is occurring. That is a good thing.

 

[PickieChickie]

Thanks for the updates and info Pickle I still disagree with ANY blame being placed on the Pearls . . . psychos that they are . . . on principle. A book of abhorrent ideas cannot kill a child and put her sister in the hospital with critical injuries on it's own, you know? The persons who beat the sisters have full and utter responsibility.

The fortunate aspect of trying to force blame upon the Pearls is the negative publicity and shaming that is occurring. That is a good thing.

The parents are ultimately responsible for their behavior, of course. However, any family who is a rigid Pearl fan who follows their advice on discipline is in fact a child abuser and should have their children removed from their homes!

I can't believe they condone striking an infant with a switch every time it does something wrong. These people are mentally ill as far as I am concerned! Who writes a book telling parents to strike their children with a hose or switch every time they disobey or cry? I'd like to have at the Pearls myself with a switch or rubber hose but they'd probably get aroused!

 

[Missizzy]

If you go to their site:

www.nogreaterjoy.org

you can read all about their practices and tactics and philosophy. Just have a cold cloth in hand. I agree that the Pealrs bear some responsibility but the prosecutor really surprised me by announcing so readily that he's not going after them. I don't know what that's all about.

DHS does not agree with this discipline and will shut it down every time they come across it. No foster parent or adoptive parent (who has not yet finalized) would ever be able to do this. It's child abuse, plain and simple. But note that they send out something like 74,000 newsletters each month and bring in over 1.5 million per year. Somebody's buying this stuff. And a lot of little ones are being hurt.

 

[LCoastMom]

I guess it shouldn't shock me that Michael Pearl also believes that God hates divorce more than child molestation:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158636&page=5

Michael Pearl: "But if your husband has sexually molested the children, you should approach him with it. If he is truly repentant (not just exposed) and is willing to seek counseling, you may feel comfortable giving him an opportunity to prove himself, as long as you know the children are safe.

Stick by him, but testify against him in court. Have him do about 10 to 20 years, and by the time he gets out, you will have raised the kids, and you can be waiting for him with open arms of forgiveness and restitution. Will this glorify God? Forever. God hates divorce—always, forever, regardless, without exception."

In the state of CA, a mother who doesn't report the abuse will find her children in foster care and she has to file for divorce in order to get them back. Unfortunately once the guy is found guilty and sentenced, she can drop the petition. 10 or 20 years what a joke! I know a family in CA who went through this - the SOB molested his step daughter and his own daughter. (I have no idea how long it went on ~ the girls were 8 when he was arrested.)

10 years? Nowhere where near 10 years and after he found GOD mom took him back - visiting while he was incarcerated while I kept her daughter (It was 5 or 6 years) her daughter was a young teen by the time he was released, and still living with her mother.... :banghead:

(sarcasm alert) Instead of divorce how about we just "take the abusers out of the picture" once and for all using Pearls teaching on the SOB. Children are small, one on one should work just fine - but in the case of a six foot male maybe 6 women (one for every 12") should work him over with a rod. All in *Pearls name of course. If he doesn't "get it" and repent we'll just have to count out 10 more (times 6 ) you understand....

ther_beatingA_Dead :thewhip:

* I put this "In Gods name but couldn't leave it....

I hope Pearl's kids & grandkids are safe from abuse....but makes me wonder how they could be. Family reunions must be torture - at least mentally, if not physically.

According to their website they see their children and grandchildren regularly, and their grand children are being "raised up" this way too.

A snip I found from the Pearl book.

http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/article...//in-defense-of-biblical-chastisement-part-2/

(1) "Our goal is to cause the child to voluntarily surrender his will. We want to impress upon him the severity of his disobedience. It takes time and thoughtfulness for the child to come to repentance. I have told a child I was going to give him 10 licks. I count out loud as I go. After about three licks, leaving him in his position, I would stop and remind him what this is all about. (2) I would continue slowly, still counting, stop again and tell him that I know it hurts and I wish I didn’t have to do it but that it is for his own good. Then I would continue slowly. Pretending to forget the count, I would again stop at about eight and ask him the number. Have him subtract eight from ten, (a little homeschooling) and continue with the final two licks. Then I would have him stand in front of me and ask him why he got the spanking. If his answer showed that he was rebellious and defiant, he would get several more licks. Again he would be questioned as to his offense. If he showed total submission, we put it all behind us, but if he were still rebellious, we would continue until he gave over his will."

(3) And don't try this in public!!

(4)"Don’t be so indiscreet as to spank your children in public—including the church restroom. I get letters regularly telling of trouble with in-laws who threaten to report them to the authorities. Parents have called the Gestapo on their married children. Church friends who have noses longer than the pews on which they perch can cause a world of trouble. (5) If you cannot get them trained before going out in public, stay home and read our four books again."

Missizzy this actually made me sick to my stomach... :sick:

1) They claim they want the child to to voluntarily surrender his will. But they beat him until he does... another problems with Pearls method is a child who doesn't clean his plate is no different from a child who just told a parent to go F himself. Not that either should be abused but in most peoples eyes one needs to be dismissed with no more food til breakfast and the other needs to be taught some respect, by whatever manner the parents use - time out, grounding, loss of privileges etc...

2) This is nothing short of ritualized child abuse...

3) And he is admitting by saying you can't use this in public - that there is something wrong.

4) Yes all those nosy Nelly's who care about the welfare of children.

5) Here's a biggie - stay home from church and read my books instead of the "Good Book" if you're not parenting well enough to prevent your child from misbehaving... Never thought I would see a man of god ever say I'm more important than your church.

My theory, folks, is that families are overwhelmed with special needs/internationally adopted children's needs, behavior and trauma. These kids act out, do strange things, can rage for hours, can eat until they vomit, can harm others or pets

I can't yell it any louder. People like Laura Silsby and all the other child "rescue" groups in Haiti and Africa are not the answer. Child rearing is supposed to be messy and challenging and heart-wrenching. This is NOT the Waltons, after all!! We should not be celebrating the thousands of foreign children brought into this country and puffing ourselves up with pride that we've "saved" them. Adoption is not altruism and it is most certainly not a way to build a church base.

And a link to the Pearl's website:

www.nogreaterjoy.org

As I expressed to you before, this is new to me - I knew they were out there I just didn't have any idea how bad it is.

I've often thought the same as you about some international adoptions but didn't see the parents with puffed up egos so much as the agencies who make money off of the adoptions.

Do the parents understand that basically they are bringing a great big damaged infant into their home? A child usually so neglected (by our standards) they have no concept of our ideal of "love" and no idea how to accept or return it. A child who never had 3 hots and a cot - let alone clean clothing - a fridge full of fresh food on demand. I can only assume this new life is full blown culture shock. The same as it is for American - adults who show up in other countries unprepared. The difference the adults have a choice.

Thanks for the updates and info Pickle I still disagree with ANY blame being placed on the Pearls . . . psychos that they are . . . on principle. A book of abhorrent ideas cannot kill a child and put her sister in the hospital with critical injuries on it's own, you know? The persons who beat the sisters have full and utter responsibility.

The fortunate aspect of trying to force blame upon the Pearls is the negative publicity and shaming that is occurring. That is a good thing.

I wonder if the people who starved (and beat ? I can't recall) that 1 yr old baby who wouldn't say "Amen." subscribed to Pearls methods? We have a thread ~ it was some really out there religious beliefs, the young mother accepted the guilty plea, with the clause when the baby comes back to life she can recant the plea.

When someone publishes a how to book ~ they should be held to the same standards as any other "instructors;" the Pearls not only "tell you how" they belittle anyone who doesn't do it as well as they should.

The reason I believe the Pearls hold some of the blame, these "people", were obviously in over their heads - so they sought help and instead they found a monster. I think we all agree the Pearls are abusers and they aren't content to only abuse their own - they want others to partake in this abuse too, by doing this they use the numbers of followers, to say this many people can't be wrong!!

Of course the parents are 100% to blame for the murder but had they purchased a different book and practiced a different theory these children would never have been abused. I just Googled love based discipline and went to the first book that popped up (there were tons) and printed out 3 snips from the reviews:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ea...iscipline/Becky-A-Bailey/e/9780060007751#TABS

Easy to Love, Difficult to Discipline By Becky A. Bailey

1) Book review: What a find. The book focuses on changing your behavior rather than your child's, under the assumption that your reaction determines their actions. How true. It has been an absolute help for me. It provides wonderful insight, inspiration and helpful tips! It is a must have for all parents of toddlers.

2) I read a lot of parenting books. This is the best. This is the book for self-educating. The most important philosophy in this book is how to discipline ourself before we can discipline our kids and how to discipline our kids with loving guidance vs. fear-based strategies (most of us fell in this one without awareness).

3) She really emphasizes that as a parent you need to develop your own sense of self control, before you can teach your children to do the same. Plus, she leads you step by step through many examples of how to do this. My kids even noticed a difference after I started using a few of her techniques and they liked it!! (can't see any Pearls methods - kids saying hey mom good job!!)

IDK about you, but I can't see the Pearls using this method no matter how well it works, because then they would have no use for all those "rods" they have collected -

 

[LCoastMom]

They have these "topics' and the one titles Rods was missing, the day that I shared the reply from Michael to the lady who miscarried. Just out of curiosity I just checked again. Here Michael explains how to train up a 2 yr old (not his own at that):

"Then I heard a cheerful little voice inquire, “Mack Peerle?” No, I haven’t failed to spell my name correctly. That is the way Middle Tennessee hillbillies pronounce my name.

She was not a mosquito (he referred to his children and their visitors as mosquitos); she was a butterfly. “Here I am!” She came through my door like morning sunshine through the kitchen window. We had a little chat, and then she found her way back to the noisy hum. I feel real important when I receive a guest of that caliber.

They call it “baby-sitting.” I call it “baby chasing.” She is well above average in her self-control, but still has some rough spots. During the first few visits, I never attempted discipline. (she's 2) My youngest daughter, Shoshanna, had already gained her confidence and respect and does very well commanding her. I took those earlier visits as a time to gain her respect and devotion.

Amy ran in and out of the back door about ten times. The frequency, along with the cold air, became annoying. As she started out again, I commanded, “No, Amy, do not go out again.” She continued to open the door and push by me. At six-foot-four and 240 pounds, all of it pure, aged muscle, I was quite capable of shutting the door. For the human will to function, circumstances must permit choice. So I allowed her to choose. She forced the door against the little resistance I offered and continued into the sunroom. I gave one more command, “Amy, do not go outside.”

As she opened the outside door, I took off my belt and surprised my little butterfly with (1) one swat across the calves. Her scream was not just of pain, but of defiance. Her will was not yet surrendered. The defiant scream testified that she was still in a resistant state of mind. She must be caused to recognize the supremacy of government. Her soul depends on it. So I commanded, “Amy, stop crying.” She screamed louder, so I gave her another (2) forceful lick on the legs. She again screamed her defiance. Here I was with a screaming, defiant two-year-old standing there testing her strength of resolve against mine. I have 53 years of resolve, and it gets calmer every day. Again I gave her (3) one lick on the legs and commanded, “Stop crying, now.” She dried it up like an Arizona wind, then turned and voluntarily walked back into the living room.

Wow I must wonder if it makes him feel like a man (all 6'4'' of him) when he is able to get a 2 year old to stay in the house with 3 forceful licks of a belt across her legs.

Then he shares his view of a bully ...

Everyone hates a bully, and it becomes a matter of principle to resist him or her. Out of fear, one may surrender to a bully, but no one will ever respect the bully. Bullies are angry, self-willed, take offenses personally, exact their due in the pain of compliance, and maintain an attitude of “No one does this to me and gets away with it.” Most parents bully their children.

For the last year or so, we have had a group of about eight “damsels” working overtime trying to disrupt our ministry. When we advertise for a Seminar, they call the church where we are scheduled to be and warn them that their tax-exempt status could be in jeopardy, or that we are being watched by the authorities.

One pastor, believing their lies, almost canceled a seminar 24 hours before it was to take place. We explained the situation, so he let it go on, but he stayed home so he could not be implicated. Recently, when we held a seminar in Chattanooga, Tennessee, being warned by these damsels, the Department of Human Services of Tennessee sent a “spy” to observe. We welcomed him readily. We have nothing to hide. A few weeks later, the head detective for the state of Tennessee dropped by our place to visit. We knew we did not have to talk to him, but again, having nothing to hide, Michael answered all his questions for about an hour, gave him our booklet “Biblical Chastisement,” our DVD set, The Joy of Training, and several of our books. Biblical Chastisement was written for just this purpose—a defense of Biblical child training. He talked to Deb for about an hour and also spent time with our office staff. He then called and spoke with one of our grown, married children. So the nice detective left, having come to the conclusion that the ladies who were reporting us did not KNOW us. He was satisfied that everything we do and teach is within the law. Since he left, I have honestly been expecting him to invite us to teach foster parents how to train the State’s children. We welcome cooperation with them. They need direction desperately. So, we would like to thank the “damsels” for helping to give us a clean bill of “child-training” health. We are now officially investigated and approved, however unnecessary it was. Thank you, damsels.

My guess would be they didn't charge them because they no longer had children of their own in the house...

 

[Missizzy]

LCoastMom--I'm with you every step of the way. You are preaching to the choir, Girl!! I happen to believe that Michael Pearl's days up on that pedestal are numbered.

That baby wasn't screaming with defiance. She was screaming with pain. I wonder if Pearl has read the passages of the Bible which deal with listening to one's children as we age and to honor their care of us. When he's 87 and reaches for another donut, is he going to be OK with a smack across the arm?

 

[kbl8201]

how about we hit him with a 2 by 4 instead mz iz?