GUILTY CA - Manuel Ortega & others for gang rape of 15yo girl, Richmond, 2009

[Columbo]

Nothing is ever really deleted. Besides, someone has likely already sent their cell footage to a hundred different friends. These things travel fast.

*fingers crossed*

bolded by me.

YES!! The proverbial stupid criminals; I hope their cell phones bite them in the butt.

 

[Patthebunny]

You can't fix EVIL.

 

[gxm]

'Capable'. Yes. If they are so taught.

Morality is a main teaching of all major religions. When religious teaching is reduced, something must necessarily fill that gap just to maintain the status quo. However, the filling of that gap is obviously not coming from improved parenting. And you will not find street creed filling the gap, which is where ever more young people gain their sense of morality today.

Atheists are the fastest growing religious identification (a seeming oxymoron) group in America. If we eliminate God and a fear of reckoning, anything would and will go. At that point, our society would have reached the apex in liberal permissiveness.

Don't look past the tremendous restraint that a God figure places on our society and various cultures. Remove that restraint and our society would be a very, very different world, and the behavior that we detest today would become still far, far uglier.

I don't discount the possibity that someday we will become a Godless society. The good news is that I don't expect to live to see it.

FWIW

There is no link between atheism and crime, as a matter of fact, the opposite of what you contend is happening: Crime rates in the US have dropped. Could it be the rise in atheism?

But I don't really think that this is the time or place to have that debate so let's agree to disagree.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Evil lurks in the hearts of young men...

 

[gxm]

Well, then for his sake, I hope there's a video that can prove that. Or, alternatively, for society's sake there is video to prove he's lying.

This is a messy case; not envious of the prosecutors in this whatsoever.

I'm hoping there's forensic evidence because if the victim was unconscious most of the time, she won't be able to identify her attackers. This is the time for the bystanders to step up and do the right thing and start naming names.

 

[Suthrnqt]

There is no link between atheism and crime, as a matter of fact, the opposite of what you contend is happening: Crime rates in the US have dropped. Could it be the rise in atheism?

But I don't really think that this is the time or place to have that debate so let's agree to disagree.

ITA!! Look @ all the crime that has been done in the name of God throughout history.

 

[Patthebunny]

If you've heard the recent news, out of Missouri, you will find, evil (also) lurks in the heart of young women. What a mad, sad world...

 

[JBean]

okay here is an excellent interview with the asst DA and a clip of one of the students speaking at a school meeting last night.
John and Ken
10/29
Gang rape 3 pm hour:

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/podcasting/

 

[MeoW333]

And publish their names, and put pictures of them out there !!

There isn't a kid alive who doesn't have a cell phone--someone could have called for help...

This story disgusted me so much! I agree they should publish their faces and names. There is no excuse for them not to call 911 right away. Some of them even jumped in. Reminds me of the Lord of the Flies book! :furious:

 

[sniperacer]

KFI

JBean - I love KFI. They do a very good job of in-depth reporting and interviews. That one guy (name escapes me) has some good contacts and knows how to get folks to talk.

I suggest the KFI podcast to all.

 

[sniperacer]

Well I am not sure why the DA would charge him if he was just walking by.

but stranger things have happened.

I just think if no witnesses come forward this could be a tough sell. I am praying for pix and videos for once in my life.

stay tuned folks

Does anyone know, for a fact, how the DA is determining who to charge? Some say there is a video? How many kids where there? How many sexual assaults?

Update: They are up to 6 as of now.



I agree, with so much at stake, this is a tough one.

 

[sniperacer]

Evil lurks in the hearts of young men...

LOL, I'm guessing you have daughters?

 

[Columbo]

Does anyone know, for a fact, how the DA is determining who to charge? Some say there is a video? How many kids where there? How many sexual assaults?

Update: They are up to 6 as of now.



I agree, with so much at stake, this is a tough one.

JBean posted a radio show where the DA was interviewed. She said because it's an ongoing investigation, she couldn't talk about the evidence used to determine suspects. But there is evidence, and that is all she is using to arrest these perps.

 

[Trino]

Did anyone besides me read that the aunt who cares for one of the suspects (the 15 yr old?) is screaming racial discrimination?

 

[gxm]

Did anyone besides me read that the aunt who cares for one of the suspects (the 15 yr old?) is screaming racial discrimination?

It was mentioned yesterday. I think it's very sad that one suspect's family felt the need to drag race into this horrific crime. Although we don't know the race of the victim, it makes it look like they are viewing this inexcusable assault through a biased lens. Wouldn't a simple "he's not guilty" have sufficed?

Regardless, according to the DA, suspects are being identified on the basis of evidence, not race. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what sort of evidence they have.

 

[Trino]

Another forum mentioned some of the suspects may be illegally in the US.

 

[songline]

Look at the dead eyes. No one home here. I'm thinking he was NAGANG or aspiring to be. We need to find a way to get these b*^ta#$ds off the streets at an early enough age to protect society from them. Other countries separate kids according to their academic progress, or lack of, and put the rest in the military or some kind of "rehabilitative" program. I'm afraid we will need to consider that in this country. So much for freedom. Those who don't appreciate it don't deserve it. :banghead:

BBM
ITA his eyes are cold, very cold, and that scars me.
There is NO rehabilitating that...It is void of spirit.

 

[songline]

okay here is an excellent interview with the asst DA and a clip of one of the students speaking at a school meeting last night.
John and Ken
10/29
Gang rape 3 pm hour:

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/podcasting/

That was a great interview and she was sort of not wanting the School to take to much of the pressure; which IMO is not right.
YES the perpetrators will be convicted, but security guards in and a round the school for a night event should always be there regardless of social economical conditions of the areas population, these are kids.
I wonder what is it with that particular area close to Antioch where JC was captive for 18 years and nobody noticed, why that entire area is so hmmm I cant find the words.
But this bad behaviour and bad policing is rampant in that area and it comes in various forms, but non the less Police is not policing they are asleep for sure, and peoples moral code seems to be increasingly demonic . That area is in need of some really good police force and we have 10% unemployment. :waitasec:

 

[Trino]

Richmond, CA demographics:
http://www.muninetguide.com/states/california/municipality/Richmond.php

Richmond High School test results and demographics: (Scroll to bottom for ethnicity/race)
http://www.zillow.com/school/CA-Richmond/West-Contra-Costa-Unified-6708/Richmond-High-School-12543/

 

[angelmom]

Richmond, CA demographics:
http://www.muninetguide.com/states/california/municipality/Richmond.php

Richmond High School test results and demographics: (Scroll to bottom for ethnicity/race)
http://www.zillow.com/school/CA-Richmond/West-Contra-Costa-Unified-6708/Richmond-High-School-12543/

Wow. With those test scores I doubt anyone who has any other option goes there.