CA - Massive fire at Oakland warehouse party, 36 dead, 2 Dec 2016 #2

[K_Z]

California, the Bay Area.

Oh--then that explains the inflated wages for CNAs. The Bay Area is not really representative of those kind of typical CNA wages in other areas of the country, if that is what hospital systems there are willing to pay. (Geesh-- are generalist RNs making $100+ an hour at that rate? I have to call my friends in CA to get the scoop!)

 

[rsd1200]

After looking at the photos. I wouldn't have stayed. But many probably didn't have a lot of options but couch surfing would have been safer.
I've lived in art 24 hour live-in studios and it wasn't a death trap from the photos I just looked at. yikes. It does look like a third world county drug den.

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I don't know everyone's situation there so I hesitate to say it was a just a drug den, however, it would have been a big ole nope for me to live there. Just from looking at the pics of the Ghost Ship, I could tell, it was just too close, and too dark (light wise and depressing wise).

 

[JaimeSommers]

I recognized victim Micah Danemayer immediately in this video. He worked for Obscura Machina, which was the music collective performing throughout this evening. [emoji25]

Video of a DJ performanceat the Ghist Ship @ June ..... just look at ALL that electrical equipment!

https://youtu.be/d-Jma50bAMs

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[rsd1200]

Actually I think CNA's may belong to a healthcare workers union...

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I'm not in the medical field but know there is a Certified Nurse's Association. There's a high demand around here for Certified Nursing Assistants. So much so that it's offered during the high school years in Vocational Ed.

 

[SophieRose]

$25/ hr for a CNA is very inflated, IMO, due to the union. $25/ hr is about $50K/ year. CNAs in our area make about $10-15/ hr, and I can't imagine any hospital system paying $25/ hr, even with an aggressive union. That is more than associate degree RNs and LPN's starting wage.

OT - I thought it was high too when she told me but I asked a friend who is in HR at a hospital and she said it was possible. Also hospitals don't hire that many CNAs because by law they have to have so many patients per nurse, so the budget is used for RNs.


Here are nurses striking at then Children's Hospital Oakland in 2011.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Children-s-Hospital-Oakland-nurses-on-5-day-strike-2372741.php

Hospital officials have also said the average hourly rate for a nurse is $67.31, which equates to $140,000 a year for those who work 40 hours a week.

The nurses disputed that, saying nurses generally do not work five days a week because of the intense nature of their jobs.

"I'm not ashamed of the money we make," said Susan Segal, a nurse at the hospital for more than 26 years. "But they're basing that (the hospital's average wage estimate) on a hypothetical nurse who doesn't exist."

 

[passionflower]

OMG! Were they doing animal sacrifices too in there?

'Lisa is complaining about the tv but I'm not coming to you complaining when she is dripping blood in the sitting room after coming back from one of her rituals?'

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soso
Oh my, where would they clean up? put the sacrifice? sanitation? is that why they had cats everywhere? This is so disgusting!

 

[rsd1200]

I met a CNA about ten years ago and she had made about $25/hr at a hospital, and was unionized. When the hospital closed she took a job as a in home NA and at that time made $10/hr agency charged $15/hr. At that time the agencies could cap out at $150 for 10 hours or overnight. So she could work through the night and still only get 10 hours wages. California finally changed the law a few years ago.

I've got a number of relatives who are RNs and they say they would never work at a nursing home because they are not unionized.

They make (cna) around 10-12$ an hour around here if they work at a nursing home or with a service, and maybe $7-$8 if they work out of the person's home, on their own.

 

[SophieRose]

They make (cna) around 10-12$ an hour around here if they work at a nursing home or with a service, and maybe $7-$8 if they work out of the person's home, on their own.

OT The minimum wage in California is $10/hr, $10.50 on Jan 1, 2017, and will go up to $15/hr in 2022.

 

[LinasK]

I've been going with Ion. For some reason I can remember that.

Okay, anything but DA.

 

[CARIIS]

My sense is that some of the dialog regarding living space is coming from people who have "owned" for decades and remember when renting an apt was basically I will take it and pay


Days are long gone. Relocating from one apt to another costs thousands of dollars. There are application fee, admin fees, deposits background checks, credit checks criminal checks, employment checks.

Noone reads them, but leases for rentals now come in at around 40 legal pages with micro fonts.

One has to make their rent in one week and prove so with paystubs.

The notion that these folks had choices is really not accurate, , no one would "want" to live in that setting.

At the end of the day their choices are to sleep in a card board box under the expressway, or end up in a setting like this.

For many there are not options.

IMO the people in this position are worthy of emapthy not judgment.

The notion that one can pick up and go to a "cheaper" market is not realistic either. They are trapped. How are they gonna move, they dont have car, job, income, money stashed to relocate and pay for their life while they get resettled.

These are real predicaments

Nor is this an Oakland problem - it is nationwide.

 

[human]

I need to know where this is.

I would tell you but I am one of the very few Americans where I live. It is small so everyone knows me.

I can say that people love the Cook Islands and English is spoken there. Also, there are the Marshall Islands which are an American protectorate ? where you can work if you are an American. We did nuclear bomb testing there. I had a friend who worked there and it looked lovely. Not sure about American Samoa but I heard Tonga sucks. Vanuatu is stunning but they have so many earthquakes. Palau looks stunning. Fiji is supposed to be beautiful.

Puerto Rico is an American protectorate?And you could work there.I know a guy who has a tattoo place and he is making a lot of money. They are in financial crisis though. . Costa Rica -- you need $400000 in the bank. Ecuador is becoming popular,

 

[rsd1200]

Oh--then that explains the inflated wages for CNAs. The Bay Area is not really representative of those kind of typical CNA wages in other areas of the country, if that is what hospital systems there are willing to pay. (Geesh-- are generalist RNs making $100+ an hour at that rate? I have to call my friends in CA to get the scoop!)

This region is a bit short on RNs so they have traveling RNs to cover areas of shortages or when permanent RNs took leave/vacation. My friend traveled over 100 miles sometimes, one way, and would stay at the location for at least a week at a time. She made around $35 an hour, give or take a few bucks. I can't remember if she got mileage reimbursement or not.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please move on from the discussion of whether or not the victims should have / could have moved.

If you wish to discuss the housing crisis in relation to the case, that is fine, but discussing that they could have moved elsewhere is insensitive and borders on victim blaming.

 

[human]

I don't think think there are unions for nurse's aids, and janitors, and folks who just sit with the elderly in their home or in nursing homes. I could be wrong though, but I've never heard of one. I don't live in Naples, just a visitor, so I don't really have to worry about it. I just hate to see folks displaced b/c of greed.

There used to be in MN. Not sure anymore. It is pitiful how people work hard for peanuts.

 

[rsd1200]

OT The minimum wage in California is $10/hr, $10.50 on Jan 1, 2017, and will go up to $15/hr in 2022.

O/t too but that is not even a dream here. $7.25 and has been for several years. A couple of our larger cities have increased the wages on their own but state law is $7.25 except for tipped employees, then it's $2.13.

 

[human]

Are these the complaints you were referencing?

Per https://aca.accela.com/oakland

Filed Date 11/14/2016
Record Type Housing Habitability Complaint
Address 1315 31ST AVE Oakland CA 94601
Description Illegal interior building structure.
Status Pending Investigation

Filed Date 10/7/2014
Record Type Housing Habitability Complaint
Address 1315 31ST AVE, Oakland CA 94601
Description Constructing house/structure without permits.
Status Non-Actionable

What does that mean? Sounds like it is inside? Non-actionable?

 

[human]

The fact that inspectors had NOT been inside for thirty years raises many questions!! It is evident, with the proof on paper, that several departments had failed to do their jobs. The question is going to be how can the owner be held responsible if city inspectors and the fire department did not know what codes or violations existed inside the warehouse?

Does CA have required inspections done on a property by the buyer before a transfer is made? If so, the inspector should have noted the numerous problems and that it wasn't up to code.

Doesn't the bank ask for the inspections? If they bought it with cash, would there be inspections?

 

[CARIIS]

Do you guys think if he has lawyered up? Would he be able to keep it a total secret??


On Today there were a lot of handlers, but I have not heard of a lawyer yet - any of you?.

It stuns me clinically, it appears he truly believes he is not going to need representation? AND he is not delusional!

The disconnect is horrifying.

It makes the degree of impairment so acute, IMO

Then I think - nah- he has, we just don't know !

 

[rsd1200]

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If one is getting rid of anything, that is usable, donate it to a place in the community that aids the homeless and/or struggling.

 

[katydid23]

I know of an instance where a person rented a house out - the tenant turned it into an accounting office. City found out and owner was fined and charged for unlawful zoning use. Even though the owner said they had no idea.

My friend inherited a small home in the suburbs of Alameda, and she rented it out. She lives in Nevada. The tenants set up a hydroponic pot GROW inside her home. They did not live there at all. Just grew pot. The electric company noticed the huge electric bill and investigated. My friend had a large legal bill trying to fight the charges. They came after her instead of the tenants for some stupid reason. They used fake names for everything so ? She paid hefty fines but was never charged with crimes, thank goodness.