CA CA - Matthew Weaver, 21, Santa Monica Mountains, 10 Aug 2018

[Roxxi3535]

From my understanding they went to the Topanga outlook. He took her home and drove all the way back to the outlook. That's the story.

Really? I did not know that!
Theres got to be more people involved then. Maybe he went back there because people were still there. Maybe he wasnt the only one in his car when he drove up the trail and became stuck. Maybe they were high and acting stupid and they thought it would be fun to drive up the trail.
I swear, that girl involved knows what happened and isnt talking. She needs to be looked into by LE. And whomever else she frequently parties with. I just dont trust that she played such a tiny, innocent role in this. They didnt go party at the outlook alone. They went to meet up with other people to party like kids always do at that location.
I seriously had no idea they went to the Topanga Outlook after he picked her up. This scenario would give him reason to return to the outlook, someone or a some people could have been waiting there for him. Like his roommates. Who i feel may not have been the best crowd to hang with.
So it also leaves me to wonder about what the roommate had stated, that Matthew had not been home for a few days... Then where was he? I dont believe he hadnt been home in 3 days. I dont buy anything these new friends of his are claiming, its all too convenient.

 

[Steph9676]

Really? I did not know that!
Theres got to be more people involved then. Maybe he went back there because people were still there. Maybe he wasnt the only one in his car when he drove up the trail and became stuck. Maybe they were high and acting stupid and they thought it would be fun to drive up the trail.
I swear, that girl involved knows what happened and isnt talking. She needs to be looked into by LE. And whomever else she frequently parties with. I just dont trust that she played such a tiny, innocent role in this. They didnt go party at the outlook alone. They went to meet up with other people to party like kids always do at that location.
I seriously had no idea they went to the Topanga Outlook after he picked her up. This scenario would give him reason to return to the outlook, someone or a some people could have been waiting there for him. Like his roommates. Who i feel may not have been the best crowd to hang with.
So it also leaves me to wonder about what the roommate had stated, that Matthew had not been home for a few days... Then where was he? I dont believe he hadnt been home in 3 days. I dont buy anything these new friends of his are claiming, its all too convenient.

I can’t find anything to verify they went to the Topanga outlook before. If they did i believe that is a big deal. That opens the story up big time but do we have proof of that?

 

[Darling136]

Why don't you put together a list of verified factual information from reliable news sources and LE releases? Maybe including family statements? We have done this on other threads where rumors start getting mixed in.

@joeconejo may also want to speak to one of the mods to become a verified insider so he can post the official information the family would like released and we don't have another MalibuBarbie situation where no one knows if the person is really an insider. @liltexans or @Darling136 may be able to explain further.

My understanding is no one is a verified insider yet and I keep seeing posts that are not factual information. A timeline was posted by the family several pages back but I am reading new stuff that is not verified. Can anyone link where it states he was at the overlook with the girl before he dropped her off. Where is it linked he was on LSD

We need to review who is posting in this thread as family and what kind of information
Up to now, i have not seen any VI confirmed by @Tricia on this thread (if i am doing someone wrong please let me know, sorry).
As posted just before anyone who considers himself having additional information needs to go through the verification process.
Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters
All not verified information will be removed as soon as possible and are not to be discussed.

 

[OnYourLeft]

The info on general LSD use (not that night according to info obtained by family from female friend) use came from MalibuBarbie (see quote above). But since the family doesn't know who MalibuBarbie is and she/he blocked the profile info and isn't a verified insider I would suggest we go by info obtained from family.

And everything else that has been talked about has come from upthread...ALL upthread; just reading through ALL the posts and watching all the videos and reading all the articles. YES, the media has had misinformation, but we have to keep reading it and asking the questions to clarify the timeline to try and help the family find Matthew. This has been a nightmare from the very beginning where from step one details have been vague. I for one have been thankful for all the family’s input! But, please family it is tremendously important for you to take the steps & talk to the mods to become a Verified Insider. That shows all of us that you have been vetted as such and your information is the real deal.

 

[Steph9676]

Well i noticed that joeconejo had liked the comment made by rguycali... i dont know if that serves as confirmation but when i saw that i thought it must have been true and i had just missed this information altogether? Screenshot of post since quoting it does not include the likes...
View attachment 150562

Where did Rguycali get that info from? It’s not verified to be true or not true.

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread has become derailed with rumor (information that does not have links to support). Things along the lines of "a friend told me" or "I think I read somewhere" of "I know for a fact" are hearsay and/or rumor. Please Alert quickly on such hearsay or rumor type posts where information is presented as fact without a supporting link. Such posts, along with responses discussing the rumor, will be removed. Please stop discussing rumors.

To reinforce what darling136 has posted upthread, there are currently NO VERIFIED INSIDERS in this case. Websleuths rules are that if someone is family or close to one of the major case players in a case, they must become a Verified Insider in order to post information as fact without providing links to substantiate. If a member who is not a VI states information as fact without a link to support, that post is to be considered rumor and will be removed.

We certainly welcome family members to become Verified. The process to become a VI has been linked to earlier in this thread and it is a simple process so that you can state facts as you know them without having to provide links. If a member is not a VI, they must provide links to MSM or LE to substantiate what they present as fact.

Please abide by The Rules that Websleuths has in place.

Thank you.

 

[oakparkmall]

Does anyone have the exact location the car was found marked on a map?

I wonder if someone was gonna dump the car off the cliff, and bailed when it got stuck on the way up.

 

[mks762]

Does anyone have the exact location the car was found marked on a map?

I wonder if someone was gonna dump the car off the cliff, and bailed when it got stuck on the way up.

This was my thinking back on page 30- there was some discussion about it. Some agreed some disagreed. I'm still leaning towards this theory but I agree with @Roxxi3535 when she said that would be a pretty bad place to try to dispose of the car- driving through that rough terrain and putting your own life in danger.

 

[Alethea]

This was my thinking back on page 30- there was some discussion about it. Some agreed some disagreed. I'm still leaning towards this theory but I agree with @Roxxi3535 when she said that would be a pretty bad place to try to dispose of the car- driving through that rough terrain and putting your own life in danger.

I guess what I don't understand is if this is a popular place for teenagers and young adults to party, it doesn't sound like a good dump site. There are YouTube videos about the graffiti on the overlook. It's not a secret place. There are plenty of truly abandoned places and less traveled roads in the area.

Example YouTube:

 

[OprahWinfrey]

Yesterday, an armed man described as a "survivalist living in the hills in Malibu Canyon" was arrested.
This man has a criminal history and is the prime suspect linked to a string of odd burglaries that have happened in the area.
I am not saying there is a connection between Matthew Weaver and the suspect at this time, however, I'm making you all aware of the developing story:
Armed Man Arrested in Remote Area of Malibu Creek State Park Amid Investigations Into Burglary Series, String of Shootings

A man carrying a rifle was arrested Wednesday on a remote hillside in Malibu Creek State Park as detectives searched for suspects in a burglary series that occurred over the past two years in and around the wilderness area.

The suspect was located after officials spotted fresh boot prints leading up to a steep ravine about one mile north of Mulholland Highway, west of Las Virgenes Road.

"Detectives followed the boot prints approximately 50 yards," McDonnell said. "Shortly after that they heard movement amongst the brush, followed by observing a male adult wearing black clothing, walking quickly, who resembled the suspects in the burglaries."



In recent months, there has been a lot of suspicious activity in the Malibu Canyon/Calabasas area.
Numerous reports of gunfire, burglaries, recovered remains, and a man that was shot and killed while camping with his two daughters.
Father killed while camping with 2 young daughters was shot in head, coroner says - CNN

 

[Steph9676]

@Steph9676 Brought that statement to this thread. There is no evidence that is true.

Someone mentioned it several threads back and deleted it now but I do not have any proof it is her. I tried to delete my post but it won’t let me.

 

[Steph9676]

Delete.

 

[finao]

Yesterday, an armed man described as a "survivalist living in the hills in Malibu Canyon" was arrested.
This man has a criminal history and is the prime suspect linked to a string of odd burglaries that have happened in the area.
I am not saying there is a connection between Matthew Weaver and the suspect at this time, however, I'm making you all aware of the developing story:
Armed Man Arrested in Remote Area of Malibu Creek State Park Amid Investigations Into Burglary Series, String of Shootings

A man carrying a rifle was arrested Wednesday on a remote hillside in Malibu Creek State Park as detectives searched for suspects in a burglary series that occurred over the past two years in and around the wilderness area.

The suspect was located after officials spotted fresh boot prints leading up to a steep ravine about one mile north of Mulholland Highway, west of Las Virgenes Road.

"Detectives followed the boot prints approximately 50 yards," McDonnell said. "Shortly after that they heard movement amongst the brush, followed by observing a male adult wearing black clothing, walking quickly, who resembled the suspects in the burglaries."



In recent months, there has been a lot of suspicious activity in the Malibu Canyon/Calabasas area.
Numerous reports of gunfire, burglaries, recovered remains, and a man that was shot and killed while camping with his two daughters.
Father killed while camping with 2 young daughters was shot in head, coroner says - CNN

First time I've seen that red circle. As a "survivalist," this man chose a strange place to hunker down, albeit not a lot of people or even trails in this area. One would have seen him walking (or conveyance?) between this location and, for example, the water treatment plant (that he burglarized). All very weird/unexplained.

 

[joeconejo]

Sorry, I must have missed your quote. I understand he was living in Granada Hills but was unaware that MalibuBarbie said that was the last ping location. Can you confirm this @joeconejo? Was the last ping really in Granada Hills?

The last ping was from Rosa's Overlook. I liked Rguycali's post because he said ;

"She wrote his phone pinged from cell towers in granada hills to never ping again, but Snapchat showed him in Topanga. If someone used a different phone to log into his Snapchat, Snapchat would have an IP address, make and model of phone."

I was agreeing that he was shown in Topanga. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Force Ten]

The last ping was from Rosa's Overlook. I liked Rguycali's post because he said ;

"She wrote his phone pinged from cell towers in granada hills to never ping again, but Snapchat showed him in Topanga. If someone used a different phone to log into his Snapchat, Snapchat would have an IP address, make and model of phone."

I was agreeing that he was shown in Topanga. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm no expert in cell tower data and pings but I have done some research on this subject. There is no way to pinpoint MW's precise location based on what tower his phone pinged. The typical range is about 5-8 mile radius and if you are near a tower that has too much traffic, your data can be routed to another tower. Sometimes many miles away.

 

[finao]

I'm no expert in cell tower data and pings but I have done some research on this subject. There is no way to pinpoint MW's precise location based on what tower his phone pinged. The typical range is about 5-8 mile radius and if you are near a tower that has too much traffic, your data can be routed to another tower. Sometimes many miles away.

Basically correct. At the overlook, cell coverage is likely provided by only one or two carriers on one (maybe two) towers. The nearest second and third tower are not only many miles away, but there is almost no spill-over from them to a handset up on the overlook. Thus, you can't triangulate with precision. But the cell carrier will have an estimated LatLong for the handset plotted on a map with a radius of possibility extending out (wider in this area due to terrain, weather, etc.). In fact, the carrier will have all of the handset's movements getting to the overlook if it was on and not in a faraday bag or similar. Furthermore, the carrier can distinguish between a handset being powered off - it sends an IMSI detach message - and all other reasons for being off the tower (faraday, smashed, battery died). So the mystery of where the handset was and whether it was powered off are likely in the hands of LE.

 

[Rguycali]

Basically correct. At the overlook, cell coverage is likely provided by only one or two carriers on one (maybe two) towers. The nearest second and third tower are not only many miles away, but there is almost no spill-over from them to a handset up on the overlook. Thus, you can't triangulate with precision. But the cell carrier will have an estimated LatLong for the handset plotted on a map with a radius of possibility extending out (wider in this area due to terrain, weather, etc.). In fact, the carrier will have all of the handset's movements getting to the overlook if it was on and not in a faraday bag or similar. Furthermore, the carrier can distinguish between a handset being powered off - it sends an IMSI detach message - and all other reasons for being off the tower (faraday, smashed, battery died). So the mystery of where the handset was and whether it was powered off are likely in the hands of LE.

All along Topanga and Mulholland and back roads like them now have mini towers/repeaters attached to phone poles. Are these piggy backed off a main tower or fiber optics? If I was standing right next to one and was connected to it for phone and data I would think my exact location would be known.

 

[finao]

All along Topanga and Mulholland and back roads like them now have mini towers/repeaters attached to phone poles. Are these piggy backed off a main tower or fiber optics? If I was standing right next to one and was connected to it for phone and data I would think my exact location would be known.

I probably should have looked up when I was last in this area to see... Picocells might be there to extend service via data, but that would be costly to the carrier. Not sure they'd do that for a bunch of motorcycle riders and a handful of (rich) houses? Laying fiber up there just for this is cost prohibitive, but who knows, weirder things happen. And if it's bouncing back to the tower via RF you'd see an antenna. There aren't repeaters for in-cell cellular networks/calls. So, back to the point of refining the location: not unless a data-connecting picocell (or similar) was online near his handset and he was jumping off of that - and even then it would only signal to the carrier that he's on that device, not it's proximity, direction or location. Again, the carrier would know the answer to most of this (and LE).

 

[Roxxi3535]

Hey everyone, if you do not already know, Lordan Arts has covered Matthew's story on his Youtube channel as an episode on his series Brainscratch Searchlight.
He posted it 2 days ago and it has already had 8,000 views. His series is popular and his work is well respected.

 

[Alethea]

Matthew's family posted information about a new press conference October 16 on their official FB page: Help Find Matthew Weaver Jr