CA CA - Matthew Weaver, 21, Santa Monica Mountains, 10 Aug 2018

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  • #661
Listening to his dad talk about Matthew's love of animals, and how he rescued dogs abandoned in the canyon...heartbreaking.

Such a bizarre timeline.
Someone who was out there in that long time period saw something, and let's hope that 911 caller comes forward.
 
  • #662
I'd love to see that surveillance video.
How were they able to pinpoint the correct day? Is the car visible?!

Yes, they said the car is visible going up the trail. They can't see inside, just the car. It's definitely weird nobody saw anything.
 
  • #663
Yes, they said the car is visible going up the trail. They can't see inside, just the car. It's definitely weird nobody saw anything.

Yes! They said they saw the car going up the trail. Then they saw unidentified people going up. Later they saw unidentified people going down.

So we know for a fact, based on CCTV, that people did walk by while the car was up there. I don't understand how someone could see a car with its bumper falling off on a tiny hiking trail that is closed to cars and not think it weird and call the police. Unless, of course, they were involved in a crime.

I wonder if LE can enhance the surveillance footage?
 
  • #664
As someone who consults on, among other things, surveillance (technical, etc) - I can tell you the "CCTV" footage is critical, but also likely very limited. It's unlikely that it was being real-time monitored and was likely static, intended to just track big movements, not faces, etc. But the real question is this:

1) MW's vehicle drives to the edge, but not necessarily MW unless for certain his text/call is him and the cellular carrier can be certain the handset sent it from Rosas Overlook and not Stunt Rd. (They can provide clarification on this for sure.)
2) People (how many?) walk past the surv camera(s), but did they go all the way to the end where they could see the car? Believe the camera(s) would be closer to the trail entrance and/or construction chokepoint (to record when equipment is stolen).
3) People (how many?) walked back out past the camera(s) again (did one additional person (MW) emerge on foot?)
4) What cellular carrier did MW have? Has someone tried using a handset on this network in the area and hiking down (towards Red Rock)? Does service drop below the overlook (but worked at the overlook)? (This is possible and therefore he could have hiked down, lost coverage, and then had issues with the terrain...but it's also not likely if the nearest tower was actually to the N/NW - he would be walking towards reception.)
5) The presumption should be that MW's car had a phone charger (most cars do and a tire over the edge won't drain the battery): so did his handset continue to 'ping' as active on the tower from 1148am onwards from Rosas (assuming that's where the texts came from)? How does this timeline correlate with the morning hikers passing the surv cams? After 1148am, did the handset signal the tower that it was being powered off? Or did it just never 'touch' a cell tower ever again (indicating the battery drained (odd), the signal was forever lost (odd), or the phone was smashed/battery removed)? These latter questions may be answered by re-reviewing the cellular data and CCTV footage. (As I previously mentioned elsewhere, the cellular carrier records a LatLong and, when a handset is powered down, an "IMSI detach" code.)

Clearly mixing in "new friends" (a term used at today's news conference), drugs (not mentioned), and a long-night of driving/partying adds a hundred other questions, too.

@joeconejo Good meeting you at the NEWS CONFERENCE.
 
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As someone who consults on, among other things, surveillance (technical, etc) - I can tell you the "CCTV" footage is critical, but also likely very limited. It's unlikely that it was being real-time monitored and was likely static, intended to just track big movements, not faces, etc. But the real question is this:

1) MW's vehicle drives to the edge, but not necessarily MW unless for certain his text/call is him and the cellular carrier can be certain the handset sent it from Rosas Overlook and not Stunt Rd. (They can provide clarification on this for sure.)
2) People (how many?) walk past the surv camera(s), but did they go all the way to the end where they could see the car? Believe the camera(s) would be closer to the trail entrance and/or construction chokepoint (to record when equipment is stolen).
3) People (how many?) walked back out past the camera(s) again (did one additional person (MW) emerge on foot?)
4) The presumption should be that MW's car had a phone charger (most cars do and a tire over the edge won't drain the battery): so did his handset continue to 'ping' as active on the tower from 1148am onwards from Rosas (assuming that's where the texts came from)? How does this timeline correlate with the morning hikers passing the surv cams? After 1148am, did the handset signal the tower that it was being powered off? Or did it just never 'touch' a cell tower ever again (indicating the battery drained (odd), the signal was forever lost (odd), or the phone was smashed/battery removed)? These latter questions may be answered by re-reviewing the cellular data and CCTV footage. (As I previously mentioned elsewhere, the cellular carrier records a LatLong and, when a handset is powered down, an "IMSI detach" code.)

Clearly mixing in "new friends" (a term used at today's news conference), drugs (not mentioned), and a long-night of driving/partying adds a hundred other questions, too.

@joeconejo Good meeting you.

Most of stunt road has no cell reception. I know when I've been in certain areas with very little signal and send a text, it looks like the text was sent but my recipient may not get it for hours later if at all.
 
  • #666
At a news conference Tuesday morning, Weaver's family announced the reward and appealed for public help to find him.

"We love him (and) miss him so much," Matthew Weaver Sr. said of his son. "So please help us find out what happened to him. Stay strong, Matthew, we will find you."
Family Refuses To Give Up On Missing Valley Man
 
  • #667
I think it was the right move to have a press conference. Well done by the family and their new PI. It's very important to find out who hiked up that trail that day in the specified time frame as well as who made the 911 call. The trail is hiked plenty and shown enough on social media that it was hard to imagine nobody was up there for the whole day and evening before the 911 call came in. If car parts were strewn all around up the trail and a car without a bumper is found up hanging over the edge that should warrant a call specifically since it obviously wasn't a super old car that someone just dumped. What is even stranger is that the 911 call came in in the middle of the night in the dark. The combination of the calls for help and the car probably triggered it then but it still is strange nobody reported it earlier or has come forward yet to say they have seen it there that day.
It would be interesting to know how soon after his car drove up the first person was hiking up the trial. In other words..was it close enough time wise that there could be a direct connection to his disappearance or was it hours after MW drove up there? How close to the time his last messages were sent?
 
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What is even stranger is that the 911 call came in in the middle of the night in the dark. The combination of the calls for help and the car probably triggered it then but it still is strange nobody reported it earlier or has come forward yet to say they have seen it there that day.

RSBM for focus:

I would love to know the exact location of where the 911 caller heard the cries for help in relation to where Matthew’s car was eventually found:

“He then dropped her [his friend] off at her place around 4:30 in the morning on Friday,’ Brooke [Matthew’s stepmom] told Dateline, referring to information police have since told her. Brooke added that, after dropping the friend off at her home, cell phone records show Matthew’s car traveling toward the Malibu canyons near Rosas Overlook above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas. ‘He posted a SnapChat video of the view from the trail around 5:30 or 6:00 a.m.

According to Brooke, surveillance footage shows Matthew’s car driving near a gated area on the trail at 7:12 a.m. A couple of hours later, Brooke says phone records show he exchanged a few text messages with the girl he’d been partying with earlier.

‘He called her around 11:30 a.m., but she texted him to say she was at work and ask him what was up,’ Brooke told Dateline. Brooke says Matthew texted her back a jumbled message, and the female friend then asked if he was OK.

Matthew never replied.

[SBM]

Over 12 hours later, just after midnight on August 11 in the area near where surveillance footage last captured Matthew’s car, hikers called police to report hearing a male and female calling for help. During their search for the people reportedly in need of help, the California Highway Patrol found Matthew’s car. A press release by the Los Angeles Police Department says his car was found ‘abandoned on the Topanga Tower Motorway, near Rosas Overlook, and above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas.’” (BBM)
California man Matthew Weaver Jr. still missing nearly two months after car found abandoned in Malibu canyons

From an article published after yesterday’s news conference:

“Weaver had just moved to Granada Hills from Simi Valley and was apparently in the Malibu area for about six hours.

Jayden Brant, a private investigator hired by Weaver's family, said during a news conference that he has obtained surveillance video from a nearby construction site that shows people going in and out of the area where Weaver's vehicle was spotted. While he didn't release the footage, Brant said he hopes to speak to people who were there that night who can possibly shed some light into what happened to Weaver.” (BBM)
Family Members Announce $50K Reward Amid Search for Man Last Seen in Topanga Area in August

@joeconejo
I have a few questions regarding the timeline. If you cannot answer for investigative reasons, I completely understand:

1. “(Matthew) was apparently in the Malibu area for about six hours”:
1) Is it safe to assume this information is based on phone pings?
2) Has it been determined which area(s) of Malibu Matthew (or at least his phone and car) was in, particularly between 5:30 am - 6:30 am to 7:12 am? For example, I’ve thought about the parking area at the trailhead, the areas along Saddle Peak and Stunt Roads, etc. Was the phone moving at all or stationary until 7:12 am?

2. As to the “surveillance footage (that) shows Matthew’s car driving near a gated area on the trail at 7:12 a.m.“ and “people going in and out of the area where Weaver's vehicle was spotted”:
Is it safe to assume all of the footage came from security cameras at the gated construction site, where the Topanga Tower is being renovated?

Wait: I just noticed an updated, very detailed timeline was added to Matthew’s 🤬🤬🤬 website 12 hours ago. In fact, I think it pretty much answers my first two questions. Unfortunately, we cannot discuss information from 🤬🤬🤬 sites per TOS.

Is there any way you could have someone post the document on the “Help Find Matthew Weaver Jr” FB page, so that we can talk about it?

Thank you. It was very clear to me from the press conference video this is an extremely difficult time for your entire family (even though he did not say anything, Matthew’s younger brother completely broke my heart). Please take good care of yourself and your family.
 
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Yes! They said they saw the car going up the trail. Then they saw unidentified people going up. Later they saw unidentified people going down.

So we know for a fact, based on CCTV, that people did walk by while the car was up there. I don't understand how someone could see a car with its bumper falling off on a tiny hiking trail that is closed to cars and not think it weird and call the police. Unless, of course, they were involved in a crime.

I wonder if LE can enhance the surveillance footage?

I noticed if you check out the streetview bubbles up at Rosas overlook, and if you are up on the graffiti ledge, you can't see what's on the lower trail to the side (where his car was).
I'm not sure how many of those hikers would have went around to that tiny side trail.
Honestly I'm confused why he(?) barreled up there anyway, it's a literal footpath.
 

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MATTHEW WEAVER TIMELINE

8/9/18

6-8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited place of employment in Sunland-Tujunga area and paid $400 by his employer.

8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited his father, Matt Sr. in Simi Valley.

9:28 PM Matthew is believed to have picked up a friend at her home in Chatsworth.


8/10/18

5:00 AM Matthew is believed to have dropped his friend off at her house in Chatsworth.

5:15 AM Matthew’s car on Mulholland Hwy

5:35 AM Matthew’s car turns onto Stunt Rd

5:45-6:24 AM Matthew’s car drives around Saddle Peak Rd & Schueren Rd.

6:24-6:57 AM Picture posted on Matthew’s Snapchat from the Stunt Rd & Saddle Peak Rd parking lot.

7:13 AM Matthew’s car on Topanga Tower Motorway, dirt road typically closed to public traffic.

7:15 AM Security camera captures a vehicle driving on the Topanga Tower Motorway toward Rosas Overlook.

7:28 AM Matthew’s car reaches the end of the trail at the area of Rosas Overlook

11:48 AM Last known outgoing call (unanswered) and text message sent from Matthew’s phone, from the area of Rosas Overlook.


8/11/18

1:00 AM An individual in the area of Rosas Overlook hears a cry for help and calls 911 at approximately 1 a.m. Subsequent response from CHP and LA County Fire Dept. locates Matthew's vehicle in the area of Rosas Overlook above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas. A search of the area ensues by CHP, LA County Fire, and LA County Search and Rescue.


Anyone who visited the area of the Topanga Tower Motorway and Rosas Overlook on Friday, August 10th is urged to contact the LAPD Missing Persons Unit at (213) 996-1800 and the Matthew Weaver tipline at 800-358-3830 (or matthewweaver.tips). Please contact both the LAPD and the tipline.
 
  • #672
MATTHEW WEAVER TIMELINE

8/9/18

6-8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited place of employment in Sunland-Tujunga area and paid $400 by his employer.

8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited his father, Matt Sr. in Simi Valley.

9:28 PM Matthew is believed to have picked up a friend at her home in Chatsworth.


8/10/18

5:00 AM Matthew is believed to have dropped his friend off at her house in Chatsworth.

5:15 AM Matthew’s car on Mulholland Hwy

5:35 AM Matthew’s car turns onto Stunt Rd

5:45-6:24 AM Matthew’s car drives around Saddle Peak Rd & Schueren Rd.

6:24-6:57 AM Picture posted on Matthew’s Snapchat from the Stunt Rd & Saddle Peak Rd parking lot.

7:13 AM Matthew’s car on Topanga Tower Motorway, dirt road typically closed to public traffic.

7:15 AM Security camera captures a vehicle driving on the Topanga Tower Motorway toward Rosas Overlook.

7:28 AM Matthew’s car reaches the end of the trail at the area of Rosas Overlook

11:48 AM Last known outgoing call (unanswered) and text message sent from Matthew’s phone, from the area of Rosas Overlook.


8/11/18

1:00 AM An individual in the area of Rosas Overlook hears a cry for help and calls 911 at approximately 1 a.m. Subsequent response from CHP and LA County Fire Dept. locates Matthew's vehicle in the area of Rosas Overlook above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas. A search of the area ensues by CHP, LA County Fire, and LA County Search and Rescue.


Anyone who visited the area of the Topanga Tower Motorway and Rosas Overlook on Friday, August 10th is urged to contact the LAPD Missing Persons Unit at (213) 996-1800 and the Matthew Weaver tipline at 800-358-3830 (or matthewweaver.tips). Please contact both the LAPD and the tipline.

>7:28 AM Matthew’s car reaches the end of the trail at the area of Rosas Overlook

I'm guessing the phone stopped where they found the car, are we to believe this is when he got stuck?
Why no contact to anyone -for 4 hours-after his tire is hanging off a cliff?
Maybe worried he'd get in trouble?
 
  • #673
I noticed if you check out the streetview bubbles up at Rosas overlook, and if you are up on the graffiti ledge, you can't see what's on the lower trail to the side (where his car was).
I'm not sure how many of those hikers would have went around to that tiny side trail.
Honestly I'm confused why he(?) barreled up there anyway, it's a literal footpath.
Yes, literally a footpath. So I'm wondering how difficult it would have been for the driver to open the car door and get out (was there room?!) and then manage to check the status of the front tire and then back around to the trunk.

I am assuming that heights are not an issue for MW as he is a linesman. But to have the front wheel off the cliff.....whoever drove the car up there (and I believe it was MW) had to either have nerves of steel or was out of their head. Even if it was someone trying to get rid of the car (I don't think that),
how foolhardy and dangerous it would have been just to hide the car.
 
  • #674
Yes, literally a footpath. So I'm wondering how difficult it would have been for the driver to open the car door and get out (was there room?!) and then manage to check the status of the front tire and then back around to the trunk.

I am assuming that heights are not an issue for MW as he is a linesman. But to have the front wheel off the cliff.....whoever drove the car up there (and I believe it was MW) had to either have nerves of steel or was out of their head. Even if it was someone trying to get rid of the car (I don't think that),
how foolhardy and dangerous it would have been just to hide the car.

Has it been confirmed that the trunk lock was busted from the inside?
Stated here in this article
Disturbing Details Emerge in the Disappearance of Matthew Weaver Jr. - The Local Malibu

That could explain how he got out of the car.
 
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Good point! But surely there is a trunk release up by the steering wheel?!
Yeah I would imagine his car did, actually.

So, I try to think if Matthew was stuck at the top of the overlook that morning..
Let's say he gets out safely - and yet it's like that's when the trouble started.

4 hours before he contacts anyone.

Doesn't call a sibling or parent, calls the girl he was with overnight (and just recently met).

Not 'my cars stuck on a cliff'
But 'some crazy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is going on - just want to talk while I have the chance'

13 hours later screams are reported.
 
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MATTHEW WEAVER TIMELINE

8/9/18

6-8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited place of employment in Sunland-Tujunga area and paid $400 by his employer.

8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited his father, Matt Sr. in Simi Valley.

9:28 PM Matthew is believed to have picked up a friend at her home in Chatsworth.


8/10/18

5:00 AM Matthew is believed to have dropped his friend off at her house in Chatsworth.

5:15 AM Matthew’s car on Mulholland Hwy

5:35 AM Matthew’s car turns onto Stunt Rd

5:45-6:24 AM Matthew’s car drives around Saddle Peak Rd & Schueren Rd.

6:24-6:57 AM Picture posted on Matthew’s Snapchat from the Stunt Rd & Saddle Peak Rd parking lot.

7:13 AM Matthew’s car on Topanga Tower Motorway, dirt road typically closed to public traffic.

7:15 AM Security camera captures a vehicle driving on the Topanga Tower Motorway toward Rosas Overlook.

7:28 AM Matthew’s car reaches the end of the trail at the area of Rosas Overlook

11:48 AM Last known outgoing call (unanswered) and text message sent from Matthew’s phone, from the area of Rosas Overlook.


8/11/18

1:00 AM An individual in the area of Rosas Overlook hears a cry for help and calls 911 at approximately 1 a.m. Subsequent response from CHP and LA County Fire Dept. locates Matthew's vehicle in the area of Rosas Overlook above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas. A search of the area ensues by CHP, LA County Fire, and LA County Search and Rescue.


Anyone who visited the area of the Topanga Tower Motorway and Rosas Overlook on Friday, August 10th is urged to contact the LAPD Missing Persons Unit at (213) 996-1800 and the Matthew Weaver tipline at 800-358-3830 (or matthewweaver.tips). Please contact both the LAPD and the tipline.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this, Joe. It’s very helpful.

Does the family have any ideas or guesses as to what Matthew might have been doing between the hours of 5:35 and 7:13 am?

I am wondering if he was meeting with someone at (or even lured to) the Stunt Rd & Saddle Peak Rd parking lot, something went wrong, and he started driving up the Motorway to get away from the situation.

In that case, perhaps he decided not to drive up the main trail because he was trying to hide from them. Once he couldn’t go any further, maybe he got out of the car and hid elsewhere.

Perhaps his phone ran out of battery almost immediately after the “I jusst to talk while i have the chance [sic]” was sent, and then once he felt it was safe to do so, maybe he began to walk back to the main road to get help. If he got hurt in the process, it could have in fact been him who was crying for help.

Alternatively, whoever that might have been going after him could have caught up to him (perhaps even where the dogs lost his scent) and hurt him (I’m sorry :().

By the way, has LE or Mr. Brant been contacted by anyone who thinks s/he might have seen Matthew, his car, or any suspicious activity during the relevant time frame? Anything at all??
 
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MATTHEW WEAVER TIMELINE

8/9/18

6-8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited place of employment in Sunland-Tujunga area and paid $400 by his employer.

8 PM Matthew is believed to have visited his father, Matt Sr. in Simi Valley.

9:28 PM Matthew is believed to have picked up a friend at her home in Chatsworth.


8/10/18

5:00 AM Matthew is believed to have dropped his friend off at her house in Chatsworth.

5:15 AM Matthew’s car on Mulholland Hwy

5:35 AM Matthew’s car turns onto Stunt Rd

5:45-6:24 AM Matthew’s car drives around Saddle Peak Rd & Schueren Rd.

6:24-6:57 AM Picture posted on Matthew’s Snapchat from the Stunt Rd & Saddle Peak Rd parking lot.

7:13 AM Matthew’s car on Topanga Tower Motorway, dirt road typically closed to public traffic.

7:15 AM Security camera captures a vehicle driving on the Topanga Tower Motorway toward Rosas Overlook.

7:28 AM Matthew’s car reaches the end of the trail at the area of Rosas Overlook

11:48 AM Last known outgoing call (unanswered) and text message sent from Matthew’s phone, from the area of Rosas Overlook.


8/11/18

1:00 AM An individual in the area of Rosas Overlook hears a cry for help and calls 911 at approximately 1 a.m. Subsequent response from CHP and LA County Fire Dept. locates Matthew's vehicle in the area of Rosas Overlook above the Backbone Trail and Hondo Canyon areas. A search of the area ensues by CHP, LA County Fire, and LA County Search and Rescue.


Anyone who visited the area of the Topanga Tower Motorway and Rosas Overlook on Friday, August 10th is urged to contact the LAPD Missing Persons Unit at (213) 996-1800 and the Matthew Weaver tipline at 800-358-3830 (or matthewweaver.tips). Please contact both the LAPD and the tipline.

What about the text message we have seen? Is this a different friend? I thought the time stamp was 1 something am?
 
  • #679
What about the text message we have seen? Is this a different friend? I thought the time stamp was 1 something am?

He called, and then texted at 11:49am
 

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I wish I had some new idea or insight to throw in here. I know the area well and have been reading every post and IME it sounds like everyone is doing the best they can right now. I am usually confident that LE knows more but it honestly doesn't sound that way.

I hope there is good news, or any news, soon. This is obviously absolutely devastating for those who know and love this young man.

Matrice Richardson's case just keeps echoing back to me as I read... not drawing parallels aside from it being the same area... and heartbreaking.

I wish hope and positive energy were tangible and more helpful.
 
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