CA - Mom Drowns Twin Baby Boys in Motel After Leaving Women's Shelter, Tulare, Dec 2018 *insanity*

  • #21
I wish there were a way we could communicate with some of these women before they murder their children, tell them there are people who care, who will help them. I would do whatever humanly possible to keep a mother from killing her children and I know most people on here would too.

The problem that I see, is that often the people who work in this field, are zealous advocates about single Mothers raising children. When a Mother even breathes a word about adoption, advocates tell her about housing vouchers, child care subsidies, everything available for her to keep her children. Sadly, those advocates are not around 24/7, to help Mothers deal with the reality of raising kids with no money, and no social support. Especially if the Mother has a history of drug addiction. It is almost impossible to terminate parental rights, until kids are horribly abused, neglected or dead. And the advocates are always there to support rehabilitation and family reunification.
 
  • #22
""Honestly I thought my sister had killed herself," said Teresa....""

It makes me so sad to read this. People did see the signs. Why didn't anyone help her before she tried to suicide or even worse now, drowned her babies... My heart breaks about this whole situation.

It is heartbreaking. :( Sadly, it isn’t always possible to help people if they don’t think they need help or if they don’t want it. There is very little that can be done beyond holding people in a mental health facility involuntarily for 72 hours IF they are deemed a threat to themselves or others. Too often that can’t be done or 72 hours isn’t long enough. Legal protections for the mentally ill can backfire and leave families helpless. I really feel for her family and friends. On her FB page she looked like a good Mom and a lovely person with friends who loved her. Clearly she was in a darker place than maybe even she realized until it was too late.
 
  • #23
This is so tragic. She sounded sad and depressed in that last FB post. But I see people online expressing sadness and depression not infrequently. No one assumes they are going to drown their children a day or two later. I would never look at her wall and think it's likely she was going to drown her two youngest.

I just wonder about some sort of psychotic break. She seemed to take good care of her children. Why was she separated from the older 3? What would be accomplished by killing her two babies? I often wonder that when someone kills family like this and it's clearly not something that's going to be hidden...what exactly did they think was going to happen?

She also was telling the other woman something like "I almost drowned my babies. I almost drowned my babies." Without scrolling back it was something like almost....did she put them in the tub and leave? Why did she say she almost did it? Something about the wording just seemed weird. Was she planning or trying to claim it was an accident? Is that how she was going to cover up two dead babies?
 
  • #24
""Honestly I thought my sister had killed herself," said Teresa....""

It makes me so sad to read this. People did see the signs. Why didn't anyone help her before she tried to suicide or even worse now, drowned her babies... My heart breaks about this whole situation.

I think people lie to themselves about how serious someone else's mental health issues might be. But it sounds like she had a lot of family and nearby. Why would she ever end up in a shelter with her babies instead of with family? If I ever ended up needing a place to stay I know any of my family would take me and my kids. I would think it would have to be pretty dire to end up in a shelter and then taken to a hotel if the shelter kicked you out.
 
  • #25
I'm sure there is a lot more to know about the particular circumstances of this case, especially what led to this mother and babies leaving the women's shelter and the police being left to find them a roof over their heads. Time after time police are left to deal with people who have mental health problems (as I think will be confirmed eventually, IMO).
I don't think police get enough training in this area but I would have hoped workers in a women's shelter would have some. It still isn't always easy to know when someone is just being "difficult", or if they are ill or at risk to themselves or others.

With the twins at just ten months old the first thing I would think of in this case is severe post-natal depression. I used to work occasionally in the mother and baby ward of a private psychiatric hospital (UK). I think nearly all the cases I saw were NHS funded as these specialist units are few and far between. We could have the mother and baby together but with close 24 hour supervision by trained staff so they hopefully could maintain their bond but the staff were there to look after the baby if the mother was overwhelmed/unwell. Most patients were voluntary but we did have the ability to request to section patients under the Mental Health Act for short/long periods if they were a risk to themselves or others. It could take many months sometimes to get the medication and support working properly so these mothers and babies could go home safely.

It's just a tragedy when people fall through the cracks like this, it would be a lot for any woman to cope with, twins on her own and homeless. But for some women and their babies the hormonal imbalances caused by pregnancy (especially twins), followed by a lack of support can be catastrophic.
This case immediately on the surface reminds me (as it will others) so much of Andrea Yates who tragically also drowned her five children in the bath. If there was ever a textbook case of failures in mental health treatment and dire consequences of too many pregnancies it's hers.
I wonder if this mother asked for help from people around her as well as on Facebook, or if she felt she couldn't admit "failure" as she says. So sad she couldn't connect with someone who could give her practical, hands-on support.
 
  • #26
That FB post was alarming and obviously foreshadowing (I know, easy to say now). BUT the responses she recd from “friends” reminds me of our society’s and government’s responses to mass shootings - basically “thoughts and prayers” and a sad face emoji. Next.

If you see something, say something. Do something. Who knows. Maybe someone did. Besides telling her to pray, did anyone drive over there to see what was going on.

You can report someone to CPs, authorities, etc but if there is no real threat (other than being in a dark place), what can be done.
 
  • #27
Woman accused of drowning 10-month old twins pleads not guilty in court

December 12, 2018

"FRESNO, Calif. (KFSN) -- In an arraignment on Tuesday, 37-year old Heather Langdon pleaded not guilty for the drowning of her 10-month old twin boys.

The Tulare County District Attorney's Office filed four felony charges against Langdon on Monday, including murder and assault on a child causing death....

Langdon will be back in court on Wednesday for her pre-prelim hearing."

Woman accused of drowning 10-month old twins pleads not guilty in court
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  • #28
Anyone access Tulare County - I'm denied....

TIA!
 
  • #29
That FB post was a huge cry for help...it seems like a lot of people fall through the cracks of our mental health system. She likely won't get adequate treatment if she ends up going to jail for the rest of her life, either. The entire situation is just so tragic.

THIS^^^^ the whole post...

BBM this is a very important post IMO. Thank you @alucardsdream. Indeed, so very, very tragic all the way around. Tears for those boys, and for those who knew and loved them, and for especially for Teresa and for Heather... whose lives will never be the same...
 
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  • #31
Can't get into that link, but thanks for checking!
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  • #33
Nothing there, Niner, except what YESorNo posted, which is re something from 2017:

Disposed as Bond Exonerated on 06/07/2017
 
  • #34
Thank you for checking AzPistonsGirl! :)
 
  • #35
Bumping thread up for Mason & Maddox!

Any update @AzPistonsGirl - TIA! :)
 
  • #36
there is still nothing there on the Court site - how can that be? What's going on?
 
  • #37
Thursday, June 6th:
*Readiness Hearing (@ PT) – CA- Mason & Maddox Murguia (10 mos) (Dec. 6, 2018, Tulare) - *Heather Marie Langdon (37) arrested & charged (12/6/18) & arraigned (12/10/18) with 2 counts of murder & willful child endangerment. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Drowned her twins in motel bathtub.
12/10/18 Update: Plead not guilty. Next pre-preliminary hearing on 12/12.
12/12/18 Update: Next Readiness Conference hearing on 6/6 & Preliminary hearing on 6/14/19.
 
  • #38
Friday, June 14th:
*Preliminary Hearing (@ PT) – CA- Mason & Maddox Murguia (10 mos) (Dec. 6, 2018, Tulare) - *Heather Marie Langdon (37) arrested & charged (12/6/18) & arraigned (12/10/18) with 2 counts of murder & willful child endangerment. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Drowned her twins in motel bathtub.
12/10/18 Update: Plead not guilty. Next pre-preliminary hearing on 12/12.
12/12/18 Update: Next Readiness Conference hearing on 6/6 & Preliminary hearing on 6/14/19.



@MsFacetious - any updates on "what" happened at her hearing on 6/6? TIA! :)
 
  • #39
@AzPistonsGirl - too soon to ask about the next court date? Or did she finally plead guilty?
TIA! :)
 
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