CA - Multiple casualties after 'active shooter' opens fire, Thousand Oaks, 08 Nov 2018

[MaryG12]

Medication is given all over the world. Mental health is an issue everywhere. Japan, Europe, Britain. People take psychotropic drugs.

The question is, why are they on these drugs?

 

[enelram]

What they all have in common is the desire to kill innocent people at random in one setting. So, it seems like the solution is fixing that desire.

jmo

Wouldn't you think they were actually planning to kill themselves
first but something in their brain said make it a big splash by
killing a bunch of other people? Not sure the thinking of these
guys. What is really going through their brains?

 

[sassyblue]

In MN where I lived, off duty police were required to wear their guns. Is this the case there?

I was told by a Police officer friend that the off duty officers were unarmed.

 

[enelram]

Iirc Glock’s don’t set off metal detectors...not sure if it’s an old wives tale or not..I used to remember old discussions about this back in the day. What about the firing pin, etc...note to look up.

Quick scan says this is a myth- there's a new law since '88 making
it illegal to mfr. or use guns that are undetectable.

 

[margarita25]

Quick scan says this is a myth- there's a new law since '88 making
it illegal to mfr. or use guns that are undetectable.

Iirc glock 17s were made in the early 80s, so maybe before that law? Idk, thanks for the response!

 

[margarita25]

good question. But many bars today are gun free zones and have
metal detectors at the door. This one did have at least one security
guard on duty that night.

(Jinx poke poke you owe me a coke)

 

[enelram]

The question is, why are they on these drugs?

BINGO!
I wonder if it's common that veterans start or continue experimenting with recreational drugs once they're in the military
and when they get discharged their behavior/brains are already
addicted. Using PTSD as a reason for an addict to get all kinds
of drugs would work. The PBS show mentioned the vet on the
show had numerous types of 'uppers and downers' as well as
oxycontin.

 

[Hraefn]

One of the victims killed in the Borderline Bar & Grill shooting in Thousand Oaks, California has been identified as Alaina Housley by family members. They describe her as a "incredible young woman with so much life ahead of her."

Read the full family statement:

Our hearts are broken. We just learned that our niece Alaina was one of the victims of last night’s shooting at Borderline bar in Thousand Oaks. Alaina was an incredible young woman with so much life ahead of her and we are devastated that her life was cut short in this manner. We thank everyone for your prayers and ask for privacy at this time.

Live updates: California shooting leaves 12 dead in Thousand Oaks - CNN

ETA: This is Tamera Mowry-Housley's niece for those of you who didn't know.

 

[margarita25]

What they all have in common is the desire to kill innocent people at random in one setting. So, it seems like the solution is fixing that desire.

jmo

Yes, IntheDetails, in one of the other threads last week (now that is SAD that I can’t even remeber which one), I remember telling @bluesneakers that I’ve figured out imo what connects all these shooters:

HATE.

 

[margarita25]

Live updates: California shooting leaves 12 dead in Thousand Oaks - CNN

So senseless!!!!!

No words right now.

Beautiful girl. Probably never harmed a fly.

RIP Alaina and condolences to her family and friends.
:Rose:


Thanks for the updates in advance everyone. I have to get back to work, want to check in on Hania and Jayme real quick.

Hugs and I’m really happy that we can talk about this together. This is a very important issue that needs our attention, imo and I appreciate everyone from different places and backgrounds being able to weighin re: insights on mental health, etc.

(ETA: gosh this so pathetic that we are here AGAIN and so sooooon, I’m not even caught up in the other shooting threads. Gah!! I can’t believe this...well, yes I can.

End rant)

 

[margarita25]

“1 min ago
This is the 4th "soft target" attack in 2 weeks”

Live updates: California shooting leaves 12 dead in Thousand Oaks - CNN

(Yeah, we know.... )

ETA:

Not even 2 weeks, right?

 

[LaborDayRN]

Local news is saying there should be a press conference at 1:15 today.

 

[margarita25]

Wouldn't you think they were actually planning to kill themselves
first but something in their brain said make it a big splash by
killing a bunch of other people? Not sure the thinking of these
guys. What is really going through their brains?

Jmo, we have talked about the possible narcissism associated with these shooters, imo. Which is why I’m really worried that one of these days the shooter is going to be too narcissistic to commit suicide and will get away.

And then we are going to have a serial mass shooter. Knock on wood and I hope my prediction is wrong.

(O/T, but along these same lines of the increasing violence and these news possible hybrids that could emerge/be emerging, I’m also worried about a new more violent breed of child abductors MO wise, as it seems other crimes within the same incidents of abductions are being reported, such as carjacking and murder (Hania/Jayme -our 2 current active AAs, both 13 year old girls as we know...ftr we don’t know who the perps are or where the victims are at this time. Yes there have always been violent child abductions, I’m just saying that imo we can expect abductions that are going to be more violent in nature, MOO.

ETA:
I haven’t even looked at the other CA shooting thread I posted last night—-last I saw that shooter remained at large. I don’t know any details about that case yet.

 

[MassGuy]

What they all have in common is the desire to kill innocent people at random in one setting. So, it seems like the solution is fixing that desire.

jmo

Easier said than done.

But that’s really the issue, the desire to perpetrate mass murders like this. Each one seems to perpetuate the next one.

Have a grudge? Want to make a name for yourself? Commit mass murder. That seems to be the logic.

 

[UKslueth2018]

What they all have in common is the desire to kill innocent people at random in one setting. So, it seems like the solution is fixing that desire.

jmo

Spot on... How does that become their desire?

 

[margarita25]

I am more eager than ever to continue my mini case study and analysis I began in Pittsburgh. I hope this doesn’t remain on my “to do” list like everything else so actively putting this out there in the universe. I had started with 10, narrowed them down to 3, looks like I’ll likely have 5 now if I add the yoga shooter and Thousands Oaks. Which is a good number I think for a deep mini study of this sort.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes, IntheDetails, in one of the other threads last week (now that is SAD that I can’t even remeber which one), I remember telling @bluesneakers that I’ve figured out imo what connects all these shooters:

HATE.

You're right.

Seems impossible and overwhelming to fix hate, and while hate can't be eliminated completely, I do think progress can be made. Even if others don't, I do think we can improve ourselves. All of us.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Spot on... How does that become their desire?

That's the question worth spending our energy and time asking.

By "our," I mean as a culture, not necessarily on this thread.

jmo

 

[margarita25]

Last night as all of this was unfolding, I was listening to a pastor on Fox News talking. He had just returned from Pittsburgh. And his little sister was at the Vegas shooting.

While we were waiting for an update from LE he was talking about how much he feels for the families during this time, the ones who are trying to get a hold of their loved ones not knowing...he said it took him 24 hours to finally be able to make contact with his sister and that the initial hours are ones of absolute chaos.

 

[cybervampira]

"Cody was the big brother that my kids need. I have a daughter coming on the 29th of this month. He was so excited to have his first sister."
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