CA - Natalie Wood, 43, drowned off California coast, 29 Nov 1981

[redheadedgal]

Natalie Wood murder charges – ‘grand jury to target Robert Wagner’

One of Hollywood’s most disturbing mysteries comes to a climax - by New Idea

from the globe? again, since when do tabloids constitute proper news sources here? i thought WS was better than that?

 

[redheadedgal]

She has had work, but not as much as she had wanted. She lived in that home for several years. She was told by an agent at ICM that she had been blackballed. So, how did that happen? Your defense of Wagner is more than a little bit disturbing. So the LASD who is investigating is not a reliable source? The mainstream media is avoiding picking up the story, for obvious reasons.

For several years, Wood lived with Evan and her grandchildren in a rented home in California. When they could no longer afford the rent, they had to move out. With no one to take them in, the family was suddenly homeless.

Her financial crisis has been worsened her daughter's mounting medical bills. Evan battled Hodgkin's lymphoma and her radiation treatments permanently scarred her lungs. She breathes through an oxygen compressor and her cancer has since returned.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...-natalie-wood-now-homeless-its-just-difficult

Wagner is a creep for not helping Natalie's niece! No matter how he feels about Lana, Evan is Natalie's niece. But all he cares about is his own behind. His isolating Lana from her nieces was selfish. She was a part of their lives before that. And he moved on
way too fast.

my defense of wagner? that's another incorrect statement. i am stating FACTS. can we stick to them instead of lurid tabloid headlines and exaggerations and outright untruths?

 

[Noirdame79]

my defense of wagner? that's another incorrect statement. i am stating FACTS. can we stick to them instead of lurid tabloid headlines and exaggerations and outright untruths?

It is a fact that this is an open homicide investigation. He has been named " a person of interest". He is the only surviving person aboard "The Splendour" that night who is not cooperating with the authorities. So, is The Cold Research Institute not credible? I'd love to see you or someone else prove that they are not. Just because some details have not been picked up by the mainstream media doesn't mean that the information is not credible. The mainstream media, in fact, has been known to distort facts on occasion or present only a one-sided view.

 

[redheadedgal]

It is a fact that this is an open homicide investigation. He has been named " a person of interest". He is the only surviving person aboard "The Splendour" that night who is not cooperating with the authorities. So, is The Cold Research Institute not credible? I'd love to see you or someone else prove that they are not. Just because some details have not been picked up by the mainstream media doesn't mean that the information is not credible. The mainstream media, in fact, has been known to distort facts on occasion or present only a one-sided view.

here is statement that opposes what you posted. from the LASD. april 2016:

He is not considered a suspect by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-learned-mom-died-radio.html#ixzz4jfLkZvWl
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and from november 2016, months after receiving "evidence" from CCIRI:

The official cause of Natalie Wood’s 1981 death remains accidental drowning, as investigators say they have found nothing to dispute that in the two months since they re-opened the case. “At this point, it is an accidental death,” William McSweeney, chief of detectives for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, tells the Los Angeles Times. “Nothing has been discovered to suggest changing that at this time.” The case has not been closed, but McSweeney said it is unlikely anything new will be uncovered about death of the actress, who was 43 when she died.

http://people.com/celebrity/natalie-wood-case-no-new-evidence-found/

as for CCIRI... yes, "crack open a bottle and crack open a case" sounds extremely professional and legit lol

lastly, if you've read any of my earlier posts in this thread, you will clearly see ita that RW was involved with her death. i am just disputing that the LASD is calling him a suspect and an arrest is "imminent". if that was the case, it would be all over the (real) news.

 

[Noirdame79]

here is statement that opposes what you posted. from the LASD. april 2016:

He is not considered a suspect by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-learned-mom-died-radio.html#ixzz4jfLkZvWl
​

and from november 2016, months after receiving "evidence" from CCIRI:

The official cause of Natalie Wood’s 1981 death remains accidental drowning, as investigators say they have found nothing to dispute that in the two months since they re-opened the case. “At this point, it is an accidental death,” William McSweeney, chief of detectives for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, tells the Los Angeles Times. “Nothing has been discovered to suggest changing that at this time.”

Oh, really?


L.A. County coroner changes Natalie Wood's cause of death

Citing bruises found on the actress' body, the medical examiner questions the original findings and revises the cause from an accident to 'drowning and other undetermined factors.'

January 14, 2013|By Christopher Goffard, Kate Mather and Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times

Through three decades of fevered tabloid speculation and whispers of a deeper story, the official account never changed: Natalie Wood drowned accidentally. The 43-year-old star of "West Side Story," who couldn't swim, had been drinking the night before she was found floating face-down in frigid waters off Santa Catalina Island.

When the L.A. County Sheriff's Department reopened the case in November 2011, around the 30th anniversary of her death, skeptics questioned the timing and doubted whether there was anything new to be learned.

Instead of quieting speculation, however, the investigation has raised fresh — and probably unanswerable — questions about one of Hollywood's most enduring puzzles.

In a report released Monday, the coroner, Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran, questioned the original 1981 findings and changed Wood's cause of death from "accidental drowning" to "drowning and other undetermined factors."


The coroner's report cited unexplained fresh bruising on the actress' right forearm, left wrist and right knee, along with a scratch on her neck and a superficial scrape on her forehead. Officials said the wounds open the possibility that she was assaulted before drowning.

"This Examiner is unable to exclude non-accidental mechanism causing these injuries," the report said, adding that evidence suggested the bruising occurred before Wood entered the water.

Sheriff's investigators said that the Wood case remains open but that detectives have reached an impasse. One law enforcement source who has worked on the case said detectives may never have a conclusive answer given that "evidence is stale — with fading memories and incomplete forensics."

The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing, said there was not enough evidence to classify the case a crime, much less a homicide.

Experts said it was highly unusual for coroners to contradict the autopsy findings performed by their own office. Michael Baden, a former New York examiner and noted trial expert witness, said that although both examinations of Wood's body looked at the same evidence, the new report found the bruising to be far more significant — enough to change the cause of death.

"Sathyavagiswaran knows by issuing this opinion that he will unleash criticism on his predecessor and questions over how it handled a celebrity death three decades ago," Baden said. "He knows in saying this he has criticized [former coroner] Dr. [Thomas] Noguchi and the office back in 1981."

Noguchi did not return calls for comment.

The new report noted "conflicting statements" about when Wood disappeared, and whether she had argued with her husband, actor Robert Wagner, who — along Christopher Walken, her co-star in the film "Brainstorm" — were aboard the 60-foot yacht where she was last seen alive Nov. 28, 1981.

Hours before her death, authorities said, the three actors had had dinner at Doug's Harbor Reef restaurant and then returned to the yacht, called the Splendour, where they drank and an argument ensued between Walken and Wagner.

According to the new autopsy report, Wood went missing about midnight, and an analysis of her stomach contents placed her death around that time. The report said Wagner placed a radio call to report her missing at 1:30 a.m.

Roger Smith, the L.A. County rescue boat captain who helped pull Wood's body from the water, said he did not receive a call to look for her until after 5 a.m.

The original investigators believed Wood sustained her bruises after falling off the yacht and struggling to pull herself from the water into a rubber dinghy, whose starboard side bore scratch marks that seemed consistent with that theory.

But in his report, Sathyavagiswaran noted that investigators did not take nail clippings from Wood's body to determine whether she had made the scratch marks, and the dinghy was no longer available to be examined. The coroner believes Wood died soon after entering the water.

In an interview Monday, Smith said he wondered whether Wood might have been found alive if the rescue effort had gotten underway sooner. "There's no question in my mind that he just delayed calling for us," Smith said, referring to Wagner.

Smith said he and a deputy examined Wood's body but saw no bruises."We went over her very closely," said Smith, 68. "When we looked at her, we didn't see any bruises. We were looking for needle marks or anything like that — we didn't see anything."

He said the cold water may have delayed any bruising. Smith said he examined the dinghy, which was found beached nearby, and saw dislodged seats and what appeared to be "nail marks along the inside of the raft," as though Wood had tried frantically to reach in and pull herself up.

"She probably couldn't pull herself in because she was so weak," Smith said. "It looked like she was maybe grabbing things. I just think she was trying to get in."

Smith said he had doubted an earlier claim by yacht captain Dennis Davern that he had seen bruises on Wood's body. "He could not have seen bruises on her because out of decency, I covered her up with a disposable blanket," Smith said.

Wagner has said his wife hadn't been suicidal and called her death a tragic accident. According to the account given by Wagner's spokesman, when he noticed his wife missing he believed she had taken the dinghy, and he went looking for her after 10 to 15 minutes, then contacted the Harbor Patrol when he couldn't find her.

Wagner could not be reached for comment Monday.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-01-14-natalie-wood-20130115

i am just disputing that the LASD is calling him a suspect and an arrest is "imminent". if that was the case, it would be all over the (real) news.

I did not say he has been named as a suspect (at least not yet). What I said is that he has been named a "person of interest".

The West Side Story actress’s drowning off the coast of California was ruled accidental at the time. Now a police source has described Wood’s husband, Hart-To-Hart star Robert Wagner, now 81, as ‘a person of interest’ in the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...scuer-moment-told-Robert-Wagner-hed-body.html

 

[Roselvr]

Want to bump the autopsy posts

Not sure if this has been posted, Direct PDF of Natalie Wood's autopsy

If anyone hasn't looked at the autopsy you should. They give a drawing of her many bruises. I'd like to know if drowning victims normally have similar bruising. Had she and Wagner fought and she wanted to go back to land, I surely wouldn't do it dressed the way she was; especially being an actress.

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[Noirdame79]

[video=youtube;R6Hr8CIkY6Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Hr8CIkY6Q[/video]

 

[Hiandmighty]

She has had work, but not as much as she had wanted. She lived in that home for several years. She was told by an agent at ICM that she had been blackballed. So, how did that happen? Your defense of Wagner is more than a little bit disturbing. So the LASD who is investigating is not a reliable source? The mainstream media is avoiding picking up the story, for obvious reasons.

For several years, Wood lived with Evan and her grandchildren in a rented home in California. When they could no longer afford the rent, they had to move out. With no one to take them in, the family was suddenly homeless.

Her financial crisis has been worsened her daughter's mounting medical bills. Evan battled Hodgkin's lymphoma and her radiation treatments permanently scarred her lungs. She breathes through an oxygen compressor and her cancer has since returned.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...-natalie-wood-now-homeless-its-just-difficult

Wagner is a creep for not helping Natalie's niece! No matter how he feels about Lana, Evan is Natalie's niece. But all he cares about is his own behind. His isolating Lana from her nieces was selfish. She was a part of their lives before that. And he moved on
way too fast.

Look, I have a mentally ill sister who used to think my money was "our money" and she could get me to finance her stuff whenever she wanted it. (Delusional).

I have zero problem with Bob Wagner not helping her or her kids. His money, his choice.

Also, I don't see how Natalie could have been strangled when she had no evidence of strangulation at autopsy AND had water in her lungs because she drowned.

 

[Noirdame79]

Look, I have a mentally ill sister who used to think my money was "our money" and she could get me to finance her stuff whenever she wanted it. (Delusional).

I have zero problem with Bob Wagner not helping her or her kids. His money, his choice.

Also, I don't see how Natalie could have been strangled when she had no evidence of strangulation at autopsy AND had water in her lungs because she drowned.

Who said the cause of death was strangulation? She had sea foam in her lungs, not water. She was either unconscious or already dead when she was put into the water. And she had a full bladder.

 

[redheadedgal]

Oh, really?

this article is from 2013. the ones i posted were last fall, 2016. enough said.

 

[redheadedgal]

I did not say he has been named as a suspect (at least not yet). What I said is that he has been named a "person of interest".

semantics. it was implied LASD believed it.

 

[Jennifer17]

Look, I have a mentally ill sister who used to think my money was "our money" and she could get me to finance her stuff whenever she wanted it. (Delusional).

I have zero problem with Bob Wagner not helping her or her kids. His money, his choice.

Also, I don't see how Natalie could have been strangled when she had no evidence of strangulation at autopsy AND had water in her lungs because she drowned.

Or had her face punched in and thrown overboard to drown.

 

[redheadedgal]

Had she and Wagner fought and she wanted to go back to land, I surely wouldn't do it dressed the way she was; especially being an actress.

if she was on drugs or had been drinking, she wouldn't be in a clear headed state of mind.

 

[Jennifer17]

if she was on drugs or had been drinking, she wouldn't be in a clear headed state of mind.

And nor would he.

 

[redheadedgal]

Who said the cause of death was strangulation? She had sea foam in her lungs, not water. She was either unconscious or already dead when she was put into the water. And she had a full bladder.

1) autopsy: The sections of the lungs show abundant amount of watery fluid and froth. no mention of "sea foam".

2) signs of drowning: a) foam in air passages, together with watery fluid and debris b) larynx, trachea, bronchi and bonchioles may show presence of froth 3) water in lungs

3) if the victim is unconscious at the time of drowning, mere flooding of the lungs with water but no formation of froth

(Textbook of Forensic Medicine & Toxicology: Principles & Practice, 5th ed., 2011, p. 140-141)

 

[Jennifer17]

1) autopsy: The sections of the lungs show abundant amount of watery fluid and froth. no mention of "sea foam".

2) signs of drowning: a) foam in air passages, together with watery fluid and debris b) larynx, trachea, bronchi and bonchioles may show presence of froth 3) water in lungs

3) if the victim is unconscious at the time of drowning, mere flooding of the lungs with water but no formation of froth

(Textbook of Forensic Medicine & Toxicology: Principles & Practice, 5th ed., 2011, p. 140-141)

I am sure that she drowned, but what caused her to drown? She just fell off the boat an no one noticed?
Oh, were is Natalie. she must have fallen off the boat. Ooops.

 

[redheadedgal]

Or had her face punched in and thrown overboard to drown.

please quote the section of the autopsy report that mentions marks on her face / bruising of her face / broken facial bones indicative of being punched?

 

[redheadedgal]

I am sure that she drowned, but what caused her to drown? She just fell off the boat an no one noticed?
Oh, were is Natalie. she must have fallen off the boat. Ooops.

several theories about this are contained in this thread if you haven't read the whole thing.

 

[DeDee]

Hmmm. She was drunk with a .14% level of alcohol and had ingested cocaine, morphine and codeine as well. Her arms and legs had a whole bunch of old bruises - even on the BACKS of her calves and fresh bruises/abrasions on her face, arm, knee and ankle. The dingy had the key in the ignition on "off" and the oars were tied down.

So, she was drunk and drugged up in her nightgown and socks, got into the dingy for whatever reason, untied it from the boat and slipped overboard after banging herself up a bit. She probably got all the other bruises trying to move around in the boat as it was underway. I just do not see a big mystery here and I don't find it weird that a drunk would fall overboard and drown. JMHO

Wow, TeaTime. Thank you. I did not realize so many drugs were in her system. I suppose an AR is in the thread that I'll read soon.

How does the Natalie Wood type obtain cocaine? Drs prescribe morphine and codeine but not cocaine. I think of a spooky dark alley where drug deals are being made. While I cannot envision NW in a dark alley scoring drugs, Hollywood has to have a source somewhere.

 

[Really?]

Wow, TeaTime. Thank you. I did not realize so many drugs were in her system. I suppose an AR is in the thread that I'll read soon.

How does the Natalie Wood type obtain cocaine? Drs prescribe morphine and codeine but not cocaine. I think of a spooky dark alley where drug deals are being made. While I cannot envision NW in a dark alley scoring drugs, Hollywood has to have a source somewhere.

cocaine was rampant in California in the 80's when I was there,.......not hard to find and definitely no dark alley trip.