CA - Natalie Wood, 43, drowned off California coast, 29 Nov 1981

[oceanblueeyes]

That was the point I was trying to make. If TMZ says they said it, they said it. They are not going to open themselves up to a lawsuit for reporting something false. They never do. IMO

I really doubt anything will come of this. I would love to know what happened that night too. But I think too much time has passed. I don't think we will ever know.

The captain's timing is bizarre to me. He is hinky to me.

That's why I think this is a waste of time and resources.

I have never seen a DAs office sue the media for anything they may have opined. I think Harv knows the DAs office pays no mind to what is said on a Hollywood gossip sites.

IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I have never seen a DAs office sue the media for anything they may have opined. I think Harv knows the DAs office pays no mind to what is said on a Hollywood gossip sites.

IMO

So TMZ just made this up because they know the DA's office will not sue them???

GMAB

Ok :waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So TMZ just made this up because they know the DA's office will not sue them???

GMAB

Ok :waitasec:

I never said they made it up. But unlike you.......I don't trust them at all.

They named no names in the DAs "office". "Unnamed source":innocent: which could mean that Harv was chit chatting with the clerk or secretary and they just shook their head when he asked about the NW's case. Sites like Harv's are master spinners.

Even if the DAs office called Harv and said 'whats up?' 'who over here is leaking like a sieve?' ....he would tell them that he could not disclose his source even to them and would hide behind the shield law.

IMO

 

[eve]

I never said they made it up. But unlike you.......I don't trust them at all.

They named no names in the DAs "office". "Unnamed source":innocent: which could mean that Harv was chit chatting with the clerk or secretary and they just shook there head when he asked about the NW's case. Sites like Harv's are master spinners.

Even if the DAs office called Harv and said 'whats up?' 'who over here is leaking like a sieve?' ....he would tell them that he could not disclose his source even to them and would hide behind the shield law.

IMO

I am sure someone said it or something like it to TMZ and at this point it is nothing but an opinion of "someone" in that office (which is way different than a named source). The DA's office can reverse that unnamed source's opinion at any time with new evidence. I doubt that someone would have said it quite that way if their name had been attached to it.

Both LE and prosecutors have wide latitude. In what they do, what they reveal and even in the truth and veracity of what they put out there during investigations and/or interrogations.

So ya just never know til ya know.

Eve

 

[Plumeria5]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/natalie-wood-case-boat-captain-polygraph_n_1110324.html

Article about Davern's polygraph and videos I hadn't seen. Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

[BigMomma]

I'm not sure if this part was discussed yet, This was on a local (L.A. area)news program the other day but after NW had passed, the Capt. took up residence at RW home for approximately a year, give or take a couple of months, he also got into SAG=Screen Actors Guild and did work on Hart to Hart. By all accounts, one either has to have an established sponsor, such as RW would be, or had to have some tv/movie credits to his name where he was more than just an extra=muttered so many words in camera range, or was an advisor on set. I went and checked, it has been a very long time, but the Capt. is no longer a SAG member. I'm sure the LE can find this info very easily either by the studio where he was employed, or through SAG itself. Sounds frightening, but this is true, it does sound like maybe this Capt. was paid off to keep his mouth shut.

I agree with what 1 or 2 posters commented on up above somewhere-about the supposed 'relations' between RW and CW. That rumor was under the radar, but ran rampant in Hollywood almost immediately when the story broke and for years afterward.

Another ironic bit of information is NW and RW had a 50% share in some popular tv shows in the 70's, one of bigger ones was Charlie's Angels. Prior to NW death, there were a lot of demands to cancel the show. It was officially cancelled in 1981. A little coincidential, imo.

 

[Chewy]

It sound to me like the Captain was somewhat of a moocher ala Cedric on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. He got lucky and got in. He also identified NWs body at the coroner's office because RW was too overwhelmed to do it. So I guess RW felt he owed him something. Then when they fell apart he sucked into Lana Wood and she was pestering him for details from the night. Who knows maybe she plied him with alcohol and he started "remembering" things and then got stuck in his story.

Also the book written, I'm sure his friend Marti Rulli was trying to convince him that this would be a best seller etc.

It must be hard to give up the luster of Hollywood when you were so close to it all. Look at Cedric, he tried to blackmail Lisa by saying he'd sell lies to the press if she didn't pay him off.

This guy is a total loser. I can't believe people actually give him credibility.

 

[Cazzie]

I'm not sure if this part was discussed yet, This was on a local (L.A. area)news program the other day but after NW had passed, the Capt. took up residence at RW home for approximately a year, give or take a couple of months, he also got into SAG=Screen Actors Guild and did work on Hart to Hart. By all accounts, one either has to have an established sponsor, such as RW would be, or had to have some tv/movie credits to his name where he was more than just an extra=muttered so many words in camera range, or was an advisor on set. I went and checked, it has been a very long time, but the Capt. is no longer a SAG member. I'm sure the LE can find this info very easily either by the studio where he was employed, or through SAG itself. Sounds frightening, but this is true, it does sound like maybe this Capt. was paid off to keep his mouth shut.

I agree with what 1 or 2 posters commented on up above somewhere-about the supposed 'relations' between RW and CW. That rumor was under the radar, but ran rampant in Hollywood almost immediately when the story broke and for years afterward.

Another ironic bit of information is NW and RW had a 50% share in some popular tv shows in the 70's, one of bigger ones was Charlie's Angels. Prior to NW death, there were a lot of demands to cancel the show. It was officially cancelled in 1981. A little coincidential, imo.

All very interesting.

Call it intuition or whatever one likes. I always suspected RW in Natalie's death...and that's without knowing very many details at all...it just seemed obvious that something had happened that was being covered up. And he was her husband...supposed to love and protect her. KWIM? Yet it was hushed up so completely...accidental drowning, that's it, no investigation. "They" did a good job back then of sweeping everything under the rug, so to speak.

Just speculation, but maybe his supposed great love for Natalie (spoken of by supposed insiders) was a smokescreen...if so, I feel even worse for Natalie that I already did/do.

 

[Chewy]

All very interesting.

Call it intuition or whatever one likes. I always suspected RW in Natalie's death...and that's without knowing very many details at all...it just seemed obvious that something had happened that was being covered up. And he was her husband...supposed to love and protect her. KWIM? Yet it was hushed up so completely...accidental drowning, that's it, no investigation. "They" did a good job back then of sweeping everything under the rug, so to speak.

Just speculation, but maybe his supposed great love for Natalie (spoken of by supposed insiders) was a smokescreen...if so, I feel even worse for Natalie that I already did/do.

Right the only reason to cancel the show was that RW was trying to cover up something.

Not that a man lost the love of his life and shut down and was too overwhelmed to deal with his responsibilities.

Makes so much more sense.

 

[LinasK]

It sound to me like the Captain was somewhat of a moocher ala Cedric on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. He got lucky and got in. He also identified NWs body at the coroner's office because RW was too overwhelmed to do it. So I guess RW felt he owed him something. Then when they fell apart he sucked into Lana Wood and she was pestering him for details from the night. Who knows maybe she plied him with alcohol and he started "remembering" things and then got stuck in his story.

Also the book written, I'm sure his friend Marti Rulli was trying to convince him that this would be a best seller etc.

It must be hard to give up the luster of Hollywood when you were so close to it all. Look at Cedric, he tried to blackmail Lisa by saying he'd sell lies to the press if she didn't pay him off.

This guy is a total loser. I can't believe people actually give him credibility.

I think it's entirely possible that it's both, hard as that is to believe- I think he's beginning to tell the truth now (for whatever reason), and I think he has lousy credibility because of his past lies and helping Robert Wagner cover up, and I also think he is scared of Robert Wagner and that's why he wasn't more forthcoming in the interview clip I saw...

 

[BigMomma]

All very interesting.

Call it intuition or whatever one likes. I always suspected RW in Natalie's death...and that's without knowing very many details at all...it just seemed obvious that something had happened that was being covered up. And he was her husband...supposed to love and protect her. KWIM? Yet it was hushed up so completely...accidental drowning, that's it, no investigation. "They" did a good job back then of sweeping everything under the rug, so to speak.

Just speculation, but maybe his supposed great love for Natalie (spoken of by supposed insiders) was a smokescreen...if so, I feel even worse for Natalie that I already did/do.

Unfortunately, a lot of that went on in Hollywood back when. Stars had to be protected at any cost, they were the bankroll, they couldn't be caught with their pants down so to speak. Yes, I guess it would be pretty easy to cover up a drowning, but the events that happened prior, fueled a lot of rage; the drinking, drugs and having a young male on board without his wife didn't help matters either if one is thinking this was just a friendly outing between co-stars and a husband. Where was their child at the time? Why wasn't that child not allowed to go on this Thanksgiving weekend trip? This was nothing more than a party weekend trip, out of the Hollywood eye.

 

[kINGFISHER]

Big Momma ; Where was their child at the time? Why wasn't that child not allowed to go on this Thanksgiving weekend trip?

That is what I was thinking , a family time. CW was younger and by some of his pictures looked quite good looking at that time and maybe appealed to both sides. I thought that RW was taking it in his stride but apparently his wife is going crazy about it all.

 

[Chewy]

This thread reminds me of the Case of Ryan Ferguson and how so many people were willing to believe this drug addict loser's confession because it incriminated an innocent young man who was convicted. Common sense just went completely out the window, they simply believed the criminal in the case and used it to convict an innocent person.

Common sense tells me a liar, drunk and con artist is not someone whose word I'm going to trust just because it creates an answer to a mystery.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/16/48hours/main1322783.shtml



Ryan Ferguson is STILL IN JAIL even though the guy admits he lied about the whole thing. They say now they can't believe the guy's testimony because he lied. Ironic much.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2011/08/09/october-hearing-could-lead-new-trial-ferguson/

 

[RubyBlu]

Until this case was revisited recently, I didn't realize there were "rumors" about a possible "tryst" between RW and CW.

We all know that Hollywood back in the day, pretty much buried all the sleaze going on but nowadays they MARKET it! :razz:

Would this be considered an urban legend? or? ..Remember the story going around about Richard Gere and a gerbil? :innocent:

 

[pkz]

It has been stated that DD was bodyguard, confidante, captain and close family friend.
IMHO...calling DD a mooch and drunken/druggie liar is as bad as calling RW guilty.
The simple truth is, until someone comes clean and backs accusations with facts this investigation is going no where.

I read so much about "lavendar marriages" to cover for homosexuality back in the day that I will never be the same...lol....a good read about Henry Willson and his pretty boys includes RW.

 

[redheadedgal]

Not that a man lost the love of his life and shut down and was too overwhelmed to deal with his responsibilities.

... a liar, drunk and con artist is not someone whose word I'm going to trust

wouldn't anyone fight to save the love of their life instead of leaving them to drown? so why did RW dictate no search lights turned on? no call to coast guard?

one has to wonder about this.


about your take on davern-- from the NG show with lana wood friday night:

WOOD: Oh, Robert Wagner. Yes, his story changed. I don't understand why, you know, people are choosing to pick at Dennis, who is finally standing up and got the courage to say all this, when R.J.'s stories have changed constantly, from his interviews with the detective that came on board the Splendour -- that was one story, that Dennis told me when he got Chris and him together, that everybody was to tell the same story, and that was the story that was fabricated.

And then all of a sudden, many, many years later, when R.J. decided to write a book, all of a sudden, he did smash the wine bottle, whereas before, he told... the detective that it was probably broken due to high seas... it rolled off. Then there was the ridiculous, Oh, a bottle wine was left in the dinghy, and that's what she went after.

... why does everyone choose to take Dennis to task? Do we only believe people that are charismatic and big celebrities, and the rest of us, it's just kind of too bad? I mean, it hurts me. It hurts me that these stories are being told. I can't bear it for Natalie...


very interesting read... more @ link below

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/25/ng.01.html

 

[Kateyes]

I have a question re: CW. Is it known how he was on "The Splendour"? Who incited him? Was he a friend of RW or NW? If he was a friend of RW at that time, did he remain a friend of RW? Are they friends in the present? I am not saying any of this is significant of anything. Just curiosity that makes me ask. Thanks in advance.

 

[carole]

I have a question re: CW. Is it known how he was on "The Splendour"? Who incited him? Was he a friend of RW or NW? If he was a friend of RW at that time, did he remain a friend of RW? Are they friends in the present? I am not saying any of this is significant of anything. Just curiosity that makes me ask. Thanks in advance.

Walken and Wood were making a movie together, Brainstorm, and Wood invited him on the boat for the holiday weekend.

 

[Chewy]

wouldn't anyone fight to save the love of their life instead of leaving them to drown? so why did RW dictate no search lights turned on? no call to coast guard?

one has to wonder about this.


about your take on davern-- from the NG show with lana wood friday night:

WOOD: Oh, Robert Wagner. Yes, his story changed. I don't understand why, you know, people are choosing to pick at Dennis, who is finally standing up and got the courage to say all this, when R.J.'s stories have changed constantly, from his interviews with the detective that came on board the Splendour -- that was one story, that Dennis told me when he got Chris and him together, that everybody was to tell the same story, and that was the story that was fabricated.

And then all of a sudden, many, many years later, when R.J. decided to write a book, all of a sudden, he did smash the wine bottle, whereas before, he told... the detective that it was probably broken due to high seas... it rolled off. Then there was the ridiculous, Oh, a bottle wine was left in the dinghy, and that's what she went after.

... why does everyone choose to take Dennis to task? Do we only believe people that are charismatic and big celebrities, and the rest of us, it's just kind of too bad? I mean, it hurts me. It hurts me that these stories are being told. I can't bear it for Natalie...


very interesting read... more @ link below

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/25/ng.01.html

Anything Lana Wood says is baloney to me. A. SHE WASN'T THERE. B. Natasha Gregson Wagner wants nothing to do with her. C. Natalie Woods other sister thinks she's an opportunist who is milking the story to make money.

Also Lana Wood wasn't some bereaved sister. When they told her Natalie was dead she didn't react at all and went upstairs and washed her hair. She tried to explain her way out of it by writing a book that capitalized on her relationship with Natalie. She's not this concerned sister that she tries to make herself out to be.


As to why didn't RW turn the lights on, um we only have the Captains word that he didn't do anything to find her. And if RW thought she had taken the dingy and gone to shore, which the Captain confirmed then his behavior is that of a jilted lover.

He thought she was OK. Again if you look at the Captain's story it doesn't make any sense and the only person it incriminates is the captain.

Either way the Captain was remiss in his duty.

RW was allegedly drunk, on quaaludes (given to him by the captain which the captain fully admits to doing) and not in charge on the boat.

So how is it that if he's drunk and on drugs people expect him to be thinking clearly? CW was passed out. RW was plastered and thought she left him to go to shore. He was not thinking clearly.

However if the captain suspected foul play why didn't he slip off to the deck and call it in?

 

[Nore]

Until this case was revisited recently, I didn't realize there were "rumors" about a possible "tryst" between RW and CW.

We all know that Hollywood back in the day, pretty much buried all the sleaze going on but nowadays they MARKET it! :razz:

Would this be considered an urban legend? or? ..Remember the story going around about Richard Gere and a gerbil? :innocent:

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Hi, the rumor about Natalie and Christopher was rampant at the time she died.
That I believe is why Robert didnt go looking for her. I've been trying to think of the name of her 2nd husband. I cant place it for the life of me. I do know his last name started with a G..They dont mention the daughters much either.:seeya: