CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

[beatrixpotter]

The cops are still huddling trying to come up with their reasoning as to why this MURDER was justified. Does anyone really think if the shooter was anyone but a fellow cop, that he would be free to go about his business, and his identity kept secret? I'll be shocked if they actually charge him with anything. Exactly what provocation warrants spraying bullets in a crowded store against someone who was completely Unarmed? WHY IS THIS COP NOT IN JAIL??

Even if someone does shove you in the frozen foods section at Costco or even yell at you it's not a reason to shoot them and their family. It's true that NO ONE but a police officer could get away with shooting unarmed people like that. I don't understand why so many have so little respect for the lives of others that they think pissing off a police officer deserves the death penalty even in a Costco.

My guess? Some stupid argument over something stupid..the kind that normal people occasionally end up in with strangers...but a police officer gets ticked off enough to kill.

 

[Wagtales10]

Do we know what kind of attack on the officer happened yet? No we don't.

Did he get bumped? Did he get shoved? Did he get punched once? Did he get punched repeated until he was losing consciousness? Did he get choked? Did he get knocked to the ground and kicked in the head?

We don't know if was physically attacked at all. JMO

I was speaking in hypotheticals relating to the law and how I interpret it.
How I look at the proportionate force to a push, shove or punch is. It not being 6-7 shots. (especially if no one on your side has any injuries at all)

What happened, hopefully, will be clearer when the footage is reviewed.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I think he had his infant child with him, possibly carrying him/her and that might have contributed to him escalating so quickly.

 

[jjenny]

Do we know what kind of attack on the officer happened yet? No we don't.

Did he get bumped? Did he get shoved? Did he get punched once? Did he get punched repeated until he was losing consciousness? Did he get choked? Did he get knocked to the ground and kicked in the head?

We don't know if he was physically attacked at all. JMO

Well we can kind of make a guess that he wasn't severely punched or kicked since he reportedly only suffered minor injuries. His child whom he was reportedly holding suffered no injuries.

 

[Wagtales10]

Even if someone does shove you in the frozen foods section at Costco or even yell at you it's not a reason to shoot them and their family. It's true that NO ONE but a police officer could get away with shooting unarmed people like that. I don't understand why so many have so little respect for the lives of others that they think pissing off a police officer deserves the death penalty even in a Costco.

My guess? Some stupid argument over something stupid..the kind that normal people occasionally end up in with strangers...but a police officer gets ticked off enough to kill.

Probably, but remember, French was non-verbal, how can he argue.
His parents were an older couple. Not a deadly assassin force.
I wonder if how he looked was the threat, its the reason other cops have shot unarmed men before.

 

[jjenny]

I think he had his infant child with him, possibly carrying him/her and that might have contributed to him escalating so quickly.

I am sure there were other people with children in the store when he started firing multiple shots. Did he think of them?

 

[jjenny]

Probably, but remember, French was non-verbal, how can he argue.
His parents were an older couple. Not a deadly assassin force.
I wonder if how he looked was the threat, its the reason other cops have shot unarmed men before.

One of relatives claimed French was non-verbal but I am not so sure it's accurate, or that he couldn't talk at all. At some point he had to have been verbal, since was posting on social media and even studying at an University.

 

[Wagtales10]

I believe they said it was by the coolers, I hope there is cameras there. Stores I worked at before didnt have cameras in frozen areas because the lens would fog/freeze up.

 

[Wagtales10]

One of relatives claimed French was non-verbal but I am not so sure it's accurate, or that he couldn't talk at all. At some point he had to have been verbal, since was posting on social media and even studying at an University.

People deteriorate. It's a fact. Mental illness typically starts in the young adult years and gets worse as time goes on.

 

[mickey2942]

This is why I believe that there needs to be a federal law, regarding standard operating procedures for ALL officer involved shootings, when the officer is off duty.

1. Mandatory drug and alcohol blood test.
2. Pictures of all alleged injuries.
3. Arrest on record.

I can tell you right now, that if I shot anybody in Costco, I know that I would have been arrested. And my name, with picture, would have been released.

Society can't have separate rules, laws, procedures for citizens that are not followed for police officers. Slippery slope to a police state.

 

[jjenny]

People deteriorate. It's a fact. Mental illness typically starts in the young adult years and gets worse as time goes on.

What kind of mental illness could turn someone non verbal in their thirties? I find that very unusual.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I am sure there were other people with children in the store when he started firing multiple shots. Did he think of them?

This was not a defense of what he did but might be a contributing factor.

We'll have to wait for the video to be sure but I can't imagine what would justify what he did.

I don't think people with personalities who escalate/react like this are suited for police work.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well we can kind of make a guess that he wasn't severely punched or kicked since he reportedly only suffered minor injuries. His child whom he was reportedly holding suffered no injuries.

So he has to be severely injured before using lethal force? Sounds like he did a good job in protecting his kid if there was an assault.

Maybe he will be commended if that's the case. JMO

 

[Wagtales10]

What kind of mental illness could turn someone non verbal in their thirties? I find that very unusual.

Theres a plethora of info online that shows mutism can be something developed at many different ages

 

[Wagtales10]

This is why I believe that there needs to be a federal law, regarding standard operating procedures for ALL officer involved shootings, when the officer is off duty.

1. Mandatory drug and alcohol blood test.
2. Pictures of all alleged injuries.
3. Arrest on record.

I can tell you right now, that if I shot anybody in Costco, I know that I would have been arrested. And my name, with picture, would have been released.

Society can't have separate rules, laws, procedures for citizens that are not followed for police officers. Slippery slope to a police state.

I like this.
I'd also add that if a Body cam was turned off prior to shooting, Obstruction of justice should be added to charges.
Too many Body cams being turned off before shooting and other incidents.

 

[Wagtales10]

So he has to be severely injured before using lethal force? Sounds like he did a good job in protecting his kid if there was an assault.

Maybe he will be commended if that's the case. JMO

Those are some amazing mental gymnastics lol. IMO.
Law states he should have retreated and only give proportional force if required
I dont believe he did either.
Do you really think this guys parents who were also shot were piling onto of him and his child looking to kill before he shot all 3 of them.... yet no injuries to the kid and minimal if any to him?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

One of relatives claimed French was non-verbal but I am not so sure it's accurate, or that he couldn't talk at all. At some point he had to have been verbal, since was posting on social media and even studying at an University.

Maybe he was non verbal and the "argument" was between the officer and his parents.

Did French feel that his parents were in danger and took action against the officer because of a perceived threat to their safety? JMO

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

One of relatives claimed French was non-verbal but I am not so sure it's accurate, or that he couldn't talk at all. At some point he had to have been verbal, since was posting on social media and even studying at an University.

wait. I assumed someone else would have pointed this put already but there are a lot of non verbal people who post online and/or also attend university.

 

[jjenny]

wait. I assumed someone else would have pointed this put already but there are a lot of non verbal people who post online and/or also attend university.

The relative who claimed French was non verbal said French no longer spoke because his condition deteriorated recently. Which obviously implies that at some point he did speak.

 

[Wagtales10]

Maybe he was non verbal and the "argument" was between the officer and his parents.

Did French feel that his parents were in danger and took action against the officer because of a perceived threat to their safety? JMO

law says retreat and proportionate force. No shooting should have occurred. Especially in a public place.
I'd reevaluate if its proven he had a weapon, but they reported many times the only weapon was the cops gun.