Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #5

[Bbybluz]

You make total sense and I think if they were deceased and moved from the home the dogs wouldn’t pick up on the scent .
Moo

MOO But the dogs WOULD pick up the scent of in the CC home at all. They would also pick up the scent of being moved out of the home. A human doesn’t have to physically walk out of the house to be tracked. I have seen a bloodhound track along a busy hwy miles down the road following the scent of a kidnapped child traveling in a vehicle.

 

[PommyMommy]

FEB 4, 2021

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=322209282565092

 

[Bbybluz]

Or any toy/character they loved? Cars, trains, dinosaurs, insects, paw patrol, Mickey Mouse? Do they like cheeseburgers or nuggets from McDonalds? Strawberries or blueberries? Mac & cheese or pizza? Do they sleep with a nightlight or a favorite blanky? Do either of them suck their thumb or hate wearing hats? Are their brothers missing them? How well do they speak? Do they have silly nicknames for each other? Are they potty trained? We don’t know these things, but does anyone else know them well enough to speak about what each child is like? We don’t know anything about who Orsin is or who Orrin is.

FEB 3, 2021
Biological mother of Orrin and Orson West shares photos and memories of them, her family holds prayer service in Bakersfield | KGET 17
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We’ve searched several different places of possible grave sites,” said Chief of Police Jon Walker. “I think in the last week we’ve dug up a coyote, a dog, and three sheep.”

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“Not that we haven’t searched there already, we’re out on the lake in central park on boats looking again for people who give us tips that they’ve seen bodies in the lake,” Chief Walker said. “I don’t discourage those tips at all. Please send them in because we will go out if we can and do a followup when we do.”

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Ryan Dean – the biological mother of Orrin and Orson West – also came [to the vigil] to pray. She says she last saw her boys in 2018 around Christmas time. She told 17News about some memories she has with them. She says Orrin loves music and used to love taking pictures with her. But in recent visits, he didn’t want to be in photos. She says Orson would always climb on her, and he loves food. Whenever they played together, he would try to eat the toys shaped as food.

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Thank you for sharing this @PommyMommy ! I will also share another post with more photos. Please take notice everyone the ONLY ONE giving insight & photos about the boys is the BIO MOM. My heart goes out to her!! Thank you Ryan Dean for your continued help in giving us insight to your sons & your help in still searching for your boys!!
Perla Shaheen KGET

 

[Rachelj1]

MOO But the dogs WOULD pick up the scent of in the CC home at all. They would also pick up the scent of being moved out of the home. A human doesn’t have to physically walk out of the house to be tracked. I have seen a bloodhound track along a busy hwy miles down the road following the scent of a kidnapped child traveling in a vehicle.

Wow!I've definitely seen them track the exact footsteps from someone walking . I mean the exact same path! I didn't know that about a car? The dogs are amazing and they are normally pretty accurate!! The fact the chief said that the dogs didnt smell them at all outside ... tells me they didnt walk out of the home. I personally feel the last place they were alive was in Bakersfileld because I think they have been harmed.

MOO

 

[Rachelj1]

FEB 4, 2021

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=322209282565092

My heart goes out to the bio mom. It really does. Im sure she feel enormous guilt.

MOO

 

[susiQ]

Or any toy/character they loved? Cars, trains, dinosaurs, insects, paw patrol, Mickey Mouse? Do they like cheeseburgers or nuggets from McDonalds? Strawberries or blueberries? Mac & cheese or pizza? Do they sleep with a nightlight or a favorite blanky? Do either of them suck their thumb or hate wearing hats? Are their brothers missing them? How well do they speak? Do they have silly nicknames for each other? Are they potty trained? We don’t know these things, but does anyone else know them well enough to speak about what each child is like? We don’t know anything about who Orsin is or who Orrin is.

Yes!! ALL those questions! How sad is that, that NO ONE knows or has bothered to bring these little ones “to LIFE” for us? To make them REAL little guys with likes and dislikes. The AP haven’t bothered because these little ones had “NO life” in the true sense. Of course, JMHO.

 

[Bbybluz]

Yes!! ALL those questions! How sad is that, that NO ONE knows or has bothered to bring these little ones “to LIFE” for us? To make them REAL little guys with likes and dislikes. The AP haven’t bothered because these little ones had “NO life” in the true sense. Of course, JMHO.

But the Bio mom HAS been trying to tell their little story from the history she can provide. @PommyMommy & @Bbybluz (myself) have provided 2 recent articles above to prove this. I have a feeling IMHO that we will start hearing more about her boys in the days ahead. I LOVE seeing those adorable smiles of the boys she is sharing!!

 

[Bbybluz]

The bio aunt is talking with a youtuber. <modsnip pending link review>

Its against WS TOS to post any YT sites that are not approved by Tricia, Admin or Mod so please don’t do that.

I do believe we can discuss relatives if in connection to the boys if it is not in a negative lite & no victim bashing or shaming.

Let’s go to the TOS & reread ok when in doubt. Thank you for posting this, it’s a reminder for us all to take a refresher peek.

 

[Bbybluz]

Rules - Social Media - Facebook, Twitter, etc.

It’s OK to post this here isn’t it? It’s just very helpful to me to look back on so maybe others would like to as well?

 

[susiQ]

My heart goes out to the bio mom. It really does. Im sure she feel enormous guilt.

MOO

I have no doubt bio mom is in a great deal of pain, but........
She lost not one child but two to CPS. She may have loved them, but I dare say, not enough. Had she had her priorities straight 3 & 4 years ago, we would not be here today. Classic and Sincere would be alive and hopefully well. But, here we are I know that may sound harsh, given her pain, however, that is the reality of this sad, sad situation. A mother’s love needs to be a self-sacrificing love. I would have lost my mind had someone taken one of my baby boys from me. I would have done everything IMMEDIATELY to get that first one back and keep the next.

I think there’s a good possibility that CPS made a huge mistake with the placement and adoption with the AP’s. I’m sure that will eventually come out, but this sad story began long before that. JMVHO.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

If anyone has not seen this, I have saved nearly everything I can find. Mostly from MSM.
It's a Case Archive. Everything from beginning to end so I will updated as long as there is something reported.

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

 

[Rachelj1]

If anyone has not seen this, I have saved nearly everything I can find. Mostly from MSM.
It's a Case Archive. Everything from beginning to end so I will updated as long as there is something reported.

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

Thankyou so much!!

 

[MissMalowe]

Couldn't agree more with the above (SusiQ) post. The only true victims, IMO, in this situation are the boys; not the bio mom who had them removed from her care long ago or the adoptive parents who have, at the very least, failed to keep them safe, supervised, and not "missing" for a period of at least 2 weeks.

Bio mom can point fingers, cry and wipe her eyes (with no tears btw) and claim she "comes from a good background as you can see" (????) all she wants, but she failed those little boys as well.

Providing old pics and telling about what the boys USED to be like LONG ago when she last saw them warrants no back pats from me.

Who actually deeply loved and responsibly cared for Orrin and Orson? Did anyone? Ever? It makes my heart hurt.

Edited to add: IMO, MOO, all my opinion only of course

 

[Rachelj1]

Couldn't agree more with the above (SusiQ) post. The only true victims, IMO, in this situation are the boys; not the bio mom who had them removed from her care long ago or the adoptive parents who have, at the very least, failed to keep them safe, supervised, and not "missing" for a period of at least 2 weeks.

Bio mom can point fingers, cry and wipe her eyes (with no tears btw) and claim she "comes from a good background as you can see" (????) all she wants, but she failed those little boys as well.

Providing old pics and telling about what the boys USED to be like LONG ago when she last saw them warrants no back pats from me.

Who actually deeply loved and responsibly cared for Orrin and Orson? Did anyone? Ever? It makes my heart hurt.

Edited to add: IMO, MOO, all my opinion only of course

She just seems more sincere currently than than the adoptive parents. The past is the past , what matters now is the boys. MOO

 

[mishbloom]

I don't usually comment, but this keeps coming up and back around every couple of pages, so here's my opinion for what its worth:

Chief Walker and CCPD are focused on the house (and surrounding area) because that's HIS main target. As he's said repeatedly, that's where the boys "went missing", and his job is to find out why/how/who/whatever. In view of the fact that they've turned up practically nothing (as we have been told...or maybe there is more and he's not saying, which is his choice), now I think he is making d**m good and sure they have an airtight case for them never being there at all IF they are found elsewhere. No scent trail, nothing of them at the house, etc. If it ever gets to court, he can say, we did all but tear that place to the ground. They weren't there, and we have no clear path out the back gate.

Pointless from us looking in? Maybe. But its hard evidence of where they aren't. We know they definitely weren't buried in the backyard. That's more than has been shown in other cases, right?

I can't imagine they aren't checking out the Bakersfield apartment, etc. But that's BPD's jurisdiction, so the onus is on them to do due diligence checking things out from their end. It would be lovely to have more info from the Chief from that end of things, but again that's his decision as to what he feels can be released.

All of this is JMHO. The chief seems like a good guy, and I sincerely hope this comes to a good resolution for all of us who care about the boys. At the very least I hope they can find them and bring them home...even if they are no longer with us.

 

[tatertot]

I found the post upthread stating the bio Mom said one of the boys would always try to eat toys shaped as food very sad. Clearly a hungry child, or attempting to self sooth maybe due to teething, etc.

RSBM

I found her account of the boys sad as well, but only because it told us what they were like as little ones. IMHO, there was nothing "wrong" there; she was just describing spending time with them. RD said her last visit with the boys was around December 2018, with "visit" implying they weren't living with her then; maybe these were supervised visits. If the boys were being monitored by a child services agency and the visits supervised, she would have had been working with them to make sure both boys were adequately nourished. I'd guess Orson's attempts to eat play food were nothing more than normal baby play and teething efforts for a baby approaching 18 months at the time. My 11-month-old son gets all the nursing, baby food and table food he wants (healthful stuff, of course) and he's still been in the "everything in the mouth" stage for months now.

 

[Rachelj1]

I tell you what, if TW and JW know where the boys are , they are ruining any chances they may have of sympathy from any judge . They are dragging this out way too long. No one is going to give up ... I don’t think they realized how much attention this case would get . I still don’t think they knew about the neighbors security cameras either !
Moo

 

[susiQ]

If anyone has not seen this, I have saved nearly everything I can find. Mostly from MSM.
It's a Case Archive. Everything from beginning to end so I will updated as long as there is something reported.

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

Thank you Amanda for this labour of love!

 

[MissMalowe]

Has there been any mention of the date of Dec 21st having any significance (family gathering for the holidays beginning the 22nd perhaps?) Realize that it was mentioned in a previous thread about only one piece of green sidewalk chalk and no visible doodles/artwork/scribbles on the back patio, was there mention of evidence of Christmas gift wrapping going on inside? Any gifts specific to/labeled for Orrin or Orsen being mentioned?

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you for sharing this @PommyMommy ! I will also share another post with more photos. Please take notice everyone the ONLY ONE giving insight & photos about the boys is the BIO MOM. My heart goes out to her!! Thank you Ryan Dean for your continued help in giving us insight to your sons & your help in still searching for your boys!!
Perla Shaheen KGET

That's true but I think what people are saying is that they would like to know more about the boys from the parents who raised them or others who knew them or saw them on a regular basis.

They are more likely to know the boy's habits, their favorite activities, what games they like to play, who in their family they are close to, what their relationship is like with each other, whether or not they are shy, sociable, talkative, what music or shows they enjoy, their favorite food, etc.

Those are the things that would have helped paint a picture of what the boys are like and to help humanize them.

Imo