Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #6 *both parents arrested/charged*

[LeBlack]

I hope DNA is given. Sometimes there is mistrust.

It says the father gave dna. Even if the father would not, there are other bio relatives involved in finding these boys.

 

[Jo in Calif]

It says the father gave dna. Even if the father would not, there are other bio relatives involved in finding these boys.

Like the Mother, we know for a fact that her DNA would match. Not sure if he is the bio dad to both boys.

 

[fidgeypie]

Like the Mother, we know for a fact that her DNA would match. Not sure if he is the bio dad to both boys.

CP is the youngest ones dad.

 

[Jo in Calif]

You can read the full lawsuit. CP claiming to be father to both boys.

That suit alleges the county was negligent to take the boys from their birth parents — Pettus and his mother, Brenda — and place them in the custody of the West family, which adopted the boys and had custody when they disappeared.

Pettus lawsuit against Cal CityFull lawsuit here
The suit also alleges wrongful death.

https://www.kget.com/missing-cal-ci...ZVEFk_TIT5gie3wINvJCXPfPVSHuXxTTWqDlvGq5I3uwM

 

[Knox]

Wait a minute!! Remains were found near California City in early November? Wouldn't BPD know by now if the remains were one of the boys? Is this a red herring as part of the law suit? I'm confused.

Is the attorney just using the dna ask to inflate the lawsuit? CP is not the Father of both boys. But the attorney glossed over that in the video interview?

 

[Knox]

Attorney's allege the West's took in the boy's for financial reasons and they are responsible for their disappearance.

See video -https://www.kget.com/missing-cal-city-boys/a-family-takes-action/?fbclid=IwAR3IZ0uZLFo6qeZVEFk_TIT5gie3wINvJCXPfPVSHuXxTTWqDlvGq5I3uwM

 

[Knox]

Like the Mother, we know for a fact that her DNA would match. Not sure if he is the bio dad to both boys.

Charles Pettus is the biological father to classic, later named Orson West, but he’s reflecting on a moment with Cincere, later named Orrin. While orrin wasn’t his biological son, he was part of the family.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/biological-family-reflects-on-west-boys

 

[mickey2942]

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) – As the biological family of brothers Orson and Orrin West mark a year since their sons’ disappearance, frustration and worn patience are fueling action by the Pettus family.

“Somebody knows what’s going on,” said Charles Pettus, the biological father of the boys. “If you did something, let people know because you’re hurting people’s kids. You’re taking family away from family, these were babies.”

Attorneys Antonio Castillo and Darren Richie are part of a Beverly Hills law firm representing the Pettus family in a suit against Kern County.

Kern Child Protective Services took the boys from their biological parents and placed them with Jacqueline and Trezell West.

That suit alleges the county was negligent to take the boys from their birth parents — Pettus and his mother, Brenda — and place them in the custody of the West family, which adopted the boys and had custody when they disappeared.

Missing Cal City boys family files lawsuit against county

I think that is an excellent start to unraveling how the Wests ended up with these children. The Civil lawsuit may be a starting point for the criminal lawsuit, if and when that ever happens.

 

[Laughing]

Charles Pettus is the biological father to classic, later named Orson West, but he’s reflecting on a moment with Cincere, later named Orrin. While orrin wasn’t his biological son, he was part of the family.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/biological-family-reflects-on-west-boys

“If you’ve been following the case and you saw the pictures, you’d see they were happier at home than they were with them,” Hoard said. “And if they loved them, still to this day, could we get one updated picture? Something that’s going to show what they looked like when they had them? That’s all.”

Yup, BBM could we get one updated picture???

“I still got them. They should know that I still love them, and will always have their backs, regardless of the fact,” Pettus said. “Those are my kids. That’s something you will miss in life that you will never get back.”

Another Christmas for all 6 boys....

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[distracted]

Wait a minute!! Remains were found near California City in early November? Wouldn't BPD know by now if the remains were one of the boys? Is this a red herring as part of the law suit? I'm confused.

Is the attorney just using the dna ask to inflate the lawsuit? CP is not the Father of both boys. But the attorney glossed over that in the video interview?

It took eight months to get the results from Quantico in Lindsey Baum's case. Sometimes it takes longer than we would like to identify remains and determine a cause of death.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

We don't have a reason to believe unidentified remains were actually found in November, correct?

 

[Knox]

It took eight months to get the results from Quantico in Lindsey Baum's case. Sometimes it takes longer than we would like to identify remains and determine a cause of death.

IMO the reason it took 8 months to get the results in Lindsey's case- no one suspected the fragments found were her. It took everyone by surprise when the results came back. That's very different than what we are looking at here. I feel results in this scenario will be fast tracked. MOO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

So here we are a year later and two little boys missing...and where are the adoptive parents? I haven't been following closely for the past few months. Have they been on T.V. making pleas, in the police station constantly working on leads? What about organized searches to keep searching for clues?

Or, are they hunkered down and silent?
How are they supporting themselves, are they working? Do they still have that house in Cal. City?

So many questions. Thanks to any of you who might be more up to speed than I am. I can't help ask...are they dead, sold, given away? Why were they adopted in the first place? What was the reason?

Everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise. I'm just asking questions.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Knox]

 

[cvaldez1975]

So here we are a year later and two little boys missing...and where are the adoptive parents? I haven't been following closely for the past few months. Have they been on T.V. making pleas, in the police station constantly working on leads? What about organized searches to keep searching for clues?

Or, are they hunkered down and silent?
How are they supporting themselves, are they working? Do they still have that house in Cal. City?

So many questions. Thanks to any of you who might be more up to speed than I am. I can't help ask...are they dead, sold, given away? Why were they adopted in the first place? What was the reason?

Everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise. I'm just asking questions.

Amateur opinion and speculation

the adoptive parents are out of view making no statement apparently their kids bio and adopted remain in CPS custody as well. they have not been named POI.

 

[nyvictoria]

the adoptive parents are out of view making no statement apparently their kids bio and adopted remain in CPS custody as well. they have not been named POI.

One year and crickets…

They hadn’t even made a pretense of caring about the children they adopted. IMO they probably figure they lost the other children they adopted so why bother? They don’t need to impress CPS to keep the money train going any more.

Happy Holidays to all here! It’s heartbreaking to know that Orson and Orrin won’t be celebrating.

 

[Beans]

I have a horrible feeling this was always the way it was planned to go with these two boys. They were never staying long-term and that’s why there’s no pics (they wouldn’t want them being too easily recognised) and probably also why LE seem to be finding it hard to trace witnesses and background info. I think considerable effort went into isolating themselves so that it was never completely clear how many kids they had and nobody really got to know them or learn much about their lives.

I think there’s a chance they may well be alive though, and wherever they are I hope to god they’re living happy little lives. And yes I realise I’m grasping at straws there but it’s easier to settle with that than any of the alternatives.

 

[Knox]

One year and crickets…

They hadn’t even made a pretense of caring about the children they adopted. IMO they probably figure they lost the other children they adopted so why bother? They don’t need to impress CPS to keep the money train going any more.

Happy Holidays to all here! It’s heartbreaking to know that Orson and Orrin won’t be celebrating.

Happy Holidays to you too!!

 

[mickey2942]

I am interested in the CPS records. There had to be documented visits with the foster children in the home. And the transition specialists for the two boys. Even during the pandemic, CPS workers were doing "Facetime" visits with families and children. With direct visits if needed.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have a horrible feeling this was always the way it was planned to go with these two boys. They were never staying long-term and that’s why there’s no pics (they wouldn’t want them being too easily recognised) and probably also why LE seem to be finding it hard to trace witnesses and background info. I think considerable effort went into isolating themselves so that it was never completely clear how many kids they had and nobody really got to know them or learn much about their lives.

I think there’s a chance they may well be alive though, and wherever they are I hope to god they’re living happy little lives. And yes I realise I’m grasping at straws there but it’s easier to settle with that than any of the alternatives.

Yes, I agree it’s hard not to speculate that these boys were procured with a special purpose, transaction in mind. God in heaven I pray I’m wrong.

Amateur opinion and speculation