GUILTY CA - Oscar Jimenez, 6, beaten to death, San Jose, 18 Feb 2007

[calidreamin]

it is not surprising that she tried to save her own skin. couey tried to save himself and it did not make me less sick. evil people always worry about themselves first and not innocent victims. the fact she did what you would expect from a mom that would watch her child be killed then help the killer while she continues to sleep with him does not make a difference in my feeling she should be charged the same as her boyfriend. if anything it only increases my feeling in the matter.

I agree with you Sheri, evil people always try and escape punishment for their crimes.

 

[calidreamin]

I don't understand how she didn't die trying to stop him. HOWEVER, due to the fact you can get the same sentence as the actual bad guy, I can TOTALLY see why she would wait for immunity before speaking out.

She's lost her child - but in some states she could lose her LIFE if she spoke up.

You can't have it both ways: Expecting people to tell what they know when they know it, AND expecting "accomplices" to be charged the same as murdered.


For ME, my child IS my life - so I'd have died right along with her - but for everyone else... it makes total sense to me to not tell until you are safe
from the laws.

Glitch we will just have to agree to disagree on this:blowkiss: . This woman watched her son be brutaly murdered and helped bury him. Then she tells what she knows only after immunity, that speaks volumes to me. Not only did she fail to protect him but she turns around and does a pretty good job of protecting herself from the law.

 

[Amraann]

She just stood there and watched????
There is not a man alive who won't go down with a good swift kick to the jewels or even better a grab,twist and pull.

Once he is down crying take a frying pan, chair ...whatever to his lacking brain.
I just do not understand NOT defending yourself and more important your child.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Glitch we will just have to agree to disagree on this:blowkiss: . This woman watched her son be brutaly murdered and helped bury him. Then she tells what she knows only after immunity, that speaks volumes to me. Not only did she fail to protect him but she turns around and does a pretty good job of protecting herself from the law.

I'm confused at what we're disagreeing on. I'm thinking letting your kid get killed is WAAAAAAY harder to understand than trying to get away with it.

 

[calidreamin]

I'm confused at what we're disagreeing on. I'm thinking letting your kid get killed is WAAAAAAY harder to understand than trying to get away with it.

What I mean is I just can't understand her getting immunity before she tells what happend to her little boy. It seems to me like she is saying she couldn't protect him but she did a good job of protecting herself from the law. That just doesn't add up to me.

 

[GlitchWizard]

What I mean is I just can't understand her getting immunity before she tells what happend to her little boy. It seems to me like she is saying she couldn't protect him but she did a good job of protecting herself from the law. That just doesn't add up to me.

Perhaps she didn't have motivation to protect him. If it were one of us, we'd have more motive to protect him than ourselves. Others (like her) are more selfish and concerned for their own safety before anyone else's.

I would like to know details about what happened directly after he said "Say goodbye to your son". Did she get knocked out trying to defend him, or did she snidely remark "goodbye" to him. Might be interesting to note.

 

[SewingDeb]

Are these weak a$$ women magnets for abusive men? Why don't we hear stories of women who kicked a$$ when their children are being abused in the news? Maybe stories like those will give the weaker ones courage. My God, she helped him bury her own child's body and said nothing!!!

My ex threatened to "slam the sh*t" out of my oldest son when he was 8. The meat cleaver just missed his head and landed in the wall. I was ready with a butcher knife next. :crazy: He didn't come home for 3 days.

Yes they are magnets for abusive men. An abusive man can spot a weak woman across a crowded room just from her body language. She will usually be one who grew up in an abusive household and has little self confidence. He feels like the big man with her...usually because he has little self confidence himself but needs to control others to feel like he is something wonderful.

It's still no excuse for helping him bury her child and covering up for him. I just don't understand anyone doing that.

Throwing the meat cleaver was the best thing you could have done...lol.

 

[SewingDeb]

What I mean is I just can't understand her getting immunity before she tells what happend to her little boy. It seems to me like she is saying she couldn't protect him but she did a good job of protecting herself from the law. That just doesn't add up to me.

Maybe she got legal advice when she decided she couldn't live with herself anymore?

 

[calidreamin]

Perhaps she didn't have motivation to protect him. If it were one of us, we'd have more motive to protect him than ourselves. Others (like her) are more selfish and concerned for their own safety before anyone else's.

I would like to know details about what happened directly after he said "Say goodbye to your son". Did she get knocked out trying to defend him, or did she snidely remark "goodbye" to him. Might be interesting to note.

Good point Glitch and I also would like to know what happend after he said that to her, it would be interesting to note. Perhaps she didn't have motivation to protect him and I think that is probably the hardest thing for me to understand. If someone was hurting my son I would kill him or die trying.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Good point Glitch and I also would like to know what happend after he said that to her, it would be interesting to note. Perhaps she didn't have motivation to protect him and I think that is probably the hardest thing for me to understand. If someone was hurting my son I would kill him or die trying.

My aunt has mentally ill traits. After years of trying to figure out her motivations for things, I finally came to the conclusion that I'd never be able to put a rational explanation on irrational behavior. That is probably how I have to view any mother who does not die protecting her child. Especially if it's the ONLY child - so she's not distracted by thoughts of being there for the other ones.

 

[2sisters]

These wonen and their damn boyfriends. i can not understand how a mother can let just anyone move in with them and the kids and allow this garbage to go on. At this point, if I end up single just won't date. it is our jobs as parents to defend and protect our kids at all costs. People like this should never be allowed to have kids.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If someone was hurting my son I would kill him or die trying.

Thank God someone just said that~!!!! We were having the yearly talk with our kids about "fire safety" the other night and my 14-year old son remarked that he wouldn't leave the house without us. I told him that moms and dads don't leave the house without the kids, but kids MUST leave the house BECAUSE of that. I told him if I know they are safe I would leave the house, but not before. My way of thinking is either all of us or none of us. There's no way on God's green earth any is going to hurt one of my kids without leaving a very big part of himself laying on the ground. There's gonna be a fight. How mothers can even entrust their children to men they hardly even know is troubling to me. That they can or would allow them to beat and/or go through with murdering them (with their assistance) blows my mind.

 

[2sisters]

Thank God someone just said that~!!!! We were having the yearly talk with our kids about "fire safety" the other night and my 14-year old son remarked that he wouldn't leave the house without us. I told him that moms and dads don't leave the house without the kids, but kids MUST leave the house BECAUSE of that. I told him if I know they are safe I would leave the house, but not before. My way of thinking is either all of us or none of us. There's no way on God's green earth any is going to hurt one of my kids without leaving a very big part of himself laying on the ground. There's gonna be a fight. How mothers can even entrust their children to men they hardly even know is troubling to me. That they can or would allow them to beat and/or go through with murdering them (with their assistance) blows my mind.

i would burn alive, be torn limb fro limb ANYTHING to prtect my kids. 99% of parents i think would agree. Any one who EVER touches my kids abusivley will certainly be sorry.

 

[AmandaBrown23]

No way in hell would I let someone kill my child while I watched! He had better just go ahead and kill me too because I would do anything I could to save my kid.

 

[calidreamin]

That is exactly how I feel there is just no way someone is going to hurt my children. The fight to the death would be on and I am not even a violent person. I just don't understand how any mother could stand there while someone beats your son to death. Then to help bury them is beyond sick. Then not to tell anyone untill the poor childs father had the police on her does she finally admit what happend, after immunity of course. God I could go on and on. I just can't believe how these mothers put their dirt bag boyfriends over their own flesh and blood children. Sic sick sick.:doh:

 

[Columbo]

These wonen and their damn boyfriends. i can not understand how a mother can let just anyone move in with them and the kids and allow this garbage to go on. At this point, if I end up single just won't date. it is our jobs as parents to defend and protect our kids at all costs. People like this should never be allowed to have kids.

YES !! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[txsvicki]

Six year olds is such a sweet little age with starting school and beginning to learn lots more and to be happy and play. How any woman could allow a man who had to of shown violence beforehand around her child is very guilty in my opinion. I just hope that this freaks one year old hasn't been physically or mentally damaged by being around this type thing. That sort of man would have never even been in my presence much around my kids. If one had hurt my children, they would now be pushing up daisies.

 

[imthemom]

These wonen and their damn boyfriends. i can not understand how a mother can let just anyone move in with them and the kids and allow this garbage to go on. At this point, if I end up single just won't date. it is our jobs as parents to defend and protect our kids at all costs. People like this should never be allowed to have kids.

My feelings exactly. I would never allow men around my children. I might date but they would never be moving in and never would they be meeting my children.

 

[JanetElaine]

Okay, while I do understand the sentiments, please people, don't go into other extremes. Yes, when you're a single parent you should be careful when you are dating, and your children should always come first. But there is a whole world of difference between being a responsible adult in this and letting the first Joe or Jane Homey move in after the second date and have him/her watch your kids while you're working one, two or three jobs. There are many, many more single parents who (eventually) date (again) and end up forming lovely new families than the freaks we read about on here. Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Okay, while I do understand the sentiments, please people, don't go into other extremes. Yes, when you're a single parent you should be careful when you are dating, and your children should always come first. But there is a whole world of difference between being a responsible adult in this and letting the first Joe or Jane Homey move in after the second date and have him/her watch your kids while you're working one, two or three jobs. There are many, many more single parents who (eventually) date (again) and end up forming lovely new families than the freaks we read about on here. Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I'm in agreement. I don't believe that single parents should introduce their children to anyone they're simply dating. However, if they've been in a long-term relationship and honestly KNOW the person, then having them meet the child is fine.