CA CA - Pamela Lambson, 19, San Francisco, 9 Oct 1977

[norest4thewicked]

Police have stated that although they know that Alcala was the person who killed Pamela Jean Lambson in 1977 in San Francisco, they have closed the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20040654-504083.html

This is most likely the reason that LE is not all that excited about the photos coming out. I think that other states might be interested, but California already has him and is a state in financial crisis. I hate it, but that seems to be a viable reason for their silence on this.

How sad for Pamela's family. I imagine that we are going to have case after case come out now. She was NOT in the photos released, according to the article.

 

[Redbird]

As far as we know from the information released, they have not identified any of the women in the pictures as being one of his victims. I am starting to wonder if he destroyed any pictures of women he actually killed. Or kept them in a separate place.

 

[norest4thewicked]

For some reason...I am almost positive that I read somewhere that there had been some recognized who had been missing for years, but I don't know for sure where I read it or if I just imagined it. ?????

 

[Bargle]

For some reason...I am almost positive that I read somewhere that there had been some recognized who had been missing for years, but I don't know for sure where I read it or if I just imagined it. ?????

No, you didn't imagine it, I saw it as well, but they haven't said which ones were identified as missing.

 

[Redbird]

I think they said that in the beginning and then it seems like they backed off saying anything more.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think they said that in the beginning and then it seems like they backed off saying anything more.

Probably because they don't want anymore cases. I understand the financial impact of this, but it just makes me so sad that there is no justice for some.:maddening:

 

[plait]

This case and the laying of charges in the Hover & Crilly case tells me that LE is actively working on this case. I have never met these people in the pics but I'm tormented that I could be looking at their last moments, and want them to be found alive. I'm sure the dectective that see the worst of the worse of RA pics are not going to let it rest. I think at some point they will reveal what they have found. Maybe they are waiting on forensic, dental ID, reverse DNA etc.

 

[norest4thewicked]

This case and the laying of charges in the Hover & Crilly case tells me that LE is actively working on this case. I have never met these people in the pics but I'm tormented that I could be looking at their last moments, and want them to be found alive. I'm sure the dectective that see the worst of the worse of RA pics are not going to let it rest. I think at some point they will reveal what they have found. Maybe they are waiting on forensic, dental ID, reverse DNA etc.

Oh, I agree that LE in OTHER states besides California might still be working hard on it. I don't know how much CA is working on it due to the fact that they already have him on the death penalty and the state of CA is almost sunk. I think other states might be chewing at the bit to get him.

 

[Redbird]

Pamela's mother said she already has "closure". Maybe others will feel the same, knowing the monster will never be free, and if he doesn't die of natural causes, will be put to death eventually. Probably some would be relieved they don't have to relive everything with another trial.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I agree. Many would not be strong enough to face that.

 

[WildHuncher]

So he killed a Lambson and a Lamb. That may have been good for a cold-blooded chuckle, if he noticed.

 

[Bewitchingstorm]

Probably because they don't want anymore cases. I understand the financial impact of this, but it just makes me so sad that there is no justice for some.:maddening:

I think that is what bothers me most about this. It does appear that LE here in California released the photographs last year in an attempt to see if there were any other victims. However, they simply do not have the manpower nor the funds to fully investigate whether or not there are more victims of Alcala. I actually don't think they realized how many people would be interested and still pressing on to identify other potential victims. Thank goodness for inquiring minds and for the advent of the Internet. :woohoo:

I read somewhere (not sure where now???) that he is a suspect in murders on the East coast, but LE there are not going to pursue charges since he is now sitting on death row at San Quentin.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think that is what bothers me most about this. It does appear that LE here in California released the photographs last year in an attempt to see if there were any other victims. However, they simply do not have the manpower nor the funds to fully investigate whether or not there are more victims of Alcala. I actually don't think they realized how many people would be interested and still pressing on to identify other potential victims. Thank goodness for inquiring minds and for the advent of the Internet. :woohoo:

I read somewhere (not sure where now???) that he is a suspect in murders on the East coast, but LE there are not going to pursue charges since he is now sitting on death row at San Quentin.

He has been charged with 2 other murders in New York. I just heard that they closed the case on Pamela Lambson because they didn't have the evidence. They said that although they are positive that Alcala was the killer, the DNA is too disintegrated to bring charges. Also, I read that her family just doesn't want to go through the trial, etc. After all, like you said, he's already on death row.

I believe there are dozens (if not more) that we will find out about. It will depend on the state whether or not they want to pursue it.

 

[norest4thewicked]

The original article on Lambson:

http://www.stevehodel.com/evidenceroom/?m=201103

 

[PricklyPear]

I wonder if there's a strong reason they believe this was Alcala and not Joseph Naso, who killed other women in the area and had a "girl on Mt Tam" on his kill list? Nasi also lured women by acting as a photographer, and bludgeoned and strangled them. Did the man Pamela was seen with look like Alcala, or was the business card one of his known aliases? I thought he'd been connected by DNA to this case, I didn't realize it was all circumstantial.

 

[Mountain Mama]

I heard about Pamela Lambson on the William Richard Bradford (photographer) websleuths boards. Wondering why investigators were apparently convinced Alcala was responsible.

 

[Passeridae]

I wonder if there's a strong reason they believe this was Alcala and not Joseph Naso, who killed other women in the area and had a "girl on Mt Tam" on his kill list? Nasi also lured women by acting as a photographer, and bludgeoned and strangled them. Did the man Pamela was seen with look like Alcala, or was the business card one of his known aliases? I thought he'd been connected by DNA to this case, I didn't realize it was all circumstantial.

Wow, so weird to see this comment from my old lost account here, give what I am here to post. I wondered this because Naso was a freelance photographer who lured at least one of his surviving victims by pretending to have a modeling job for her ( I-TEAM EXCLUSIVE: Former model recounts bizarre photo shoot with accused serial killer Joseph Naso | ABC7 Los Angeles | abc7.com )

New details have come out about Joseph Naso, and at least one inmate who did time near him on death row says that he claimed to be the killer of Pamela Lambson. There's an Oxygen documentary coming out in a couple weeks that should have more details.

She could have been girl #4 on his list of victims, "Girl on Mt. Tam," although Bill Noguera (the former neighboring inmate) claims Naso also took credit for a second woman found there.

From the story:

Noguera, who spent more than a decade near Naso on San Quentin's death row, said the killer kept a "Greatest Hits" list and described in detail how he lured and posed some victims. "He gave me a lot of little details that matched," Noguera said, adding that Naso admitted to killing Pamela Lambson, a 19-year-old whose 1977 murder on Mount Tamalpais was long attributed to Rodney Alcala, known as "The Dating Game Killer."

According to Noguera, Naso tricked Lambson by posing as a photographer for the Oakland A's, arranging to meet her at Fisherman's Wharf before driving her to Mount Tam, where her body was later discovered.

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But the allegation that Naso killed Lambson directly conflicts with prior findings.

In 2011, Marin County authorities announced they were confident Alcala was responsible for her death. Alcala, who died in prison in 2021, denied the killing even as he admitted to others. Investigators at the time pointed to his history of posing as a professional photographer to lure women.

Yet Noguera's testimony has raised doubts.

Cold-case detective Ken Mains, who has collaborated with Noguera, said Lambson's family always questioned whether Alcala was the true killer. Lambson's brother Michael recalled that she reassured him before meeting the photographer by saying, "He could be my dad." Mains noted that Naso, then in his 40s, would have appeared closer in age to her father, unlike the younger Alcala.

Alphabet Serial Killer May Be Linked to More Murders

Convicted "Alphabet Killer" Joseph Naso may have slain far more than four women, raising new questions for families and police.

www.newsweek.com

SFist has published a slightly more detailed account of what he supposedly told Noguera (including how he posed her): Convicted Serial Killer Joseph Naso Confesses to 26 Murders in New Documentary

Of course, he could have lied, but I always thought that he made more sense than Alcala in this case, although I would hope Marin County has some more solid evidence linking Alcala if they closed the case.

 

[Passeridae]

Vanity Fair has an excellent two-part interview with Noguera talking about how he gained Naso's trust. According to Noguera in this piece:

Noguera says that Naso revealed that one of his murders was incorrectly pinned on a fellow San Quentin inmate, Dating Game Killer Alcala, whom Naso despised because Alcala was identified as a “professional” photographer in media reports. “That -really bothered him,” recalls -Noguera. “So he often talked about how ‘they got him for one of mine.’ ”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/death-row-murderer-exposed-serial-killer-case-part-1

The quote above is from the second part of the story.