CA CA - Phuong Le, 24, Fairfield, 25 April 2010 - #1

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  • #401
The article you linked to a couple of pages back appears to have been edited a bit.

It has been edited!

Yesterday:

The search for missing nursing student, Bichpuong "Phuong" Le, centered around the Postal Express in Suisuin City on Saturday.

Investigators served a search warrant on the business and had questioned the owner of the shop, where Phuong Le used to work. Sources close to the case tell FOX40 that Phuong Le may have had a romantic relationship with Thuck Nguyen, the owner of the Postal Express. Nguyen tells FOX40 that investigators told his wife that he may have impregnated Phuong Le, a charge Nguyen denies. Nguyen also tells FOX40 that he spoke with Le briefly by cell phone the night she was last seen, but says he had nothing to do with her disappearance.


http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-missingwomansearch,0,5567715.story

all I can say is OMG


Now:

Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day. He didn't want to talk on camera.

Cops also searched his Rancho Solano home, seizing computers from there and the postal place.

But Nguyen emphatically said he had nothing to do with her disappearance, and broke down in tears several times as he told us that they were friends and that she confided in him for the past three years.

In fact, the night she went missing from Barnes and Noble, he said she called him around 6 o'clock that night upset, talking about her sister's newly opened hair salon and how business was slow.

Nguyen told us his life has been a wreck since the search and that investigators went as far as to tell his wife that he got Phuong pregnant, something that he also said is just *not true.

Nguyen said he never left his home on Sunday, when Phuong went missing.

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-missingwomansearch,0,5567715.story
 
  • #402
To locals and those who know Phuong

I just wanted to say welcome again to any locals or those who know Phuong. We really do appreciate having you here. There are a few things to keep in mind, though.

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BeanE
 
  • #403
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_v._Gates

In May 1978, the Bloomingdale, Illinois Police Department received an anonymous letter. [alleging criminal activity]

<snip>

Mader signed an affidavit laying down the events as they had unfolded, in addition to the anonymous letter. A judge of the Circuit Court of DuPage County issued a warrant. Upon the Gates' arrival home, the Bloomingdale Police searched the car, recovering over 350 lb. of marijuana. A search of the Gates' residence led to the discovery of additional marijuana and weapons.

The Illinois Circuit Court decided that the search was unlawful based on the test established in the Supreme Court ruling in Spinelli v. United States. In essence, the affidavit did not provide enough evidence to establish probable cause, which led to the exclusion of evidence obtained on the basis of that warrant. This ruling was upheld by both the Illinois Appellate Courts and the Supreme Court of Illinois.

The case was brought to the United States Supreme Court when the state and several amicus curiae, friends of the court, asked them to review the decision. The main question that was presented was, “May a judge issue a search warrant on basis of partially corroborated anonymous informant’s tip?”

The Supreme Court overturned the ruling of the Illinois courts. Justice William Rehnquist delivered the decision. In a 6-3 ruling, Illinois won the case. Justice Rehnquist stated:

We agree with the Illinois Supreme Court that an informant's "veracity," "reliability" and "basis of knowledge" are all highly relevant in determining the value of his report. We do not agree, however, that these elements should be understood as entirely separate and independent requirements to be rigidly exacted in every case[...] [T]hey should be understood simply as closely intertwined issues that may usefully illuminate the common sense, practical question whether there is "probable cause" to believe that contraband or evidence is located in a particular place.

This rejected the Aguilar-Spinelli test and put in place a totality-of-the-circumstances standard. This was put into place because the court recognized that there was more evidence that the Gateses were involved in drug trafficking than just the letter standing alone. The court agreed that if the letter had just stood alone it would not be probable cause to get a warrant. The court also recognized that under the Aguilar-Spinelli two-pronged test, it would be very hard for the “reliability” prong to ever be satisfied from an anonymous tip so it therefore should be abandoned.

This case is a landmark case in the evolution of probable cause and search warrants. In this case, the Supreme Court abandons the Aguilar-Spinelli Test.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=462&page=213

IOW, an anonymous tip with at least some form of corroborating 'evidence' (and that could be defined very loosely, IMO) = probable cause for a search warrant.


Scary, eh?
 
  • #404
It has been edited!

Yesterday:




Now:

Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day. He didn't want to talk on camera.

Cops also searched his Rancho Solano home, seizing computers from there and the postal place.

But Nguyen emphatically said he had nothing to do with her disappearance, and broke down in tears several times as he told us that they were friends and that she confided in him for the past three years.

In fact, the night she went missing from Barnes and Noble, he said she called him around 6 o'clock that night upset, talking about her sister's newly opened hair salon and how business was slow.

Nguyen told us his life has been a wreck since the search and that investigators went as far as to tell his wife that he got Phuong pregnant, something that he also said is just *not true.

Nguyen said he never left his home on Sunday, when Phuong went missing.

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-missingwomansearch,0,5567715.story

Both were very poorly written, IMO.
 
  • #405
I find it very interesting how he, Nguyen, immediately denies getting Phuong pregnant but does not deny having a sexual relationship of any kind, consentual or forced....I would think THAT would be the first thing out of his mouth....i.e. he's no choir boy, IMO


IMO IMO IMO!!!
 
  • #406
Well, the new FOX40 article has a different byline, now by a real experienced reporter who has hundreds of articles and years of reporting. Maybe the first one was by a weekend intern?

Anyhow, I think this is significant: "Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day."
 
  • #407
Well, the new FOX40 article has a different byline, now by a real experienced reporter who has hundreds of articles and years of reporting. Maybe the first one was by a weekend intern?

Anyhow, I think this is significant: "Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day."

IF he ends up being charged, his defense attorney needs to *****-slap him for running his mouth to the media.
 
  • #408
IMO, the police obviously found something significant early on that pointed to him. But a lot will depend upon his alibi, if his wife insists he never left home or he can somehow prove that. There seems to be a pretty small window of time here.

Are there other businesses where the postal store that might have cameras, if he did take her and took her there at some point, does anyone know?
 
  • #409
IMO, the police obviously found something significant early on that pointed to him. But a lot will depend upon his alibi, if his wife insists he never left home or he can somehow prove that. There seems to be a pretty small window of time here.

Are there other businesses where the postal store that might have cameras, if he did take her and took her there at some point, does anyone know?

I just don't know what to think of him at this point with the revised article. It's hard to tell if he's suspicious or I'm wondering if a language barrier or cultural barrier may have made him seem more suspicious to LE than he is. On the other hand, I'm thinking they had to have *something* suspicious to get two search warrants from a judge, based on the explanation from the articles I linked earlier.
 
  • #410
I just don't know what to think of him at this point with the revised article. It's hard to tell if he's suspicious or I'm wondering if a language barrier or cultural barrier may have made him seem more suspicious to LE than he is. On the other hand, I'm thinking they had to have *something* suspicious to get two search warrants from a judge, based on the explanation from the articles I linked earlier.

According to the case I cited... it could have been an anonymous call ("hey, they were fooling around...") coupled with the phone call, perhaps no one but his wife to corroborate his alibi... who knows? Maybe they found something of Phuong Le's that indicated she was infatuated with him... and assumed the feeling was mutual?
 
  • #411
Well, it might just be that he was the last person they can identify that spoke with her, based on phone records.
 
  • #412
I am personally glad I caught the original. (fox 40 article).. much can be redacted if it is found to be sensitive to the case. I also agree with BeanE about p/c for SWs. Betcha a dime that N was "working" when the call came in. I also bet he has no alibi because of that. Something is up with N and to me it stinks.
 
  • #413
Well, it might just be that he was the last person they can identify that spoke with her, based on phone records.

I just don't think that's enough to get search warrants for his home and business. That's one of the reasons I don't know what to think right now.
 
  • #414
It has been edited!

Yesterday:




Now:

Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day. He didn't want to talk on camera.

Cops also searched his Rancho Solano home, seizing computers from there and the postal place.

But Nguyen emphatically said he had nothing to do with her disappearance, and broke down in tears several times as he told us that they were friends and that she confided in him for the past three years.

In fact, the night she went missing from Barnes and Noble, he said she called him around 6 o'clock that night upset, talking about her sister's newly opened hair salon and how business was slow.

Nguyen told us his life has been a wreck since the search and that investigators went as far as to tell his wife that he got Phuong pregnant, something that he also said is just *not true.

Nguyen said he never left his home on Sunday, when Phuong went missing.

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-missingwomansearch,0,5567715.story
Thanks, BeanE! I notice though that his statement about LE telling his wife about Phuong being pregnant is still in the revised article. :waitasec:
 
  • #415
Thanks, BeanE! I notice though that his statement about LE telling his wife about Phuong being pregnant is still in the revised article. :waitasec:

I just don't get what their motivation would be to do that. I can see them trying to get something out of him if he were saying there was no relationship and they were digging to try to see if maybe there was, and they decided to goad him a bit by saying "Cmon buddy, we know you got her pregnant" just to see his reaction, see if he'd maybe say "Okay yeah, we had a relationship but no way is she pregnant" or "Okay yeah I was in love with her but she wouldn't have a relationship with me so no way is she pregnant with my baby" or whatever.

But his *wife*?? Either they know for a fact he got her pregnant, or I don't know what their motivation would be. MOO. It's baffling me.
 
  • #416
I just don't get what their motivation would be to do that. I can see them trying to get something out of him if he were saying there was no relationship and they were digging to try to see if maybe there was, and they decided to goad him a bit by saying "Cmon buddy, we know you got her pregnant" just to see his reaction, see if he'd maybe say "Okay yeah, we had a relationship but no way is she pregnant" or "Okay yeah I was in love with her but she wouldn't have a relationship with me so no way is she pregnant with my baby" or whatever.

But his *wife*?? Either they know for a fact he got her pregnant, or I don't know what their motivation would be. MOO. It's baffling me.

If the statement is true since only Nguyen has said this, I'm going with LE knows she got pregnant.
 
  • #417
I just don't get what their motivation would be to do that. I can see them trying to get something out of him if he were saying there was no relationship and they were digging to try to see if maybe there was, and they decided to goad him a bit by saying "Cmon buddy, we know you got her pregnant" just to see his reaction, see if he'd maybe say "Okay yeah, we had a relationship but no way is she pregnant" or "Okay yeah I was in love with her but she wouldn't have a relationship with me so no way is she pregnant with my baby" or whatever.

But his *wife*?? Either they know for a fact he got her pregnant, or I don't know what their motivation would be. MOO. It's baffling me.
I agree with you about LE putting the pressure on him during an interrogation but to confront his wife with this information seems beyond the norm unless they have some proof to back it up. Or, since we haven't heard from LE, could he be making the whole thing up to get back at LE for some reason? He seems all to eager to be talking to the media despite not wanting to be on camera (per the article). MOO
 
  • #418
I agree with you about LE putting the pressure on him during an interrogation but to confront his wife with this information seems beyond the norm unless they have some proof to back it up. Or, since we haven't heard from LE, could he be making the whole thing up to get back at LE for some reason? He seems all to eager to be talking to the media despite not wanting to be on camera (per the article). MOO

(BBM)

I can't see him making something like this up...surely he'd be putting his whole marriage on the line.
 
  • #419
(BBM)

I can't see him making something like this up...surely he'd be putting his whole marriage on the line.
I really can't either but we haven't heard from LE, naturally, as they're investigating the case. It just seems odd that he's telling this to the media unless he's trying to prove his innocence by breaking down crying, denying getting her pregnant, telling them how many hours LE has questioned him, and most importantly, saying he never left home last Sunday. However, LE must suspect him of something or they wouldn't have searched his home & business, computers or interrogated him for eight hours. MOO
 
  • #420
Well, the new FOX40 article has a different byline, now by a real experienced reporter who has hundreds of articles and years of reporting. Maybe the first one was by a weekend intern?

Anyhow, I think this is significant: "Thuc Nguyen, the owner of Postal Express where Phuong worked for two years, told FOX40 that investigators questioned him for eight hours that day."

It is significant!! They were interrogating him - and LE are ruthless when they are looking for a confession. Sounds to me they think he is their perp and that's terrible for Thuc Nguyen - he needs an attorney because LE can tell him anything to obtain that confession. Eight hours of trying to wear him down, probably without much food or no bathroom breaks. They can tell him things that would ruin his business, his marriage, whatever it takes to get a confession. If this man is innocent he has been through a terrible ordeal. moo :eek:
 
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