CA - Placentia Students Find Teacher Dead in HS Classroom 2Mar15

[SophieRose]

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dead-652768-classroom-fire.html

The teacher removed Jacobson and set her body on the floor, which is where she was when emergency officials arrived.

“When police and fire arrived, the teacher was in cardiac arrest,” Point said. “After several minutes, she was declared deceased at the scene.” Jacobson possibly died before paramedics arrived, but every effort was made to try to revive her, Point said.

 

[katydid23]

Just because the door was locked it does not mean it has to be a suicide. Those keys are usually opened by dozens of other copies on campus. Another teacher next door opened the door with her room key. An employee there could have killed her and left with a key.

However her pulse means that it was very recent. School started at 8:30 and the kids got the door unlocked at 8:45. So a killer would be cutting it pretty close.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Its very unusual for a woman to hang herself.
Dig deeper LE.

 

[SophieRose]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_hanging

A 2008 review of 56 countries based on World Health Organization mortality data found that hanging was the most common method in most of the countries,[8] accounting for 53 percent of the male suicides and 39 percent of the female suicides.[9] In England and Wales, hanging is the most commonly used method, and is particularly prevalent in the group of males aged 15–44, comprising almost half of the suicides in the group. It is the second most common method among women, behind poisoning.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It is easier to think someone else could be so depraved and not a respected teacher, but I would guess LE must have more evidence she did it than they have released. They would certainly want to get this one right.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Not sure if it's true that she had a pulse when found. According to this MSM article, investigators (and I'm assuming the ME had input into this based on preliminary investigation) determined she'd have passed at 7am. There must be good reason they determined that 7am was the time. As such, if found at 8:45am there's no way she would have had a pulse.

I heard a report on KFI local talk radio. A reporter on the scene called in after talking to some students and employees. Apparently this is a 34 yr old art teacher, very popular with the kids. She taught photography and ceramics. She is married, no mention of kids. [ I hope not]

She was very upbeat and always positive and happy according to those at the school. This morning at 8:45 her classroom was still locked, so the teacher next door unlocked it so they kids could wait inside. they did not think anything was wrong, but when they went inside the classroom, she was hanging there AND STILL HAD A PULSE.

Those poor kids. This really surprises me that she would do this KNOWING her kids would be finding her. It seems she must have done this in the morning since she still had a pulse. Seems very odd. I wonder if they have security cams to see if anyone else was around this morning.

 

[kimi_SFC]

O.C. Register (@ocregister) tweeted at 1:56pm - 2 Mar 15:

Police confirm woman found hanged at El Dorado High was photography teacher Jillian Jacobson: ow.ly/JQsmN
https://pic.twitter.com/u6JGNxAgB8

(https://twitter.com/ocregister/status/572515856485228544?s=17)




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[katydid23]

Not sure if it's true that she had a pulse when found. According to this MSM article, investigators (and I'm assuming the ME had input into this based on preliminary investigation) determined she'd have passed at 7am. There must be good reason they determined that 7am was the time. As such, if found at 8:45am there's no way she would have had a pulse.

The radio reporter must have gotten that wrong. She was pretty adamant about the pulse still being there, but it might have been a rumor or misunderstanding.

 

[TravelingBug]

This article is another that sounds much more like they're thinking she died shortly before she was found, not long before.

If she'd been dead since around 7, it seems completely unlikely medics would have attempted to revive her as she'd be clearly long deceased by 8:45 is I'd think, no?

“When police and fire arrived, the teacher was in cardiac arrest,” Point said. “After several minutes, she was declared deceased at the scene.”

Jacobson possibly died before paramedics arrived, but every effort was made to try to revive her, Point said

I realize it'd take several minutes for them to officially pronounce her, but to even attempt to revive her would seem to have to mean it having happened far closer to a 20 minute range than a nearly 2 hour prior range.

 

[katydid23]

“When police and fire arrived, the teacher was in cardiac arrest,” Point said. “After several minutes, she was declared deceased at the scene.”


If she was in cardiac arrest, then that means she was still alive---correct? :waitasec:

 

[TravelingBug]

And what is up with this? Just poor writing?

Investigators suspect Jacobson hanged herself in the classroom. A suicide note was not found, Point said.

To me that reads like they're assuming it was suicide but haven't completely concluded that, despite the fact that out of the other side of the mouth it's all being conveyed as suicide. :thinking:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dead-652768-classroom-fire.html

 

[katydid23]

On the 11pm local news I heard a snippet of the 911 call. And there was a lot of noise and chaos in the background, and some sobbing, but the frantic caller was telling the dispatcher that the woman was still alive.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

'Right away we knew something really horrible had happened': Students describe moment they found popular teacher hanged in classroom

Devastated students identified the teacher as married Jillian Jacobson

She taught photography at El Dorado High School in Placentia, California

They found her in locked classroom yesterday as they arrived for school

'Our teacher ran out of class', said one. 'Then she started screaming'

Jacobson was married and lived with her 34-year-old husband in Anaheim

Her father killed himself, but she showed no previous signs of depression

Students held candlelit vigil for what they called her 'beautiful soul'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-teacher-hanged-classroom.html#ixzz3TKY0YesB

 

[iamnotagolem]

She openly discussed her opposition to suicide with her students, it was known that her father committed suicide. A student or teacher could have been in her classroom, shut the door, hanged her and either walked back out the door or climbed out a window.

 

[JeannaT]

She openly discussed her opposition to suicide with her students, it was known that her father committed suicide. A student or teacher could have been in her classroom, shut the door, hanged her and either walked back out the door or climbed out a window.

That's a red flag, actually, for potential future suicide. People who tell other people - out of the blue and not prompted by the person's suicidal leanings - that they shouldn't commit suicide are thinking about it themselves. It's one thing for a person to tell someone who expresses a suicidal ideation that it isn't the answer - but it sounds like this was one of her "things". To talk about suicide a lot with people who didn't seem to be at risk.

And that's who often does it. You hear people say well it couldn't have been a suicide, he said all the time suicide wasn't the answer. MM hm.

 

[jjenny]

That's a red flag, actually, for potential future suicide. People who tell other people - out of the blue and not prompted by the person's suicidal leanings - that they shouldn't commit suicide are thinking about it themselves. It's one thing for a person to tell someone who expresses a suicidal ideation that it isn't the answer - but it sounds like this was one of her "things". To talk about suicide a lot with people who didn't seem to be at risk.

And that's who often does it. You hear people say well it couldn't have been a suicide, he said all the time suicide wasn't the answer. MM hm.

ITA. She probably was depressed and suicidal for a while, but covered it well.

 

[jjenny]

Its very unusual for a woman to hang herself.
Dig deeper LE.

No, it's not. It's one of the most common methods of suicide.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

they DID dismiss classes early yesterday - by 11am everyone was pretty much gone from the campus, it was reported.

Also, perhaps this classroom was where Jillian felt safest, felt joy, felt love... maybe she felt the most "at home" and the most happy in her classroom, thus why she chose to do it there.

I try to be careful not to rationalize suicide.

I feel nothing but sadness for this woman, her family, and the students who knew and loved her.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Students find teacher Jillian Jacobson hanged in classroom: 'RIP Mrs jacobson' - LA Times

Afternoon classes were canceled.


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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-teacher-dead-at-el-dorado-high-school-20150302-story.html


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The LA Times story has been updated. Heartbreaking account:

(snip)

The students asked another teacher to let them in the classroom, where they found the photography instructor. Together they lowered the teacher to the floor, authorities said.

FL (redacted), a 16-year-old student at El Dorado, said he saw students lined up outside Jacobson's classroom as he headed to his own class.

Sitting in class, FL said he could hear screams when his teacher left to unlock Jacobson's classroom.

FL said he heard "screaming, crying. It freaked the hell out of me."



:tears:


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[MzOpinion8d]

I just do. not. believe. that this woman would have hung herself in her classroom minutes before students arrived. This sounds to me like someone wanted to humiliate and embarrass her. Maybe someone who thought she cared about her job and/or students more than them? I hope the school has surveillance footage that can provide some certainty either way.