CA - Rayanna Nail, 10, dies of drug OD, Klamath, 31 July 2009

[songline]

thank you for you kind words. I am happy to give Rayanna and my brother n sister a voice with all this negative crap out here. I am sorry it comes off so strong and I realy think those of you with open minds and know that any mother in their right mind would never intionally put their child in harms way. There was a saftey plan set up that the mother followed to a T she was supposed to call her mom if Ray was going to go down to her trailer, ( my brother and his family lived in a house) and she did so, Terry (i cant call her grandma) was supposed to say no she cant come down if she had been taking pills, and was supposed to keep her pills locked up. My sister in law did keep hers under lock and key at all times but unknown to her Terry's lock was broke on her safe. Ray did not take the pills that we can tell till around bed time and they stayed up late playing cards that night. They had such a good day. The county dropped the ball here and my niece has to pay for it. But thank you for keeping us in your prayers and I will answer any questions from people that are not negative and hurtful(like the one that said my sister wanted her daughter dead and my nephew should be taken away.

WOW! Bless your heart for what you do. You are a loving sister with a big open heart.
Thanks for setting things right. I am so sorry for your family's pain. I know when you love your family members you cant imagine yourself being negligent, but while the state did fail her, that child should have never gone to grandma unsupervised. But we learned it the hard way, nobody is perfect. Sending healings to you all. :blowkiss:

 

[Enchanting_eyes]

sorry i should of been more specific. that post wasnt dirrected to you it was to the person that asked about the cremation and thought my sister was trying to cover something by having her cremated. nothing you said was hurtfull to me.

It's OK, no harm done.

I am however sorry for your families loss, regardless of the circumstances surrendering the event, this was a tragic accident. I hope that your family can find some peace again.


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[6angels]

Thank you for your kindness and I appreciate your input on this thread.

I think sometimes when we discuss very sad cases here, we want to be able to wrap them up in a safe little package and say "This could never happen to me because I wouldn't do X, Y or Z." That is more comforting than considering the alternative.

I will keep your family in all my prayers.

This WOULD NEVER happen to me. I CAN guarantee you that.

 

[itsreenw]

d was supposed to keep her pills locked up. My sister inlaw did keep hers under lock and key at all times but unknowen to her Terrys lock was broke on her safe. Ray did not take the pills that we can tell till around bed time and they stayed up late playing cards that night. They had such a good day. The county droped the ball here and my niece has to pay for it.

(Highlighted by me)
Stupidityiseverywhere, that is exactly why it is partly Kris's responsibility.
She didn't know the situation at gma's house. You can't take chances like that and assume that everything is ok, especially when there is a history of gma being 'soma'd out'. If Kris would've taken 5 minutes and walked down there herself, we wouldn't even be discussing this. I know these are your relatives and you are trying to convey that they are good people, and I don't doubt that they are but Kris, not the county, failed her daughter not once that day, but three times.

First, was when she sent her troubled 10 yr old daughter ANYWHERE by herself, much less on an errand one of the parents should have went on. Or they could've walked together when they were outside chasing lizards.

The second time is when Ray came home and announced there were pills all over the place at gma's. Did they check her pockets to see if she could have possibly gotten a hold of something while gma was soma'd out? If she was up playing cards with her mom, it's possible she waited and took the pills at home, not at gma's, so wouldn't Kris be responsible for what happens to her child at home?

The third time is when the child woke up with those symptoms and again, Kris knew there were pills thrown around at gma's but took Ray's word for it that she hadn't taken any drugs instead of being careful and taking the child to the hospital just to be on the safe side. On top of that she gave her a tylenol (another pill).

Face it, Kris used terrible judgment that day and I'm sorry if I said anything to upset you but how can she want to see Teri imprisoned without feeling she deserves punishment too.

Did your brother find Ray in the morning or did Kris? In an article linked from early on in the thread, Kris gives details about when she found her but you said your brother found her. Not suggesting anything, just trying to get the facts right.

 

[southcitymom]

This WOULD NEVER happen to me. I CAN guarantee you that.

Well, that's good - one less thing you have to worry about!

 

[wonders]

Stupidityiseverywhere,

I am very very sorry that Rayanna had to die this way. It has truely broken my heart for her. That being said I'd like to ask you a few questions.
1. Why was Rayanna troubled in the first place?
2. Why did Rayanna OD twice before?
3. Where were the responsible adults in Rayanna's whole life?
4. How many siblings does Rayanna have and how old are they?
5. Are Rayanna's siblings troubled also?
I hope you answer my questions as I really want to know the answers. Thank you.

 

[stupidityiseverywher]

They were not all junkies. My brother and my sister does not do drugs. They are not strung out, and no my niece is not ok in a hospital she is in heaven.

hmm..never heard that expression before, "soma'd out" but what do i know? I can relate to what it must mean.
That child was trouble and troubled, grandma is not guilty, she was sick / junkie nobody should have sent that child anywhere near grandma without supervision especially after that child had already tested the world of pill popping.

Where is she now? I hope she is ok in some hospital the old lady was trouble too..
Interesting case going back to read. Seems like criminal negligence and they were all druggies.
Poor baby she did not stand a chance.

 

[stupidityiseverywher]

My brother found her. I was not at the triplicate when the story was given to the reporter, But Kris said that it was a missprint. I agree the child was failed. Reminding you that she had no symptoms untill 2:30 am, there were no pockets to go threw, Kris went as far to even go threw her vomit after asking if she took anything, She did search. She gave her childrens tylenol to get her fever down, How was she to know she took pills, How was she to Know the symptoms of a OD she is not a DR. Its easy to point blame when you were not there. all I now is the world lost a beautifull gift on 7-31-09 . We will never heal. WHen does it get easier? It hurts so much to get on here to wright about this, But I do it for Ray and my family. Ad for the person that said thank you to me

(Hfor doing this and that I love my brother ad have a big heart thank you It is so nice to get a possitive among all this negative.
Stupidityiseverywhere, that is exactly why it is partly Kris's responsibility.
She didn't know the situation at gma's house. You can't take chances like that and assume that everything is ok, especially when there is a history of gma being 'soma'd out'. If Kris would've taken 5 minutes and walked down there herself, we wouldn't even be discussing this. I know these are your relatives and you are trying to convey that they are good people, and I don't doubt that they are but Kris, not the county, failed her daughter not once that day, but three times.

First, was when she sent her troubled 10 yr old daughter ANYWHERE by herself, much less on an errand one of the parents should have went on. Or they could've walked together when they were outside chasing lizards.

The second time is when Ray came home and announced there were pills all over the place at gma's. Did they check her pockets to see if she could have possibly gotten a hold of something while gma was soma'd out? If she was up playing cards with her mom, it's possible she waited and took the pills at home, not at gma's, so wouldn't Kris be responsible for what happens to her child at home?

The third time is when the child woke up with those symptoms and again, Kris knew there were pills thrown around at gma's but took Ray's word for it that she hadn't taken any drugs instead of being careful and taking the child to the hospital just to be on the safe side. On top of that she gave her a tylenol (another pill).

Face it, Kris used terrible judgment that day and I'm sorry if I said anything to upset you but how can she want to see Teri imprisoned without feeling she deserves punishment too.

Did your brother find Ray in the morning or did Kris? In an article linked from early on in the thread, Kris gives details about when she found her but you said your brother found her. Not suggesting anything, just trying to get the facts right.

 

[impatientredhead]

When it comes to children, you protect them no matter what. When you know your child is troubled, and your family has some issues, you ACCOMPANY YOUR MINOR-AGE CHILD INTO THE SITUATION THAT HAS CAUSED THE MOST HARM, or, even better, you keep them away from it altogether. Go get your own potatoes, if you must.

I don't care if 'grandma told the truth the 2nd time'. If she didn't tell the truth the first time, that gives a 50/50 chance of a child's safety in that situation. Not good enough.

No excuses.

Exactly. Gma is a serious drug addict who has not been to rehab or gotten help for her issue. You cannot rely on a drug addict to protect your child. They don't suddenly become responsbile and clear think because DSHS had them sign a form. It is reckless endangerment of a child.

 

[songline]

They were not all junkies. My brother and my sister does not do drugs. They are not strung out, and no my niece is not ok in a hospital she is in heaven.

Thank you for your reply And Again God Bless you all.
I meant I hope Grandma is OK in some Hospital, not a prison.
She is a sick woman not an evil one. That baby should have never
been trusted anywhere near her unsupervised.
I am the person who thanked you. Now I am the one who prays for you.
You are hurting and I can see that.

 

[Oblio]

Um your coworker would have of gotten her trailer from the gma///////the mom does not live in a trailer. And yes she does have white powder arounds her nose and lips because she chews her pills not swallows them........so yes your coworker is right....and how do you know my sister in law and brother to be able to say the things you are saying.

I'm not sure what I said about your brother or SIL, I'm just stating that this is the family (mother/daughter) that this girl bought her trailer (read camper trailer, not house trailer) from years ago. She said one of the women (and I wasn't listening close enough to attest to which) had white powder around her nose and explained that she had just taken her pills. It's a lot of he said she said, and I'm just repeating what she said, I wasn't making the assertion myself or saying anything about your bro/sil.

And I'm still with the others, it was the parents responsibility to see to it that Ray was never, ever, unsupervised in the pressence of her grandmother. Period. Rayona was failed by those who were most responsible for her well being. This whole mess could have been avoided if they had only done that. It's sad, and it's unfortunate. Everyone involved is suffering for this failure.

 

[wonders]

Stupidityiseverywhere,

I am very very sorry that Rayanna had to die this way. It has truely broken my heart for her. That being said I'd like to ask you a few questions.
1. Why was Rayanna troubled in the first place?
2. Why did Rayanna OD twice before?
3. Where were the responsible adults in Rayanna's whole life?
4. How many siblings does Rayanna have and how old are they?
5. Are Rayanna's siblings troubled also?
I hope you answer my questions as I really want to know the answers. Thank you.

Stupidityiseverywhere,
Please answer the questions above.

 

[songline]

Stupidityiseverywhere,
Please answer the questions above.

With no disrespect at all:
I am not playing devils advocate: but in all honesty that may be hard for her to reply to.
You are asking her to send her family up the river.
What can she say? that would not sell them out?
Clearly we can see that it was a very dysfunctional family.
CLEARLY there was daniel if she thought she can send a kid to her moms house unsupervised.
clearly we can see that there was love there too.
If I was stupidityiseverywhere I would say Mind your business, these questions will not bring her back.

 

[Cicada]

Ok here is why I think she is being charged . ( this is JMO from dealing with the state as not only a Foster parent( now adoptive parent) but also a foster child.

I believe the state came out and investigated the mom AND the grandma because of the Od's before. I believe the state THEN gave them a "safety plan" they BOTH had to sign. In the plan it included that all drugs be locked up so the child could not get the drugs. OR they spoke to grandma and mom and told them this and they agreed to this.

The drugs was not locked up and the child got into the drugs and died and since this had been a problem before and they had a safety plan to lock the drugs up the grandmother was charged.

When you sign the plan it shows you are aware of the problem and you will do XYZ to correct the problem. If you don't follow the plan KNOWING it's a problem then you are charged with neglict ( and in this case murder as the child has passed away)


The reason Grandma would be investigated by the state is that it happened with her drugs and at her home in the past . The state CAN and DOES make safety plans for grandparents, aunts, uncles etc homes even if the child does not live there if the child is in danger there and in and out of the home. Usually safety plans are done so the child is not taken into foster care and if they was taken into foster care it is done before the child can be sent home.


Again this is just my guess since it said the state has been involved in the past. I am guessing it was not unheard of for the child to go from house to house.They lived in a trailer ( I think I read) and was probley on the same lot or very close by.

IF IF IF IF there is a Safety plan OR the state has told the grandma AND mom all meds needed to be locked up and they was not and they KNEW ( both grandma and mom ) that the child went from home to home then I believe BOTH mom and grandma should be charged.

You throw out the " well it was grandma's house " when grandma knew her grandchild had oded on the drugs before and she knew the grandchild came and went as she pleased. The Drugs should of been locked up PERIOD .No matter what home when they know this is a problem. It was close enough for the child to walk from her home to grandma's home so it must of been close and I bet you anything this child came from the two homes. So yes the grandma should of locked the drugs up.



So I guess in the end I am going against what everyone else thinks. IF they knew and if the child came and went the drugs should of been locked up. I believe mom should be charged as well as she KNEW the child had a problem with taking drugs and she knew her mother had a problem leaving them out. This child was let down by her Grandma, Her mom and the state that should of removed her if not the first time at the very least the second time this happened. The mom SHOULD of walked her child there and never allowed her to go alone and grandma should of locked up her drugs.

Hi everyone. I was just reading this thread and thought I would jump off of this post, 6angels. You make a very compelling argument, but IMO, I would think if an agreement was made it would be that the children could not go to GM's without supervision from another adult. Or would at least insist that the children could not go to GM's period. Of course, you never know with CPS.

My concern, besides the fact that a child died needlessly, is that if GM is convicted of this, would that make every neighbor in every neighborhood culpable if someone's kid came into their home uninvited, and OD'd? I mean, say you babysat this child knowing her history of prescription med abuse; you locked your medication away from her when you were watching her. Then say one day the mother sends her to your house to borrow sugar and you are in the back yard working in your flower bed or something, and the child comes through the front door without your knowledge. If that child sees your meds on the kitchen table, and takes some, are you culpable for that? Will this set a precedence for that degree of culpability?
IMO, the GM should not have been charged at all. If someone comes into my home uninvited, is that not breaking and entering, no matter the age or relation? I believe the mother is 100% to blame for this. At the very least, she should have been more than a little concerned about a fever and rash. Especially as this is also symptoms of meningitis.

 

[itsreenw]

My brother found her. I was not at the triplicate when the story was given to the reporter, But Kris said that it was a missprint. I agree the child was failed. Reminding you that she had no symptoms untill 2:30 am, there were no pockets to go threw, Kris went as far to even go threw her vomit after asking if she took anything, She did search. She gave her childrens tylenol to get her fever down, How was she to know she took pills, How was she to Know the symptoms of a OD she is not a DR. Its easy to point blame when you were not there. all I now is the world lost a beautifull gift on 7-31-09 . We will never heal. WHen does it get easier? It hurts so much to get on here to wright about this, But I do it for Ray and my family. Ad for the person that said thank you to me

BBM. Let me say this first. Being an auntie of 10, I know the pain you must be going through right now must be unbearable. I admire your courage for coming on here to answer our questions and being a voice for Rayanna and your family. Thank you very much. Please understand, that none of our comments are directed at you. You are our only inside source, so we are barraging you with questions and our personal feelings. Our hearts are breaking for Rayanna. With that said, I have questions and comments...

I believe deep inside Kris probably knows she is partially responsible for her daughter's death, but admitting that publicly may land her in jail too so she seems to be going overboard with throwing gma under the bus.

What were the symptoms the first 2 times she overdosed? What did Kris go to gma's house for later that evening? Where did she lock the pills up if the lock was broken on gma's safe box?

This quote was a misprint?

The next morning Rayanna’s mother went to wake her up and said, “I went back in to her room and she was lying on her stomach. I turned her over and it was awful ... she was gone. Somewhere between her going back to bed and when I got up, my baby left.”

Around 2:30 a.m. the next morning, Rayanna woke her mother complaining of feeling hot and itching.

So in addition to a fever and rash, Rayanna was vomiting too? It may have been mentioned here , but this is the first I've heard of that. THAT is not a sign of poison oak.
Kris had a suspicion of what happened if she was going through vomit




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[OneLostGrl]

Well if u knew aything about soma its just like being drunk. Same fuctioning, same blackouts, same fuzzy head and not rembering. And some people not going to mention names(was recentaly in jail) chews pills for a faster high. Then you have minnutes 5-15 before they kick in so the sleeping with pills everywhere was a strong word a mother that lost her child used there were 4 oxys out on the table(no bottle) and somas lying on the floor because she gets dizzy(hints the acchole affect) and drops them. So there are some facts for you to sink in since you had none when you made your last quote

I am very sorry for your loss... however, I know plenty about Soma and Oxycontin.

 

[indicajane]

Not to minimize the situation, but since this is a crime discussion board, and there was definately a crime here..

Once the mother heard that there will pills all over grandma's, she KNEW that the plan wasn't being followed. She at that point KNEW that her troubled child was unsupervised in the house with pills. The same child who got plenty of reaction, negative maybe, but a reaction from the last time she took pills. The time before, she just SAID she took pills, and now she had another opportunity to take them for real and jumped on it.

I think as soon as I discovered that my troubled daughter was alone in a house with pills and a knocked out grandma, I would have assumed the worst. At that point, the med's weren't taken. I would have searched that child, and perhaps even taken her to get her stomach pumped.

Of course, I have plenty of family like that, and I wouldn't let my kids be unsupervised at any of their homes. While my children would not consume medication, as small children I was terrified they would find them lying around and think it was candy. He!!, I wouldn't even let my DOG over to my Aunt's house, can you imagine what an Oxy could do to a 7 pound dog?

Too bad people don't do the same with their kids

 

[stupidityiseverywher]

Thank you mary for saying that. I am not affraid to answer them it's just some of them are very personal to ray and i will not discrase her memory by posting personal things on here, there are reasons she was troubled and it was mental not physical thats all i will say about that, my nephew is normal,as far as how old he is why would that matter he is here with me and thats all that matters. As far as responisable adults and where were they well i can tell you that my brother did the best he could to try to be a dad to ray and considdered her his after her father walked out on her very young. My family is not disfuncitonal,, kris side may be thats not for me to say she wil get her judgement one way or the other. If not now then when she goes. There are alot of bad things that happend to mom before she became a mother why was that not stopped, then maybee like everyone says, that all this was moddeled for ray well it was almost moddeled for kris, its her norm to be around that stuff since she grew up with it all around her.when will our kids not have to live with all the hurt and pain in their lives? Why dont we start stepping in before it can come t this instead of letting everyone off the hook and letting them back out to be around kids. I dont know i think i am done posting there are a few people out there i want to thank with all my heart for the prayers and kindness, for the guy or girl that wants answers to those questions, you let me know who you are and personal things about you and then i will answer yours.

with no disrespect at all:
I am not playing devils advocate: But in all honesty that may be hard for her to reply to.
You are asking her to send her family up the river.
What can she say? That would not sell them out?
Clearly we can see that it was a very dysfunctional family.
Clearly there was daniel if she thought she can send a kid to her moms house unsupervised.
Clearly we can see that there was love there too.
If i was stupidityiseverywhere i would say mind your business, these questions will not bring her back.

 

[stupidityiseverywher]

She went threw the vomit to be sure there were no pills after going to gmas and cleaning up pills. The symptoms the first time were not set in, ray told her mom because she got scared and her mom called 911. The missprint,,, she said jay(my brother) turned her over and she was gone and that sometime that night my baby left. The exzact wording takes to long for me to right but those were the missprints. And kris called g ma to see if it was ok for ray to come get potatos, so she knew she was comming. Kris went down there after ray said gma was somad out again and there were pills everywhere. She went to check on her mom and cleaned the pills up not knowing ray already had some she cleaned them up seen that the lock was broken on the box then locked them up in her car, just for gma later that night to go down to kris's house and kris heard something outside, the gma was trying to get into kris's car to get her pills after her grandaughter just passed she was worried about getting her pills out. I know alot of you are stciking up for gma but let me tell you if you knew her you wouldb't be.

bbm. Let me say this first. Being an auntie of 10, i know the pain you must be going through right now must be unbearable. I admire your courage for coming on here to answer our questions and being a voice for rayanna and your family. Thank you very much. Please understand, that none of our comments are directed at you. You are our only inside source, so we are barraging you with questions and our personal feelings. Our hearts are breaking for rayanna. With that said, i have questions and comments...

I believe deep inside kris probably knows she is partially responsible for her daughter's death, but admitting that publicly may land her in jail too so she seems to be going overboard with throwing gma under the bus.

What were the symptoms the first 2 times she overdosed? What did kris go to gma's house for later that evening? Where did she lock the pills up if the lock was broken on gma's safe box?

this quote was a misprint?


so in addition to a fever and rash, rayanna was vomiting too? It may have been mentioned here , but this is the first i've heard of that. That is not a sign of poison oak.
Kris had a suspicion of what happened if she was going through vomit


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[stupidityiseverywher]

I forgot the second time ray lied about it so there were no symptoms then ither. Kris did check rays pockets and where she has been knowen to take things and stash them. She had stashing spots for candy she would take without asking and things she would take from other kids .

she went threw the vomit to be sure there were no pills after going to gmas and cleaning up pills. The symptoms the first time were not set in, ray told her mom because she got scared and her mom called 911. The missprint,,, she said jay(my brother) turned her over and she was gone and that sometime that night my baby left. The exzact wording takes to long for me to right but those were the missprints. And kris called g ma to see if it was ok for ray to come get potatos, so she knew she was comming. Kris went down there after ray said gma was somad out again and there were pills everywhere. She went to check on her mom and cleaned the pills up not knowing ray already had some she cleaned them up seen that the lock was broken on the box then locked them up in her car, just for gma later that night to go down to kris's house and kris heard something outside, the gma was trying to get into kris's car to get her pills after her grandaughter just passed she was worried about getting her pills out. I know alot of you are stciking up for gma but let me tell you if you knew her you wouldb't be.