CA - Rebecca Zahau Wrongful Death Revisited 2019

[iluvmua]

was it a faked kidnapping? I knew she ran away...that she was spiraling is the easy answer, yes things were very bad...it's just such an elaborate scene and none of it jibes.
but. what I have been told by someone in the Psychiatric field, is that suicide is almost always out of anger and rage, that anger is the overriding emotion...but not always recognized..I don't know that I agree with this but some persons that I have known who committed suicide all did a dramatic suicide.
2 jumped, one from one of the tallest high-rises, one in a huge Mall from a top level.
1 hung himself in the woods and made an art installation there as part of the presentation.
one od'd on a rooftop and left a note,
In only one of these scenarios do I see rage..but maybe it is something to look for. I cannot rule out a dramatic display
in a hanging because I know some one who actually did that.
My problem with it is I don't see her doing this..all of it is so out of this world..and there is no note, the writing on the wall is not a note. and if she wanted it to look like a murder scene she really did a number because it is the weirdest murder scene ever.

it's far more likely this scene was created in that bedroom to cover up the fact that she was strangled in a rage..the physical evidence says so. There is just so much wrong with all of it...it doesn't tell a story, it doesn't lead you to understand her, she hangs herself in the nude with her period and on display like a house of horrors. She could have easily hanged herself...it's pretty simple...even her wrists could have been tied much more easily...

one question I had was why would he wrap her neck in a t-shirt if she was already dead? I do have questions but
I still think she was murdered. mOO

She probably put a shirt in her mouth to keep her from biting her tounge.

 

[Seattle1]

ok so I am reading that she was depressed apparently..but that doesn't mean she committed suicide. mOO
added I had forgotten about the text messages she wrote about feeling empty etc.

I suggest all pull out their phones and review any "Notes," and especially the dates they were written. My last recorded contemplation note was 1/21/2020-- waiting to board my flight home following the funeral of a college roommate who was killed in an auto accident.

For somebody to take the words I wrote four years ago, out of context, and use them in current time to allege I was currently depressed, would be the greatest misrepresentation of my words and an injustice!

Rebecca did not send any depression/suicidal text messages! Notes previously written and stored in her phone were intentionally used out of context to advance the SDCSO theory. More important-- the agency also failed to include statements by the departments own psychologist who interviewed and observed Rebecca two days before her murder (i.e., following Max's fall from the balcony). MOO

Psychologist testifies that Rebecca Zahau did not appear to be suicidal

Trial resumed Monday in the civil trial involving the death of a woman found hanging in a Coronado mansion back in 2011.

www.cbs8.com

 

[Seattle1]

She probably put a shirt in her mouth to keep her from biting her tounge.

Prevention of biting your tongue-- the biggest concern and worry of one committing suicide?

 

[minazoe]

Prevention of biting your tongue-- the biggest concern and worry of one committing suicide?

I thought she also had a t-shirt wrapped around her neck underneath the noose. I could be mis-remembering. mOO

 

[Seattle1]

Bc everything pointed to suicide.
Read up on her background.

The incident with Max Schacknai was the tipping point.

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Citing a shoplifting incident in 2009 is hardly proof of suicide in 2011!

Courts and mental health professionals can fill volumes with incidents of first time shoplifting offenses which are often directly attributed to a trauma, death, divorce, sudden illness, etc.

As an example, we know RZ had separated from her husband during this time, divorce finalized in 2011, but I think more important here is how RZ responded to being confronted with her illegal act. For all we know, RZ was encouraged to use a journal as a means to express her emotions (content which investigators used to promote their own theory).

There's also no evidence RZ suffered from being impulsive or any kind of repeat offender and believe me -- her past was scrubbed beyond any victim I'm aware of!

According to Phoenix court records, Zahau was charged with shoplifting in 2009. Police said she entered a Macy’s store and put more than $1,000 in jewelry into shopping bags from different stores. Loss prevention officers stopped her as she was walking out and called police, said Sgt. Steve Martos.

She pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and agreed to pay nearly $500 and attend a shoplifting diversion course.

Woman in mansion mystery devoted to tycoon boyfriend

CORONADO — The Arizona woman who was found hanging from the balcony of her boyfriend’s historic Coronado oceanfront mansion was described by her former employer Friday as a co…

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

ETA: add'l link

Explaining The Interesting Psychology Behind Shoplifting - What is Psychology?

Shoplifting is one of the most common forms of theft, and it can have serious consequences for those who are caught in the act. Shoplifting is a complex behavior, but several theories attempt to explain it. Some experts believe that shoplifting is a form of impulse control disorder or an...

www.whatispsychology.biz

 

[iluvmua]

Look, I'm just going by my opinion of suicide.

Regardless of suicide or murder, This case will never probably be re open.

I don't want to go back and forth with people when the ruling has already been made and not likely to change anytime soon.

It's pointless

 

[Betty P]

Look, I'm just going by my opinion of suicide.

Regardless of suicide or murder, This case will never probably be re open.

I don't want to go back and forth with people when the ruling has already been made and not likely to change anytime soon.

It's pointless

It’s not at all unusual for cases to be reopened, especially when errors were made and foul play is suspected.

 

[waldojabba]

It is so obviously staged, except to the San Diego POLICE and apparently the coroner!!!

I still remember the feeling of outrage while watching Garcetti’s press conference here on the east coast and hearing the “suicide” conclusion. It felt surreal. I remember thinking there is something totally off here and how can they think anyone will possibly believe that conclusion. The boyfriend was obviously very powerful with money and they seemed to believe that Rebecca was just a
“Throwaway”. If the power and money were reversed this case would have had a very different investigation and result years ago. Shame on the investigators. Still boggles my mind. JMO

 

[minazoe]

I also think it is possible that she refused sex and he chased her around the house, I think it started with wanting sex. I can see this progressing and turning into a full blown murder.

he could have forced her to shower...he could have done god knows what..there was screaming, loud music, events that were not properly analyzed. I wonder if they could find other women to come forward. mOO

 

[ilovewings]

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I also think it is possible that she refused sex and he chased her around the house, I think it started with wanting sex. I can see this progressing and turning into a full blown murder.

he could have forced her to shower...he could have done god knows what..there was screaming, loud music, events that were not properly analyzed. I wonder if they could find other women to come forward. mOO

That scenario makes a good deal of sense to me!

 

[minazoe]

I think those are her underpants. was her DNA on them? so okay she is a vulnerable mess, he is a mess too over the baby. So she has picked him up at the AP, she has settled him in at the Guest house and this is where he makes his move. perhaps there is a moment of mutual attraction, perhaps not. Something happens where R's underwear is removed. Or they were taken and disposed of later after her death as a token and then disposed of.

she may have been raped or attacked in the guest house. she ran to the main house where she was confronted again.
she either took a shower to wash off the rape or she was forced to. I do believe she was raped or almost raped.

He couldn't leave her to rat him out...I think a whole lot of holy hell broke loose in that house followed by an insane
attempt to cover up the whole thing. totally overboard. Almost like a movie. I cannot believe no one has come forward to confirm his violent personality. mOO

 

[Seattle1]

I think those are her underpants. was her DNA on them? so okay she is a vulnerable mess, he is a mess too over the baby. So she has picked him up at the AP, she has settled him in at the Guest house and this is where he makes his move. perhaps there is a moment of mutual attraction, perhaps not. Something happens where R's underwear is removed. Or they were taken and disposed of later after her death as a token and then disposed of.

she may have been raped or attacked in the guest house. she ran to the main house where she was confronted again.
she either took a shower to wash off the rape or she was forced to. I do believe she was raped or almost raped.

He couldn't leave her to rat him out...I think a whole lot of holy hell broke loose in that house followed by an insane
attempt to cover up the whole thing. totally overboard. Almost like a movie. I cannot believe no one has come forward to confirm his violent personality. mOO

Although LE did not analyze the panties found in the guest house rubbish, I do not believe they belonged to RZ. JS older children stayed in the guest house and most likely belonged to the daughter or her friends.

The Mysterious Deaths That Rocked a Wealthy Southern California Enclave

"Nothing bad could happen in Coronado."

www.townandcountrymag.com

4/4/2018

The outrage was immediate, fueled by the press, internet sleuths, and suicide experts, who said such a suicide was unheard of. There were so many complaints and questions that Gore finally stopped answering them and posted an FAQ section on the sheriff’s department website.

Why hadn’t the police analyzed a pair of panties found in the guesthouse trash, for instance? There was no evidence of a sexual assault, the sheriffs maintained, and “the investigation revealed this item was likely related to a girls slumber party at the mansion in the days leading up to Rebecca’s death.”

 

[minazoe]

perhaps she was hiding in the garden for awhile, maybe she was able to lock him out of the house for a time. it is dangerous and not wise to be alone with a man where there is a bed in clear view or readily available...I definitely think that he thought his brother was dumping her...so she was now fair game...I wonder what time she died. Does anyone know? I can't remember if they were able to get an accurate time after they left her just laying there for hours on end.
Rebecca was going to be a stay at home girlfriend and she lost everything because of Max's accident, including her life.

after what happened with Max she instantly lost her status. I feel there is a lot of racism involved imo..I just feel it. There are many men who have a fetish for beautiful asian women. I'm sure he always wanted whatever his brother had.
he felt entitled to her sexually. He also was filled with rage and hatred over Max.

why would Rebecca humiliate herself in this manner? it's not believable to me. mOO

 

[Seattle1]

I listened to Tricia's YT episode from a couple weeks ago features guest Ginger Jeffries (podcast Operation Dragonfly), and I started recalling a few things I'd forgotten about Adam and want to park them here.

• He took Ambien the night RZ was murdered.
• He was communicating with investigator reporter Caitlin Rother (San Diego Union Tribune) around 2018-20 when she was researching her book and she witnessed a hostile side of Adam.
• Adam's phone and/or phone records were never looked at by SDSO.

True crime author dives into the death of Rebecca Zahau

Investigative journalist's book released nearly 10 years after death in Coronado.

www.cbs8.com

 

[ilovewings]

I listened to Tricia's YT episode from a couple weeks ago features guest Ginger Jeffries (podcast Operation Dragonfly), and I started recalling a few things I'd forgotten about Adam and want to park them here.

• He took Ambien the night RZ was murdered.
• He was communicating with investigator reporter Caitlin Rother (San Diego Union Tribune) around 2018-20 when she was researching her book and she witnessed a hostile side of Adam.
• Adam's phone and/or phone records were never looked at by SDSO.

True crime author dives into the death of Rebecca Zahau

Investigative journalist's book released nearly 10 years after death in Coronado.

www.cbs8.com

Thank you for that information: Just because he said he took Ambien doesn't mean he actually took --Is Gore still the sherriff?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I think those are her underpants. was her DNA on them? so okay she is a vulnerable mess, he is a mess too over the baby. So she has picked him up at the AP, she has settled him in at the Guest house and this is where he makes his move. perhaps there is a moment of mutual attraction, perhaps not. Something happens where R's underwear is removed. Or they were taken and disposed of later after her death as a token and then disposed of.

she may have been raped or attacked in the guest house. she ran to the main house where she was confronted again.
she either took a shower to wash off the rape or she was forced to. I do believe she was raped or almost raped.

He couldn't leave her to rat him out...I think a whole lot of holy hell broke loose in that house followed by an insane
attempt to cover up the whole thing. totally overboard. Almost like a movie. I cannot believe no one has come forward to confirm his violent personality. mOO

I think RZ was totally committed to her bf. I think the attraction was absolutely only one way, and after she picked him up from the airport and they arrived at the residence, he attempted SA. And that is what caused him to silence her by murdering her. MOO

 

[Betty P]

I listened to Tricia's YT episode from a couple weeks ago features guest Ginger Jeffries (podcast Operation Dragonfly), and I started recalling a few things I'd forgotten about Adam and want to park them here.

• He took Ambien the night RZ was murdered.
• He was communicating with investigator reporter Caitlin Rother (San Diego Union Tribune) around 2018-20 when she was researching her book and she witnessed a hostile side of Adam.
• Adam's phone and/or phone records were never looked at by SDSO.

True crime author dives into the death of Rebecca Zahau

Investigative journalist's book released nearly 10 years after death in Coronado.

www.cbs8.com

So much evidence was ignored in this murder investigation. We used to joke that SDSO was allowing JS to run the investigation. The casual excuse for finding women's underwear in Adam's room. Telling police they didn't need to investigate everyone's phone records, etc. I can't think of another case I've followed here where the victim's boyfriend was allowed to call the shots in her death investigation.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for that information: Just because he said he took Ambien doesn't mean he actually took --Is Gore still the sherriff?

No! RZ's brother-in-law was also on Tricia's episode and he said the new Sheriff is Kelly Martinez. He also thinks the best thing she could do for him and the family is to hand over the entire case file to the FBI. Seems to me Gore simply left too much bad energy at the department for this case. JMO

Kelly A. Martinez, Sheriff | San Diego County Sheriff

 

[Seattle1]

12/19/23 --

New information about the Rebecca Zahau case from podcast Operation Dragonfly​

 

[ilovewings]

So much evidence was ignored in this murder investigation. We used to joke that SDSO was allowing JS to run the investigation. The casual excuse for finding women's underwear in Adam's room. Telling police they didn't need to investigate everyone's phone records, etc. I can't think of another case I've followed here where the victim's boyfriend was allowed to call the shots in her death investigation.

I wouldn't even call what the police did an 'investigation"- because they really didn't do anything that approximates a thorough investigation. There is no doubt in my mind that the Shaknai family influenced this so-called investigation and we see the result. This case is a travesty of justice.