Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #1

[JeannaT]

Im a family law attorney who deals wth child care costs or the lack thereof in separating families on a daily basis, as part of support calculations. I've never seen a SAHM or SAHD have their kids in daycare. Not once. Because childcare is super expensive and when one parent isn't working, the cost is prohibitive. In fact, that's the reason many parents decide one parent will stay home- because child care costs are so expensive they actually cancel out the second income in many cases. So it's not at all normal or common or more than extremely rare, IMO.

That being said, maybe she wasn't a full-time SAHM. Or maybe she just use childcare as a babysitter for a couple hours now and then when she needed to get things done. That's different.

Either way, I don't know how it's relevant to her disappearance. Are people suggesting she couldn't manage her kids or something and wanted to be away from them? Because by all immediate accounts, this woman lived for them and would never have left them. Nobody hesitated saying that.

I'm struggling with this too. Not casting aspersions, just saying it's an indicator - if it's true that she was unemployed and had her kids in full time day care - it's an indication that she wasn't a happy full time stay at home mom. I really don't see how it can be looked at any differently - if she was really "all about her children" they wouldn't be in full time day care while she stayed home. Barring health issues, of course.

And to me, that's a critical point that could make it possible that she left.

Sometimes, the way people describe people they love is really how they describe themselves, IMHO. Someone who says about a dearly beloved woman that "she's all about her kids, she's a hands on mother" is really about themselves, and their life, not hers.

 

[steelman]

I think this lady got snatched right off the street by a person(s) who knew her regular pattern and habits.

This is what predators do, they lay in wait and pounce when the time is right. They can be extraordinarily strategic and patient, as I've noticed in other cases. They also use tricks and ploys to snare unsuspecting victims.

Stranger on stranger crimes are the hardest ones to solve, especially without the benefit of surveillance video, DNA, eye witnesses or a clear motive.

If her husband had wanted to do her harm, he would have picked a lot better location than a city street during daylight hours.

Not a popular theory ?.....................oh well. From everything I've read, her husband is just as much concerned and worried as the rest of her family. He's submitted to voluntary police searches, hasn't lawyered up, and is actively participating and searching in an attempt to find her.

 

[JeannaT]

I was a SAHM when my kids were young. And we could not afford 'real' daycare nor did I need it.

However, I did use a community preschool a couple of days a week-- i think it was from 9 to 2 pm, 2 days a week. It enabled me to help my husband with a side job he had, and to do errands without 2 toddlers and so when I was with them, it was quality time.

I really appreciated the break it gave me.

I did too. My kids, at the age of 4, went into a church based Mothers Day Out program that was Tuesday and Thursday, 9 to noon.

 

[JeannaT]

I think this lady got snatched right off the street by a person(s) who knew her regular pattern and habits.

This is what predators do, they lay in wait and pounce when the time is right. They can be extraordinarily strategic and patient, as I've noticed in other cases. They also use tricks and ploys to snare unsuspecting victims.

Stranger on stranger crimes are the hardest ones to solve, especially without the benefit of surveillance video, DNA, eye witnesses or a clear motive.

If her husband had wanted to do her harm, he would have picked a lot better location than a city street during daylight hours.

Not a popular theory ?.....................oh well. From everything I've read, her husband is just as much concerned and worried as the rest of her family. He's submitted to voluntary police searches, hasn't lawyered up, and is actively participating and searching in an attempt to find her.

Actually, I think that's probably the most popular theory there is. Occham's razor. The simplest explanation is usually correct.

 

[steelman]

Maybe mom put the kids in daycare so they could learn to socialize and interact with other children. Keeping them at home all the time and away from other kids might have led to the possibility of raising a couple of social misfits who didn't know how to interact with other kids.

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe mom put the kids in daycare so they could learn to socialize and interact with other children. Keeping them at home all the time and away from other kids might have led to the possibility of raising a couple of social misfits who didn't know how to interact with other kids.

Respectfully, I don't think anyone really thinks that. They might say that, because they don't want to be around their kids, but I truly don't think anyone actually believes that putting their preschoolers in full time daycare is beneficial to the children. Obviously, if they can't provide a rich environment for the children because of health issues or personal crises, then daycare is better for them at that time.

I believe that anyone who says daycare can do a better job than I can do of socializing my two preschoolers just doesn't want to do it and they're looking for an excuse. IMHO.

Not trying to start a SAHM/vsdaycare fight, I just think someone who doesn't work who has their children in full time daycare indicates a basic unhappiness with their situation.

 

[katydid23]

I'm struggling with this too. Not casting aspersions, just saying it's an indicator - if it's true that she was unemployed and had her kids in full time day care - it's an indication that she wasn't a happy full time stay at home mom. I really don't see how it can be looked at any differently - if she was really "all about her children" they wouldn't be in full time day care while she stayed home. Barring health issues, of course.

And to me, that's a critical point that could make it possible that she left.

Sometimes, the way people describe people they love is really how they describe themselves, IMHO. Someone who says about a dearly beloved woman that "she's all about her kids, she's a hands on mother" is really about themselves, and their life, not hers.

Do we know they were in full time daycare?

 

[gitana1]

I did too. My kids, at the age of 4, went into a church based Mothers Day Out program that was Tuesday and Thursday, 9 to noon.

Yes and many kids of stay at home parents go to preschool. That's different than regular childcare.

 

[JeannaT]

Do we know they were in full time daycare?

No. There's a lot still to be known.

 

[gitana1]

Do we know they were in full time daycare?

See I think we don't. What they're saying is childcare could've been a now and then thing or a specific, limited program or whatever. We don't know that she utilized actual childcare most of the time or even regularly. I don't consider using a babysitter a couple hours per week so you can jog and shop to be childcare in the classic sense.

 

[GigTu]

The family have said that neither of them are on facebook. Unusual nowadays maybe but imo not unusual enough to indicate anything untoward, it's not to everyone's liking

I don't have FB because I don't want people knowing my business. If you want to know how I am you can call or come over. And visa versa. I don't think it's unusual at all.

 

[GigTu]

If this has already been discussed, I apologize for rehashing. I've barely had time to attempt to keep up the past few days.

Given that SP was a bit of a gun totin' gal, what is the possibility that they communicated with folks who are similar to preppers. Perhaps some creeper has her in a bunker somewhere?

 

[marinthinker]

Allegations husband involved in woman’s disappearance rebutted
OrovilleMR News, November 8, 2016
http://www.orovillemr.com/article/NB/20161108/NEWS/161109776

This is the article by Damon Arthur that was in the Redding Record Searchlight.

 

[GigTu]

As another day goes by and LE remains silent, I can only hope it is because they have a suspect and are putting it together.

That's how they handled KB's case. I thought LE wasn't interested, when they were in fact being very sleuthy and absolutely doing everything possible to find her... and stopping a serial killer from a causing any more damage to this world.

You just never know.

 

[Heather301]

I agree. The only thing I'd love to know is who dropped the kids off that day. Knowing 100% definitively with no question that she was seen that day would answer some of my questions.

Me too! I think its a red flag if she didnt drop them off that day especially if she normally was the one to take them. No cameras to prove she went jogging only some neighbors that could be mistaken. It does make me think of the Peterson case. I wish we knew more facts. It seems odd that the cops havent stated the last person who saw her alive. If it was a daycare worker that would show that she was alive that morning. If not she could have been missing longer but I hope thats not the case because tgen the husband would have some explaining to do.

 

[AceDetective]

I think this lady got snatched right off the street by a person(s) who knew her regular pattern and habits.

This is what predators do, they lay in wait and pounce when the time is right. They can be extraordinarily strategic and patient, as I've noticed in other cases. They also use tricks and ploys to snare unsuspecting victims.

Stranger on stranger crimes are the hardest ones to solve, especially without the benefit of surveillance video, DNA, eye witnesses or a clear motive.

If her husband had wanted to do her harm, he would have picked a lot better location than a city street during daylight hours.

Not a popular theory ?.....................oh well. From everything I've read, her husband is just as much concerned and worried as the rest of her family. He's submitted to voluntary police searches, hasn't lawyered up, and is actively participating and searching in an attempt to find her.

There are no witnesses to any abduction, so we do not know, for sure, where it took place.

The phone could have been thrown there by the perp.

 

[suzyjackson]

There are no witnesses to any abduction, so we do not know, for sure, where it took place.

The phone could have been thrown there by the perp.

WE don't know where it took plave but I bet LE do based on the phone pings. We know the phone was on as the find ny phone was working so we know it was pinging the towers, imo it will be pretty obvious to LE from the ping pattern where an abduction occurred ir it did and they will also know if/when Sherri left the house to go jogging.

IMO neighbour recollections are likely to be accurate about when they saw her, they only had to remember back a matter of hours not days so much less likely to get their days mixed up if she was a regular jogger

 

[jashrema]

I think this lady got snatched right off the street by a person(s) who knew her regular pattern and habits.

This is what predators do, they lay in wait and pounce when the time is right. They can be extraordinarily strategic and patient, as I've noticed in other cases. They also use tricks and ploys to snare unsuspecting victims.

Stranger on stranger crimes are the hardest ones to solve, especially without the benefit of surveillance video, DNA, eye witnesses or a clear motive.

If her husband had wanted to do her harm, he would have picked a lot better location than a city street during daylight hours.

Not a popular theory ?.....................oh well. From everything I've read, her husband is just as much concerned and worried as the rest of her family. He's submitted to voluntary police searches, hasn't lawyered up, and is actively participating and searching in an attempt to find her.

The reason I'm keeping another theory open is that
1. I have not cleared the husband yet in my mind. I find his language alarming.
2. Everyone is assuming she was kidnapped on the street. Aside from her phone lying there..NO evidence of struggle, nothing. Sherri very easily could have gone for a walk/run and made it back home.
3. conflicting witness statements on time she was seen. That's what that is to..the last time she was seen, NOT the last time she was seen before she was kidnapped off the street because we have NO evidence other than the phone lying conveniently on the side of the road to suggest that.
4. LE thusfar have refused to commit to an abduction. It's only the family that says that

JMO

 

[verbonica]

The family have said that neither of them are on facebook. Unusual nowadays maybe but imo not unusual enough to indicate anything untoward, it's not to everyone's liking

Yes, it is sort of unusual for that age group. We have not heard anything about, nor are we allowed to sleuth, her ex-husband nor any other possible threats from her past (or his?). Have to think that LE can do those things.

 

[killer Chaser]

The link you posted doesn't work, and if it did, it is not an MSM source.

:wave:

Couldn't get it to work but you can put Tera Smith's name in search and it will take you their. http://www.redding.com/news/tera-sm...-unsolved-murders-ep-376801207-353401121.html