Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #21

[Blythe]

While we are flailing, I want to throw out somethings which I found telling (though what they may tell, I'm not sure). Maybe someone will agree and take it further. JMO, I find it possible that SP's unusual release might have been strongly influenced by the fact that she is a mother. The media clearly defined her as "supermom" and were fed the term, apparently, & again, MOO. It seems quite definite that she was a typical Mom, i.e. good and engaged with her toddlers in many ways. Whether she went above and beyond, whatever that might mean, to be an extraordinary Mom; has not, IMO, been evidenced. I mean no disrespect here just placing things in perspective. Also, many of us believe we have "supermoms". Perhaps, also, "supermom" simply refers, in fact, to the costume she was expecting to don for the run.

My point is, that, a message was sent to the abductors that this woman was a "mother", a "supermom", in fact. The message was sent, as if, perhaps, someone knew this would matter to the abductors. JMO and just a hunch.

Immediately after SP's release, the children's photo was proudly shown with their names and ages. Prior to that, the names of the children were not readily available. It appeared again, as if it were a message to the abductors, to prove this was "supermom" or certainly a mother whom they released. JMO, MOO

Any thoughts?

 

[bears10]

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I know people who operate only in cash. One fella messed up another guy's property, nearby, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars with some equipment he ran through it, while working on his own place. It finally went to court and the guy who was in the wrong, walked into the courtroom (To look at the guy you'd think he was poor as Job's turkey) and laid a brief case on the table, opened it up, asked if the other fella if that would cover it? The other guy checked it out, agreed, and walked out with a briefcase full of cash. It's not as uncommon as you think. There are people who do not trust banks, or keep money in safes at home, and at the bank. jic. Also, people will buy six figure and seven figure toys, for cash, off of people who sell them for a fraction of their cost, just wanting quick cash. It doesn't always have to go through a bank to get quick money or a lien. Another rich friend can help with that too. Wealthy folks tend to know other wealthy folks.

So true. Plus, you can only deposit a certain amount of cash before you raise red flags. And if you have that much cash, the last thing you want to do is raise a red flag bc there's a huge chance you aren't reporting said cash as income.

 

[Gardener1850]

Heads up everyone. Did a little tidy-up and some posts suggesting political motives have been removed. Discussion of race, religion, politics, orientation, are against TOS ... for very good reason. Websleuths cannot fix all the social injustices in the world, and veteran WSers know what happens when anyone brings the word "politics" into the mix. The discussion goes downhill very quickly.

If you wish to refer to possible motive in this case as simply a "hate crime", that's fine. Just don't let politics enter into the discussion.

Trust me !!

Sorry for the mess Sillybilly! It's easy to forget. :ashamed:

 

[TexMex]

Having high six figures in the bank would be common, but not in physical cash. You can have art, cars, etc worth six and seven figures, but good luck having a Brinks truck with bags of money arrive to pay for it rather than it being done through check or wire transfer. Getting a lien of sizeable amount would be with a check, like maybe you could get a title loan for a few grand where they'd be willing to pay you in cash but you're not going to go to some legitimate non-criminal lending company where they have hundreds of thousands of dollars just sitting around ready to hand out in physical cash to buy or put a lien on property. Maybe a loanshark would front you the money in cash, but not some legitimate business.

Safe deposit boxes. My dad has high six figures cash in safe deposit boxes.

 

[bears10]

Safe deposit boxes. My dad has high six figures in safe deposit boxes.

Or fireproof safes in your home or place of business. I just really don't think it's as uncommon as some people may think.

 

[yllek]

If I were to list the items below in compiling a list of reasons for the event

sex trafficking
sex (other)
gang initiation
random grab
jealous rival
race-related
send a message
settle a score
kidnap/ransom
cult/brainwash
drug operation

what other ones -- within TOS -- would there be to add?

Possibly, meant to look like a hate crime to advance a business-related goal.

 

[TexMex]

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I know people who operate only in cash. One fella messed up another guy's property, nearby, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars with some equipment he ran through it, while working on his own place. It finally went to court and the guy who was in the wrong, walked into the courtroom (To look at the guy you'd think he was poor as Job's turkey) and laid a brief case on the table, opened it up, asked if the other fella if that would cover it? The other guy checked it out, agreed, and walked out with a briefcase full of cash. It's not as uncommon as you think. There are people who do not trust banks, or keep money in safes at home, and at the bank. jic. Also, people will buy six figure and seven figure toys, for cash, off of people who sell them for a fraction of their cost, just wanting quick cash. It doesn't always have to go through a bank to get quick money or a lien. Another rich friend can help with that too. Wealthy folks tend to know other wealthy folks.

My cousins adult son keeps his money in a home safe. Guarded by dogs and guns. The father and son are Sr. and Jr. The bank in their small town accidentally put Jrs check into Srs account and since then he cashes his checks and puts the cash in his home safe because he doesn't trust banks.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

So true. Plus, you can only deposit a certain amount of cash before you raise red flags. And if you have that much cash, the last thing you want to do is raise a red flag bc there's a huge chance you aren't reporting said cash as income.

That actually goes to my point. Hiding money from the IRS is not a legitimate purpose where someone doing that could end up behind bars for tax fraud and as you say there's a very high likelihood that's what's being done. Someone having boatloads of cash is evidence of illegitimate activity, but I don't think that ransom offer was ever real anyway, but a minimum they'd be a tax fraud, if not a drug dealer or something else criminal.

 

[rsd1200]

Sorry for the mess Sillybilly! It's easy to forget. :ashamed:

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I think I did it yesterday.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Regarding the $100K, wealthy people are going to have their money in several banks, because the FDIC only insures accounts up to $100K. So if someone has money in a dozen banks, they could withdraw $9000 in cash from them without it being reported. Voila! $100K in cash!

Editing to add: I know my math isn't exact. Just roll with it lol.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I doubt that the Yolo police force is looking for her abductors; Because they probably feel that she was just dropped off in their town while the kidnappers were passing by to throw people off track.

Plus I doubt that Redding police are searching the Redding area since she was released in Yolo.

So imo.

This ongoing investigation to find the perps is actually at a stand still. Jmo

Because 2 small police forces with other crimes happening; Simply don't have the manpower to search for unknown females in a SUV; that has probably been ditched by now.

Jmo.

 

[bears10]

That actually goes to my point. Hiding money from the IRS is not a legitimate purpose where someone doing that could end up behind bars for tax fraud and as you say there's a very high likelihood that's what's being done. Someone having boatloads of cash is evidence of illegitimate activity, but I don't think that ransom offer was ever real anyway, but a minimum they'd be a tax fraud, if not a drug dealer or something else criminal.

I was not thinking along the lines of drugs, I was thinking along the lines of a businessperson. Anyway, authorities weren't going to be involved, so the donor wouldn't have anything to worry about in terms of getting arrested for money laundering, tax evasion etc. I might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, if so, I apologize. I was just pointing out that where I'm from it wouldn't shock me at all for someone to have that kind of cash on hand and accessible. I also agree that the ransom money never existed.

 

[rsd1200]

My cousins adult son keeps his money in a home safe. Guarded by dogs and guns. The father and son are Sr. and Jr. The bank in their small town accidentally put Jrs check into Srs account and since then he cashes his checks and puts the cash in his home safe because he doesn't trust banks.

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I've got a family member and their s/o who do not trust banks. Each walks around w/ whatever cash they think they'll need, on them, and they will use one of those self-loading cc, if they want to buy something online (they say that way they only lose that few hundred they put on the cc, if it gets lost or stolen) . They have a safe at home.

 

[Logansden77]

I doubt that the Yolo police force is looking for her abductors; Because they probably feel that she was just dropped off in their town while the kidnappers were passing by to throw people off track.

Plus I doubt that Redding police are searching the Redding area since she was released in Yolo.

So imo.

This ongoing investigation to find the perps is actually at a stand still. Jmo

Because 2 small police forces with other crimes happening; Simply don't have the manpower to search for unknown females in a SUV; that has probably been ditched by now.

Jmo.

Dexter: the abduction site occurred outside the city limits of Redding and falls under the jurisdiction of the Shasta county sheriff's office, not the Redding police department.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Regarding the $100K, wealthy people are going to have their money in several banks, because the FDIC only insures accounts up to $100K. So if someone has money in a dozen banks, they could withdraw $9000 in cash from them without it being reported. Voila! $100K in cash!

Editing to add: I know my math isn't exact. Just roll with it lol.

Actually, much less than that can trigger a SAR. Structuring transactions themselves to avoid reporting can also be a felony under the Bank Secrecy Act that can get you five years.

 

[rsd1200]

That actually goes to my point. Hiding money from the IRS is not a legitimate purpose where someone doing that could end up behind bars for tax fraud and as you say there's a very high likelihood that's what's being done. Someone having boatloads of cash is evidence of illegitimate activity, but I don't think that ransom offer was ever real anyway, but a minimum they'd be a tax fraud, if not a drug dealer or something else criminal.

bbm

I don't either.

 

[marinthinker]

Actually, much less than that can trigger a SAR. Structuring transactions themselves to avoid reporting can also be a felony under the Bank Secrecy Act that can get you five years.

Thanks. I had to look up SAR... Suspicious Activity Report.

 

[rsd1200]

I was not thinking along the lines of drugs, I was thinking along the lines of a businessperson. Anyway, authorities weren't going to be involved, so the donor wouldn't have anything to worry about in terms of getting arrested for money laundering, tax evasion etc. I might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, if so, I apologize. I was just pointing out that where I'm from it wouldn't shock me at all for someone to have that kind of cash on hand and accessible. I also agree that the ransom money never existed.

bbm
Me either and me too.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I was not thinking along the lines of drugs, I was thinking along the lines of a businessperson. Anyway, authorities weren't going to be involved, so the donor wouldn't have anything to worry about in terms of getting arrested for money laundering, tax evasion etc. I might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, if so, I apologize. I was just pointing out that where I'm from it wouldn't shock me at all for someone to have that kind of cash on hand and accessible. I also agree that the ransom money never existed.

OK, I guess we can come to some kind of agreement. The whole thing with this ransom seemed weird, like this person supposedly flew with cash (or when they arrived they withdrew a large sum from the bank). Of the people that do have ready cash money, I think a much smaller percentage of them would do what was described by CG where someone came into town with loads of cash (or that a bank would let them withdraw that much that quickly if they withdrew it after they arrived) and then after Thanksgiving that money was supposedly deposited in a bank. I think sort of by necessity there has to be at least one lie in the tale as those who deal in lots of cash aren't going to necessarily bring that much out of town (and keep it in their hotel room?) let alone then deposit this huge amount in a bank, so that is why I thought this either had to be from some sort of criminal enterprise or it didn't exist as the way the ransom was described just didn't sound as legitimate.

 

[rsd1200]

Actually, much less than that can trigger a SAR. Structuring transactions themselves to avoid reporting can also be a felony under the Bank Secrecy Act that can get you five years.

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Another reason people are beginning to avoid banks if they can. If you transfer money, from your own savings, into your own checking, six times within one month, the bank freaks out, do that twice in one year, and they go into full blown melt-down mode. I don't care if it's $100 or $100,000.