Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #24

[MassGuy]

I know I am in the minority here as I absolutely believe SP, and here's why.
She looks *very* young, and would be highly "marketable" given her youthful, innocent look, and attractiveness. She'd be a "high ticket" commodity for trafficking.

Second, she had signs of torture, and the beatings she sustained left bruises that were in various stages of healing. Her nose had been broken, and she had been branded. She was found shackled and with pain compliance restraints on her ankles.

As someone upthread mentioned, I agree that a ransom was quietly paid, and the family has been threatened in to silence.

Abduction and abuse of women, in general, is a national disgrace. As a woman, I send prayers to SP and her family, and pray that she is resilient and can overcome this horrific incident, and resulting trauma.

So many female victims aren't taken seriously. Fortunately LE has stated they have no reason not to believe SP, and the reason is....because the horrible truth (IMO), is that what was reported; is exactly what happened. I also think we only heard *some* of what happened to her. IMO, she has been scared in to silence. Perhaps she has dissociated from those memories; her mind protecting her.

Please join me in supporting female victims of violence, and supporting Sherri in her recovery. This case, and the response to it, speaks to the disregard for the value of women in general.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Can you give me one example ever, of a low risk victim being kidnapped and forced into trafficking?

I’ve never been able to find one, probably because that is not how it works.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Can you give me one example ever, of a low risk victim being kidnapped and forced into trafficking?

I’ve never been able to find one, probably because that is not how it works.

Why do you consider her low risk?

 

[MassGuy]

Why do you consider her low risk?

I’m not aware of her being involved in criminal activity, drug use, prostitution, or anything of the sort.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Police have no PROOF she's being deceptive. They have overwhelming cause to BELIEVE she is. From my POV, there's exponentially more to suggest a fabrication.

The thought that an old blog post that may not have been hers, so triggered a response of kidnapping, beatings, alleged indistinguishable branding, strikes me as unlikely.

I agree the blog post had nothing to do with her kidnapping, torture, broken nose, shackling, branding, or pain compliance restraints on her ankles.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I’m not aware of her being involved in criminal activity, drug use, prostitution, or anything of the sort.

Neither was Jayme Closs, Sierra Lamar, or a myriad of other women abducted. They just caught the eye of their Perp....unfortunately.

 

[Coffiecat]

I agree the blog post had nothing to do with her kidnapping, torture, broken nose, shackling, branding, or pain compliance restraints on her ankles.

Nope. Nor was it random. And it wasn't all a mystery to KP. The account of her horrific injuries are his well rehearsed words, much in the form of bodice-ripping dime store novel.

A motive is still absent. Potentially facing life in prison is enough incentive to ensure silence.

 

[MassGuy]

Neither was Jayme Closs, Sierra Lamar, or a myriad of other women abducted. They just caught the eye of their Perp....unfortunately.

The subject was sex trafficking, not low risk victims being abducted.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The subject was sex trafficking, not low risk victims being abducted.

While it could be the motive, we don't know for sure that SP was abducted, tortured, nose broken, branded, shackled, and had pain compliance restraints due to sex trafficking.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Was the brand.....
a message?
symbol?
blurred letters?

I’ve seen it described as all of the above but no picture. Wouldn’t you want these kidnappers found so it doesn’t happen again? So why not disclose the brand for possible identification? There is still a $10,000 reward for information, right?

 

[Coffiecat]

While it could be the motive, we don't know for sure that SP was abducted, tortured, nose broken, branded, shackled, and had pain compliance restraints due to sex trafficking.

Many of us don't know she was abducted, tortured, nose broken, at all.

Treated and released, nobody but devoted hubby <modsnip> tells of injury.

 

[Ontario Mom]

You're not the only one who feels SP created an elaborate story. However, what I feel is important is the police have stated that they have no reason to disbelieve her.



Sherri Papini Kidnapping Investigation Remains Open More Than 3 Years After Alleged Abduction

And I respect that of course. Yet I remain unconvinced.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Police have no PROOF she's being deceptive. They have overwhelming cause to BELIEVE she is. From my POV, there's exponentially more to suggest a fabrication.

The thought that an old blog post that may not have been hers, so triggered a response of kidnapping, beatings, alleged indistinguishable branding, strikes me as unlikely.

Police have said they have no reason to doubt the account given to them by SP. See link above.

I haven't seen anywhere where police have said they have overwhelming cause to believe she is being deceptive.

If you can post a link that supports that statement I would be interested in reading it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And I respect that of course. Yet I remain unconvinced.

jmo

And I respect your right to your opinion.

Personally I need more evidence that supports this being a hoax before I will entertain it as being the truth.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I believe the police doubt her story as completely truthful, although they probably don't have solid enough proof to charge her with anything.

MOO, but there are too many red flags, including the missing injury on the foot, the man in Detroit, the suspects looking like two latina arrested in September, the male DNA found on her, refusing the rape kit. The quick discharge (just a couple of hours??) from hospital. To me, some of the claims seem sensationalized by the husband - she looked emaciated already in pictures from Halloween, her hair was cut to shoulder length not 'hacked off', all the photos released to the public were old, some a decade old and glamorized (compared to more accurate recent candid photos of her). Her pattern of volatile behavior and fabrication in the past, which I think is relevant in this case.

I know some disagree but I think there was an attempt to sell a "beautiful, young, blonde supermom brutally kidnapped by evil brown sex traffickers" to the media which was not at all accurate. Perhaps she was abducted by known associates, perhaps she was beaten to send a message, perhaps some of what is claimed is true. The police are obligated to follow through on the statements made and pursue the evidence. The police have far more information than they have released publicly. I just really doubt the complete narrative her husband, in particular, was trying so hard to sell. To save face, in my opinion.

Here's a criminal expert's opinion on the case, I think Pat Brown brings up some good points:

Criminal profiler: Sherri Papini sex trafficking theory is ‘least-likely motive’ for kidnapping

 

[Ontario Mom]

Here's a criminal expert's opinion on the case, I think Pat Brown brings up some good points:

Criminal profiler: Sherri Papini sex trafficking theory is ‘least-likely motive’ for kidnapping

<respectfully snipped>

She made a lot of really good points.
I'm pretty sure every one of them has been discussed here over the years

 

[rosesfromangels]

Many of us don't know she was abducted, tortured, nose broken, at all.

Treated and released, nobody but devoted hubby <modsnip> tells of injury.

Here is an article where LE references the branding.
Captors May Have Tried to ‘Humiliate’ Sherri Papini by Branding Her, Cutting Hair Off: Sheriff | KTLA

There are other articles that have been posted over the past 3 years talking about the restraints, nose, and so forth. LE states they are holding info back to protect the integrity of the investigation. This is absolutely horrible, and she is lucky to be alive.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Coffiecat]

LE repeating KP's words, on MSM

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Neither was Jayme Closs, Sierra Lamar, or a myriad of other women abducted. They just caught the eye of their Perp....unfortunately.

Good point. It doesn't matter if a person is classified as being low risk or high risk.

A low risk person can be a victim of a crime, they are not immune to violence. JMO

 

[evilwise]

Do kidnappers typically get paid first, and then, after delay, release captives?

Yes, absolutely. The kidnappers are the ones who define the terms and it's no surprise that the delay would be especially long after there had been so much media and law enforcement attention to begin with, for the perpetrators to be sure that their terms (that the payment be kept completely secret) had been met.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes, absolutely. The kidnappers are the ones who define the terms and it's no surprise that the delay would be especially long after there had been so much media and law enforcement attention to begin with, for the perpetrators to be sure that their terms (that the payment be kept completely secret) had been met.

I absolutely believe this is what happened. Money was paid quietly, and SP and family are quietly trying to rebuild their lives.

Amateur opinion and speculation