Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #24

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  • #81
In addition to everything else “wonky” in this case, what still makes me think SP is lying is that she’s isn’t afraid to live in the same home, on the same street. I’m assuming she’s alone all day when KP goes to work and goes out alone to fetch her children from day care. I can’t fathom KP would allow that if he thought unknown kidnappers were out there lurking. I can’t fathom SP could function there under those circumstances either. Why go back there, even if the house is family owned? A tiny apartment a hundred miles away in an unknown location for safety and peace of mind would make more since if this story was true. I can’t get past that.
 
  • #82
Sounds good on paper.

Once again, look at OJ. He made tons of money under the table by selling autographs and the Goldman's never got a dime of it. JMO

He also got away with murder. SP is hardly OJ Simpson in any sense. They don’t compare.


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  • #83
He also got away with murder. SP is hardly OJ Simpson in any sense. They don’t compare.


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No of course not.

I'm just not so sure that any potential civil judgement would be paid in full. I'm also not sure that taxpayers are entitled to restitution in this case even if Sherri is found to have lied to LE.

JMO
 
  • #84
In addition to everything else “wonky” in this case, what still makes me think SP is lying is that she’s isn’t afraid to live in the same home, on the same street. I’m assuming she’s alone all day when KP goes to work and goes out alone to fetch her children from day care. I can’t fathom KP would allow that if he thought unknown kidnappers were out there lurking. I can’t fathom SP could function there under those circumstances either. Why go back there, even if the house is family owned? A tiny apartment a hundred miles away in an unknown location for safety and peace of mind would make more since if this story was true. I can’t get past that.

I was going to post a very sarcastic response to this post and after reading it I erased it.

Instead I'll ask a few questions and then make some statements.

Do you think that victims of violent crimes need to take extreme measures to recover?

Do they all have to move from their homes? Do they all have to abandon their children's needs?

Do husbands have to quite their jobs to watch over their wives 24/7? How could a family survive doing things like this?

If I was a criminal who abducted someone that escaped I would assume that the victim has taken measures to prevent that from happening again. Like getting a gun and having it with me at all times so if the people who took me return I would shoot them dead.

I wouldn't try to bury my head in the sand and hope I'll be safe. No, I'd make sure the bad guys failed to harm me ever again. JMO
 
  • #85
No of course not.

I'm just not so sure that any potential civil judgement would be paid in full. I'm also not sure that taxpayers are entitled to restitution in this case even if Sherri is found to have lied to LE.

JMO

I don’t think it goes to taxpayers per se. it goes to the LE agencies that wasted their resources on the search and investigation. The below links are some people had to pay restitution for faking abductions. Granted probably not nearly what it cost LE, but at least something.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-10-20/quinn-gray-reportedly-violates-probation

http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_ea1a5e0f-0083-50b0-9ce7-9ee26e8ec237.html

http://www.kswo.com/story/19102419/runaway-bride-sentenced-in-comanche-county

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kara-a...-false-tweet-about-intruder-faking-abduction/

http://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...cle_3ef3e6d4-c648-11e3-8e55-001a4bcf6878.html


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  • #86
I don’t think it goes to taxpayers per se. it goes to the LE agencies that wasted their resources on the search and investigation. The below links are some people had to pay restitution for faking abductions. Granted probably not nearly what it cost LE, but at least something.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-10-20/quinn-gray-reportedly-violates-probation

http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_ea1a5e0f-0083-50b0-9ce7-9ee26e8ec237.html

http://www.kswo.com/story/19102419/runaway-bride-sentenced-in-comanche-county

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kara-a...-false-tweet-about-intruder-faking-abduction/

http://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...cle_3ef3e6d4-c648-11e3-8e55-001a4bcf6878.html


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I'm more interested in California cases as that would be applicable to this case. What is allowed legally in one state doesn't mean it is allowed in all states.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen in California but it would be nice to research California cases to see what can be applied to this case. When I have more time I'll take a look.

Thanks.
 
  • #87
I'm more interested in California cases as that would be applicable to this case. What is allowed legally in one state doesn't mean it is allowed in all states.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen in California but it would be nice to research California cases to see what can be applied to this case. When I have more time I'll take a look.

Thanks.

Here’s a quote from local CA LE when a teenager faked her kidnapping. Can’t find the outcome, idk if it’s bc she’s a minor. But the last sentence of the quote IMO answers if restitution can be owed in CA for wasting resources.

“I could have had a task force on some drug activity or gang activity,” he said. “This is serious stuff. If you’re in trouble, we’ll expend all of our resources in trying to find you. But if it turns out to be a hoax, we’ll do it likewise and try to prosecute you and get restitution.”

https://kissrichmond.com/2003346/re...kes-own-abduction-parents-being-charged-cost/

I’m sure this isn’t going to be enough so I will try to find you a case with a published outcome [emoji846]


ETA - here ya go, a couple cases

https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/cac/Pressroom/pr2010/039.html

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/tn-gnp-salas-20100814-story,amp.html


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  • #88
SP was NOT sexually assaulted and so I just can't help but think that in her mind she chose her abductors as two women- women are less likely to rape a stunning seductively attractive woman than two men.

And Latinos -wow this for me is hard to swallow - How does she know they are Latino - I have friends that look Latino that are German and Italian this to me not remembering anything but pinpointing race seems incongruous.

- but women kidnappers and latinos - bambinos rule within these families - I don't see ruthless, heartless females taking a mum away from two young children.

It is what she is sure of that makes ME sure there is more up with this story!
 
  • #89
SP was NOT sexually assaulted and so I just can't help but think that in her mind she chose her abductors as two women- women are less likely to rape a stunning seductively attractive woman than two men.

And Latinos -wow this for me is hard to swallow - How does she know they are Latino - I have friends that look Latino that are German and Italian this to me not remembering anything but pinpointing race seems incongruous.

- but women kidnappers and latinos - bambinos rule within these families - I don't see ruthless, heartless females taking a mum away from two young children.

It is what she is sure of that makes ME sure there is more up with this story!

I guess if the suspects were speaking German or Italian Sherri would have described them as being such. She said they spoke Spanish so it's makes sense that she thought they where Latino.

The Spanish-speaking suspects also kept the head of 34-year-old victim Sherri Papini covered at times, limiting her ability to provide descriptions so authorities could draw sketches, Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko said at a news conference

http://abc7chicago.com/news/missing-mom-branded-with-message-by-abductor-sheriff-says/1630521/
 
  • #90
Here’s a quote from local CA LE when a teenager faked her kidnapping. Can’t find the outcome, idk if it’s bc she’s a minor. But the last sentence of the quote IMO answers if restitution can be owed in CA for wasting resources.

“I could have had a task force on some drug activity or gang activity,” he said. “This is serious stuff. If you’re in trouble, we’ll expend all of our resources in trying to find you. But if it turns out to be a hoax, we’ll do it likewise and try to prosecute you and get restitution.”

https://kissrichmond.com/2003346/re...kes-own-abduction-parents-being-charged-cost/

I’m sure this isn’t going to be enough so I will try to find you a case with a published outcome [emoji846]


ETA - here ya go, a couple cases

https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/cac/Pressroom/pr2010/039.html

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/tn-gnp-salas-20100814-story,amp.html


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Looks like restitution isn't a large burden if you screw with the locals. The Feds is another matter.

$20,196.72 to make a plea with them. I know people who have far larger student loan debt. Doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent or punishment to me.

JMO
 
  • #91
Looks like restitution isn't a large burden if you screw with the locals. The Feds is another matter.

$20,196.72 to make a plea with them. I know people who have far larger student loan debt. Doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent or punishment to me.

JMO

Lol $20k is actually on the higher end compared to the other cases I linked that weren’t in CA. Nothing I provide you is going to be good enough I suppose.


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  • #92
Lol $20k is actually on the higher end compared to the other cases I linked that weren’t in CA. Nothing I provide you is going to be good enough I suppose.


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I'm just trying to get a gauge of what Sherri is up against if she is proven to be lying about this case.

It seems that she dosen't face much in terms of money.

With the Feds she can see a lengthy prison term of five years for lying to an FBI agent. That's not much to laugh at. Unless they do crazy prison terms where you only serve a third of the original sentence if you behave. I need to look at that.

JMO
 
  • #93
This is a pretty interesting blog post written by an FBI special agent and an FBI crime analyst about adults who make false allegations of crimes. So many points seem to jump off the page to me in regards to SP. A little long but worth the read IMO. Sorry if it’s been posted before.


https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/false-allegations-of-adult-crimes


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Wow, thanks for posting this article! She certainly does check all the boxes, doesn't she?

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  • #94
I'm just trying to get a gauge of what Sherri is up against if she is proven to be lying about this case.

It seems that she dosen't face much in terms of money.

With the Feds she can see a lengthy prison term of five years for lying to an FBI agent. That's not much to laugh at. Unless they do crazy prison terms where you only serve a third of the original sentence if you behave. I need to look at that.

JMO

You do not necessarily have to serve a full sentence in federal prison.

Source - my best friends dad was in club fed for white collar crime and did not serve his full term. Hope that is an okay source since I don’t have a link for you.


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  • #95
Wow, thanks for posting this article! She certainly does check all the boxes, doesn't she?

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And this line here from the "Possible Clues" section:

"make the allegation after a similar crime received publicity (suggesting modeling or a copycat motive in which the similarity to the publicized crime offers credibility)"

SP's friend in high school disappeared while going for a jog in the same general area.
 
  • #96
This is a pretty interesting blog post written by an FBI special agent and an FBI crime analyst about adults who make false allegations of crimes. So many points seem to jump off the page to me in regards to SP. A little long but worth the read IMO. Sorry if it’s been posted before.


https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/false-allegations-of-adult-crimes


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So much of this sounds like it was written about the SP case. Very, very interesting.

"A suspected false allegation requires a two-pronged approach—covert and overt. Of course, overt investigation proves necessary in the early phase of the case before officers identify the complaint as a false allegation. If the claim is legitimate, investigators need to identify and apprehend the offender. They should use all normal resources and carefully protect the reporting victim’s reputation.

The covert investigation focuses on establishing whether the case involves a false allegation crime. Keeping this prong covert helps to avoid prematurely accusing a legitimate victim of a false allegation, prevent derailing the overt investigation, and preserve valuable information for the subject interview. Officers must gather all possible details concerning offenders. Because false allegation perpetrators have serious life problems motivating them, the covert investigation quietly must identify which issues trouble the individual. This type of information proves crucial during the interview process. Investigators need to examine offenders’ personal relationships, employment situation, finances, past criminal history, and other areas of their life to identify any indication of abnormal stress.

Additionally, the covert investigation determines if the offender has made other false allegations or crime reports. Officers also should check with local emergency rescue departments or hospital emergency rooms to discover any false injury or illness reports made by the individual. As the covert investigation progresses, the lead investigator responsible for the overall coordination of the case should receive all information."

 
  • #97
For SP to face federal charges for lying to an FBI agent, I believe she would have had to lie directly to that agent. We don't know if the FBI ever interviewed her. Casey Anthony was interviewed by the FBI, but I don't think she was charged with, or convicted of, lying to the federal government.
 
  • #98
In addition to everything else “wonky” in this case, what still makes me think SP is lying is that she’s isn’t afraid to live in the same home, on the same street. I’m assuming she’s alone all day when KP goes to work and goes out alone to fetch her children from day care. I can’t fathom KP would allow that if he thought unknown kidnappers were out there lurking. I can’t fathom SP could function there under those circumstances either. Why go back there, even if the house is family owned? A tiny apartment a hundred miles away in an unknown location for safety and peace of mind would make more since if this story was true. I can’t get past that.

Two weeks ago as I was driving, two deer ran out in the road. One of them smashed into my SUV, causing significant damage. It's fixed, and I was not hurt. But I will not take that stretch of road in the dark any more because of that. I took it by mistake yesterday, and I was SO CAREFUL and watchful.

And this is nothing compared to an abduction for 22 days, where the perpetrators could strike again at any time. You would think, even if SP is brave enough to stay, that KP would want his family far away for safety.
 
  • #99
So much of this sounds like it was written about the SP case. Very, very interesting.

"A suspected false allegation requires a two-pronged approach—covert and overt. Of course, overt investigation proves necessary in the early phase of the case before officers identify the complaint as a false allegation. If the claim is legitimate, investigators need to identify and apprehend the offender. They should use all normal resources and carefully protect the reporting victim’s reputation.

The covert investigation focuses on establishing whether the case involves a false allegation crime. Keeping this prong covert helps to avoid prematurely accusing a legitimate victim of a false allegation, prevent derailing the overt investigation, and preserve valuable information for the subject interview. Officers must gather all possible details concerning offenders. Because false allegation perpetrators have serious life problems motivating them, the covert investigation quietly must identify which issues trouble the individual. This type of information proves crucial during the interview process. Investigators need to examine offenders’ personal relationships, employment situation, finances, past criminal history, and other areas of their life to identify any indication of abnormal stress.

Additionally, the covert investigation determines if the offender has made other false allegations or crime reports. Officers also should check with local emergency rescue departments or hospital emergency rooms to discover any false injury or illness reports made by the individual. As the covert investigation progresses, the lead investigator responsible for the overall coordination of the case should receive all information."


When I was done reading I had to scroll up and see when the article was written because it seemed WAY too molded around SP. Turns out it was written in 2012 but wow, the similarities between SPs case and the fakes described in the article are hard to ignore.
 
  • #100
And this line here from the "Possible Clues" section:

"make the allegation after a similar crime received publicity (suggesting modeling or a copycat motive in which the similarity to the publicized crime offers credibility)"

SP's friend in high school disappeared while going for a jog in the same general area.

I was thinking the DH case, and the two Latina women arrested for supposedly kidnapping men and forcing them to work on their weed farm or however you call it.

These were some of the things from the article that really jumped out at me:

Her false allegation tied up the resources of several state and local police departments, as well as the area FBI office. Significant media attention focused on the case prior to her confession. An artist’s sketch of the imaginary offender circulated.

Additionally, the covert investigation determines if the offender has made other false allegations or crime reports. Officers also should check with local emergency rescue departments or hospital emergency rooms to discover any false injury or illness reports made by the individual.

In most cases, the individual conducts preplanning, preparation, or staging of the crime scene.

BBM - neatly coiled headphones with strands of signature blonde hair anyone?

As the investigation progressed, Charles would not give a detailed statement about the incident and declined a polygraph test. The covert investigation in the case uncovered that he faced extreme personal stress due to a problematic marriage and several extramarital affairs.

This article quotes LE saying she can't give a complete, detailed statement - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...ll-in-kidnapping-california-mom-released.html

The offender may:

  • provide an allegation that lacks substantiating forensic, physical, or medical evidence and does not agree with laboratory findings.

SBM - male dna?

Although false allegation adult crimes tend to be the exception, rather than the rule, these cases present serious concerns to law enforcement. Investigators find them difficult and frustrating. Officers risk being accused of not treating crime victims properly by prematurely labeling their allegations as false or by being unable to resolve the case.
 
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